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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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Yeah Saddam and his sons were raping and murdering every girl ove 9.

so we can claim it is all about moral values and humanism
 
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A little birdie told me not to pay any attention to what you say, because Iraqi's know how to fly F-16's.

Can you provide empirical evidence to substantiate that?
 
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Yes, thanks to the current President it has been a waste.

Yes, I agree. Obama used his telepathic powers to force George W. Bush to invade Iraq. Pretty good trick if you ask me.
 
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Apparently you misunderstood the request... let me rephrase in a ducks and bunnies format:

What empiracal evidence do you have to support:

based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience

Uh Oh, a black helicopter is circling overhead now, I gotta go see if it's a duck delivery!
 
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Whats important here is that we blame Bush. And then use that to whip up the democratic base so as not to lose the Senate in November. We dont actually have to do anything about it.

Or:
What's important here is that we blame Obama. And then use that to whip up the republican base so as to possibly gain the Senate in November.
 
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A little birdie told me not to pay any attention to what you say, because Iraqi's know how to fly F-16's.

It's kind of hard to fight back when thousands of soldiers have been captured and the roads are lined with some of them being decapitated. The UN estimates 800K have now fled the country. They certainly are not fleeing East toward Iran. Nor West to the mess in Syria. Probably North to Turkey which has already been bombarded with refugees from Syria and South to Kuwait. Jordon already has an influx of those seeking refuge from Syria as well. It is sad to see this all unfold. And personally I see it due to this administration's failed weak foreign policies has embolden the despots of the world to move forward. It's a crying ass shame to see.
 
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Yes, I agree. Obama used his telepathic powers to force George W. Bush to invade Iraq. Pretty good trick if you ask me.

Obama's more powerful than that Texmex, he can control hurricanes over republican CPAC gatherings! He makes the earf move, like a messiah. :lol:
 
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based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience

Uh Oh, a black helicopter is circling overhead now, I gotta go see if it's a duck delivery!

So you have none. Thanks!
 
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It's kind of hard to fight back when thousands of soldiers have been captured and the roads are lined with some of them being decapitated. The UN estimates 800K have now fled the country. They certainly are fleeing East toward Iran. Nor West to the mess in Syria. Probably North to Turkey which has already been bombarded with refugees from Syria and South to Kuwait. Jordon already has an influx of those seeking refuge from Syria as well. It is sad to see this all unfold. And personally I see it as because of this administration's failed weak foreign policies has embolden the despots of the world to move forward. It's a crying as shame to see.

See how Bush's invasion of Iraq destabilized the whole region? Just to think, we went there for something that was never there in the first place, WMDs. such a shame.
 
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CNN now reporting that Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers are in Iraq fighting ISIS.

That should make for strange bedfellows.
 
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This whole thing is bad, very bad. I'm feeling very concerned about what's happening over there.
 
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Once again, I'd urge people to stick to the topic and cease the baiting or further action will continue to come
 
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See how Bush's invasion of Iraq destabilized the whole region? Just to think, we went there for something that was never there in the first place, WMDs. such a shame.
Correction, Bush was going on intelligence that the Congress almost unanimously supported as being truthful including John Kerry and Hillary Clinton. Though the WMD's didn't show up there was plenty of evidence that they were still making chemical weapons. And there was plenty of evidence Saddam was funding terrorist organizations while our men were vulnerable in Afghanistan. Stop glossing over what really occurred.
 
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See how Bush's invasion of Iraq destabilized the whole region? Just to think, we went there for something that was never there in the first place, WMDs. such a shame.

It doesn't help that President Obama IGNORED advise from the military experts that it was TOO SOON to pull troops out of Iraq and that they needed AT LEAST another year to take care of things over there.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Correction, Bush was going on intelligence that the Congress almost unanimously supported as being truthful including John Kerry and Hillary Clinton. Though the WMD's didn't show up there was plenty of evidence that they were still making chemical weapons. And there was plenty of evidence Saddam was funding terrorist organizations while our men were vulnerable in Afghanistan. Stop glossing over what really occurred.
Aluminum tubes which were no longer usable.

