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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Grant said:
Whether or not you approved of the war in Iraq the fact is there was a war in Iraq and it was America and their Coalition members who did the invading. Now over 4,000 Americans are dead and many more seriously injured and the present administration will unto all the previous good.
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Previous good--are you really saying that 4,500 dead soldiers is previous good--100,000 Iraqis dead--
tens of thousands of Americans injured in some way-- a huge new pressure on the VA--
and opening the Shiite/Sunni wound taking us back to 700 A.D.--I don't call that pretty good at all
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Grant said:
This poster described himself perfectly. He should be ignored.
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Absolutely. It's just funny that you described the poster who thanked you for saying he should be ignored.

FYI, I see our exchange is playing out as it always does. You make an asinine point. I refute it. I offering you a challenge. You run away.
 
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apdst said:
There's nothing to address when you parrot Left wing talking points.
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Ockham is a left wing poster?

That's funny.

It's embarrassing just how unable you are to mount even a half baked argument.

But, I'll give you one last chance to redeem yourself: show us where I said everything was "ok in 2008".
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You blamed Obama for Iraq for being in the situation that is now. You refused to blame Bush for anything wrong in Iraq. Between 2001-2011 Iraq was still a **** storm regardless of person in charge, yet you, as per your MO, refuse to lay any blame on the lack of planning on the Adminstration who made the case for war. Furthermore, you outright refuse to address my points about how in 2008 prior to the election, Iraq was still seeing daily bombings and blast shields and security checks were everywhere. You made the asinine post that Obama blew it AFTER we fixed Iraq despite the obvious fact that Iraq was never fixed in the first place. You also claimed that the insurgency was defeated by American forces when all we did was suppress it, largely with the help of Sunni local forces who did much of the COIN for us.

You said this:

apdst said:
That mess was cleaned up.
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You simply do not like being completely and utterly destroyed in this debate and having every argument you could use preemptively refuted.

We cleaned up the mess? If we did that...why did you run away from every example I cited that showed it was not on the day before the inauguration of President Obama?

When you can't, feel free to apologize for insulting me.
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Why? You were completely destroyed here and shown to be a giant partisan hack who doesn't give a crap about the lives of the soldiers in uniform.

Neither you or Grant are capable of winning an argument against me. Hence why you both resort to snipping rather than even attempting a basic rebuttal. Grant also tends to run away.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Didn't they abandon themselves? Take off there uniforms and run? But them again, this was the problem with invading in the first place. The hubris to think we could remake a country the way we wanted.
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Both Grant and Adpst are white washing Iraq. They are both arguing that somehow Obama blew it and that Bush had cleaned up Iraq. It's frightening how their rabid partisan nature is causing them to essentially ignore history entirely. Adpst claimed that "we cleaned up the mess" despite the fact that bombs, kidnappings, murders were happening every day. Adpst has run from every argument I've made and gone so far as to argue that Ockham is a left wing poster. Yes, Ockham. Grant is just pretending my posts don't exist.
 
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Grant said:
You should spend less time guessing and more time educating yourself.
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This amusing coming from someone who totally failed to understand US-NATO doctrine in Europe between 1945-2000.

How about you lecture people on things you've demonstrated expertise on?
 
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LowDown said:
Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance



Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.
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Wrong. We should never have gone in, in the first place. Water seeks its own level. We can't run another nation. Hell, we can barely run our own. We're broke. Time to let Iraq handle its own affairs, if it can.
 
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Jack Hays said:
There would not have been many ambushes or attacks because we wouldn't have been doing the patrolling. Regardless how we got there, this was a victory now thrown away.:peace
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Yeah well, look who's doing the patrolling now, one fight and they laid their arms down and ran. :lol:
 
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JumpinJack said:
Wrong. We should never have gone in, in the first place. Water seeks its own level. We can't run another nation. Hell, we can barely run our own. We're broke. Time to let Iraq handle its own affairs, if it can.
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Man, you said it Jack!
 
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Boo Radley said:
He was then and now the better choice.
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Better than Hillary, but not by much.
 
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obvious Child said:
Ockham is a left wing poster?

That's funny.

It's embarrassing just how unable you are to mount even a half baked argument.



You blamed Obama for Iraq for being in the situation that is now. You refused to blame Bush for anything wrong in Iraq. Between 2001-2011 Iraq was still a **** storm regardless of person in charge, yet you, as per your MO, refuse to lay any blame on the lack of planning on the Adminstration who made the case for war. Furthermore, you outright refuse to address my points about how in 2008 prior to the election, Iraq was still seeing daily bombings and blast shields and security checks were everywhere. You made the asinine post that Obama blew it AFTER we fixed Iraq despite the obvious fact that Iraq was never fixed in the first place. You also claimed that the insurgency was defeated by American forces when all we did was suppress it, largely with the help of Sunni local forces who did much of the COIN for us.

You said this:



You simply do not like being completely and utterly destroyed in this debate and having every argument you could use preemptively refuted.

We cleaned up the mess? If we did that...why did you run away from every example I cited that showed it was not on the day before the inauguration of President Obama?



Why? You were completely destroyed here and shown to be a giant partisan hack who doesn't give a crap about the lives of the soldiers in uniform.

Neither you or Grant are capable of winning an argument against me. Hence why you both resort to snipping rather than even attempting a basic rebuttal. Grant also tends to run away.
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Insults and partisan talking poits aren't an argument. You've yet to say anything remotely close to expressing an opinion, other than you know it all and everyone else is stupid.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Yeah well, look who's doing the patrolling now, one fight and they laid their arms down and ran. :lol:
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It took The United States 230 years to build the finest fighting force in history and you expect Iraq to to do it in less than 10 years?
 
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obvious Child said:
Both Grant and Adpst are white washing Iraq. They are both arguing that somehow Obama blew it and that Bush had cleaned up Iraq. It's frightening how their rabid partisan nature is causing them to essentially ignore history entirely. Adpst claimed that "we cleaned up the mess" despite the fact that bombs, kidnappings, murders were happening every day. Adpst has run from every argument I've made and gone so far as to argue that Ockham is a left wing poster. Yes, Ockham. Grant is just pretending my posts don't exist.
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Stop altering my user name and the facts speak for themselves.
 
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Grant said:
Anyone who is interested in the goings on in the ME might take some interest in this. ISIS Threatens to Invade Jordan, 'Slaughter' King Abdullah
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Then on to Israel and Turkey. I'm guessing their grand plan is in that order. If they were to succeed in Israel they would be the defacto leadership of the Muslim world and their Caliphate dreams would be fulfilled.

There are plenty of Muslims who don't want this. Many are laying beheaded along Iraq streets right now. But there are enough people who do want this and are willing to behead those who resist that power will come easy to ISIS.
 
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Travis007 said:
I wish we had a man as decent as GWB as President today..
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Me too Travis.

He was honest and competent.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246]

dad2three2001 said:
Right, MORE CONservative nonsense? Let me guess, black people have supported the GOP for 40+ years now right? lol
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Now they're NOW supporting the party that Filibustered the 1964 Voting Rights Act.

They're supporting the party that came up with Jim Crowe, the party that supported Segregation, that fought forced integration and bussing.

They support the party behind the KKK.

They support the party thats responsible for places like Cabrini Green, Robert Taylor Homes, Magnolia Place in New Orleans and every inner city neighborhood in America
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Perotista said:
Not after desert storm. We were keeping him on a short leash. He knew that.
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That didnt stop him from operating a weapons program, or trying to work with terrorists. And I was assuming we had left at some point. Were we really going to maintain a no fly zone forever? Sadaam was evil, he was bound to do something evil eventually.
 
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JumpinJack said:
Wrong. We should never have gone in, in the first place. Water seeks its own level. We can't run another nation. Hell, we can barely run our own. We're broke. Time to let Iraq handle its own affairs, if it can.
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But what do we do about AlQaida?
 
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jonny5 said:
That didnt stop him from operating a weapons program, or trying to work with terrorists. And I was assuming we had left at some point. Were we really going to maintain a no fly zone forever? Sadaam was evil, he was bound to do something evil eventually.
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He really didn't have any air force left. But we kept flying over time and time again. Not to mention other methods.
 
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Grant said:
Relevant to Iraq? Yes, he did very well in Iraq both with his "Shock and Awe" campaign and introducing the first democratic election in the country's history. Recall all the proud people holding uo their purple fingers after they voted for the first time?

Here are a few of Obama's remarks during the election campaign. Obama Campaign Promises: Ending the Iraq War

and a great memory maker. Obama Sets Timetable for Iraq Withdrawal, Calling It Part of Broader Middle East Strategy
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My Lord, you're worse than an Obama-bot when it comes to Republicans. If you call what happened in Iraq "doing well," you are utterly disconnected from reality.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246]

rocket88 said:
Or maybe that it was a bad idea to go in in the first place....

Didn't Bush always say the goal was to have an Iraq that was independent and could defend itself? Thought I heard him say that.
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I don't recall Bush saying that we should leave too soon.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246]

Winter's coming, folks, if that caliphate is allowed to complete.

Liberals are fooling themselves, as they so often do.
 
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