Nothing to make ICBM's with, nothing to produce a mushroom cloud. How's that for gloss?
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Correction, Bush was going on intelligence that the Congress almost unanimously supported as being truthful including John Kerry and Hillary Clinton. Though the WMD's didn't show up there was plenty of evidence that they were still making chemical weapons. And there was plenty of evidence Saddam was funding terrorist organizations while our men were vulnerable in Afghanistan. Stop glossing over what really occurred.

Yes, Congressional authorization for use of force in Iraq includes several reasons for that action including Saddam's destabilization of the region, his sponsorship of international terrorists and his payments for suicide bombings, his used of nerve gas on his own people and the overall treatment of the Kurds an Shia, attacks on US aircraft, an attempt to assassainate George HW Bush, and so on. All of that was taken almost verbatum from the Iraq Regime Change law signed by Bill Clinton.
 
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None of this blame does anything to help anyone. We were already there when Obama took office as President. He is SUPPOSED to be able to handle the job. He should have taken the advice of the people around him who know what they are talking about rather than being an arrogant . . . . and taking matters into his own hands, as inexperienced as he was. This was based on NOTHING but his own silly ideological beliefs, that many other liberals share, about "peace on earth." :roll:
 
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World war v Iraq invasion on false premises?

Thanks for that false dichotomy. In all cases there was a need to keep the region stabilized.
 
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It doesn't help that President Obama IGNORED advise from the military experts that it was TOO SOON to pull troops out of Iraq and that they needed AT LEAST another year to take care of things over there.

It takes time to remove troops and equipment, at least our exodus didn't resemble the Vietnam pullout, where the US dumped stuff into the sea and destroyed millions of dollars worth of equipment.
 
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Aluminum tubes which were no longer usable.

Nothing to make ICBM's with, nothing to produce a mushroom cloud. How's that for gloss?

Let's take a walk down memory lane shall we? There were several chemical weapon factories discovered where intelligence believed they were destined to be used against our troops. The threat of chemical weapons being used on our guys in the region through terrorist organizations Saddam was funding was real. It is why all the troops were equipped with special outerwear. Some of the intelligence was faulty ......some of it wasn't.

Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Let's take a walk down memory lane shall we? There were several chemical weapon factories discovered where intelligence believed they were destined to be used against our troops. The threat of chemical weapons being used on our guys in the region through terrorist organizations Saddam was funding was real. It is why all the troops were equipped with special outerwear. Some of the intelligence was faulty ......some of it wasn't.

Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered

Faulty, doctored intelligence.

Bush admitted there were no WMDs. Watch him stumble through this press conference.

 
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It takes time to remove troops and equipment, at least our exodus didn't resemble the Vietnam pullout, where the US dumped stuff into the sea and destroyed millions of dollars worth of equipment.

It takes time? I'm saying that we left too soon. Face it, President Obama does not really know what he is doing, and he is arrogant and ignores the advice of those who DO know, such as his top generals.

In the case of Iraq, the American goal has been to leave a stable and representative government, avoid a power vacuum that neighboring states and terrorists could exploit and maintain sufficient influence so that Iraq would be a partner or, at a minimum, not an opponent in the Middle East.

But the Obama administration has fallen frustratingly short of some of those objectives.

The attempt by Mr. Obama and his senior aides to fashion an extraordinary power-sharing arrangement between Mr. Maliki and Mr. Allawi never materialized. Neither did an agreement that would have kept a small American force in Iraq to train the Iraqi military and patrol the country’s skies. A plan to use American civilians to train the Iraqi police has been severely cut back. The result is an Iraq that is less stable domestically and less reliable internationally than the United States had envisioned.

The story of these efforts has received little attention in a nation weary of the conflict in Iraq, and administration officials have rarely talked about them. This account is based on interviews with many of the principals, in Washington and Baghdad.

White House officials portray their exit strategy as a success, asserting that the number of civilian fatalities in Iraq is low compared with 2006, when the war was at its height. Politics, not violence, has become the principal means for Iraqis to resolve their differences, they say. “Recent news coverage of Iraq would suggest that as our troops departed, American influence went with them and our administration shifted its focus away from Iraq,” Antony Blinken, the national security adviser to Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., said in a speech in March. “The fact is, our engagements have increased.”

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/w...-last-months-in-iraq.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
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