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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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Jesus, do you have any working knowledge at all of what happened?

Iraq was in the middle of a multiple front civil war. What turned the tide was not American troops but the Sunni Awakening Councils which essentially separated the fish from the water. If you had ANY understanding of COIN, which you obviously do not, you would have credited them, and not American forces with success. Your asinine comment is saying the British forces via brute force defeated the Malayan insurgency rather than COIN operations with native forces. And you keep pretending that Iraq wasn't seeing bombings and attacks during 2008. Because you have 0% interest in anything but partisan hackery.

Why do you keep white washing Iraq? Why do you hate the noble men and women who died there that much?



Is that why we had bombings on the day American forces pulled out? Because no bombings happened at all when we had troops there? oh wait.... Your partisan hackery is beyond measure.



Because Iraq was just peachy in 2008 right?

Thanks for proving my point. You only care about sticking things to Democrats and pretending everything was fine when a Republican was in power. More proof you don't give a **** about the lives of people in uniform.

Tell me, how would you have convinced the Iraqis to drop their requirement for Judicial Jurisdiction? Let's see if you can for once come up with a constructive argument. I bet you can't.

The insurgency was defeated by American forces during the offensive. If youll notice, ISIS isn't a local force unit.
 
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The insurgency was defeated by American forces during the offensive. If youll notice, ISIS isn't a local force unit.

Saying the same thing over and over again and refusing to address rebuttals suggests you have no actual working argument. But thanks for admitting you have zero understanding of what actually happened in Iraq.

Furthermore, total and complete failure to address the SOFA issue suggests you have no understanding of it and only seek to complain.
 
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They militants are taking Iraq faster than we did.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Saying the same thing over and over again and refusing to address rebuttals suggests you have no actual working argument. But thanks for admitting you have zero understanding of what actually happened in Iraq.

Furthermore, total and complete failure to address the SOFA issue suggests you have no understanding of it and only seek to complain.

Personal attacks are even less effective.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

They militants are taking Iraq faster than we did.

ISIS isn't playing by the rules and the Iraqis know it.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Personal attacks are even less effective.

I've already demonstrated that you effectively know nothing about Iraq. Your constantly refusals to even acknowledge my points is proof of that.

I've already demonstrated you are solely here to bash Obama. Your constantly refusal to address the SOFA argument is proof of that.

I've already demonstrated you have no knowledge of COIN. You refusal to address that is proof of that.

I've already demonstrated that you are white washing 2003-2008 Iraq. Your claims that Obama was the cause of the problems and your complete avoidance of all points showing that Iraq was a complete mess from 2001-2011 is proof of that.

What more do you want? More demonstration that you have no knowledge of this topic entirely?

You are completely unable to address anything I've said in any non-raging partisan hack way period.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

I've already demonstrated that you effectively know nothing about Iraq. Your constantly refusals to even acknowledge my points is proof of that.

I've already demonstrated you are solely here to bash Obama. Your constantly refusal to address the SOFA argument is proof of that.

I've already demonstrated you have no knowledge of COIN. You refusal to address that is proof of that.

I've already demonstrated that you are white washing 2003-2008 Iraq. Your claims that Obama was the cause of the problems and your complete avoidance of all points showing that Iraq was a complete mess from 2001-2011 is proof of that.

What more do you want? More demonstration that you have no knowledge of this topic entirely?

You are completely unable to address anything I've said in any non-raging partisan hack way period.

You haven't said anything, other than the usual Leftist talking points, then dare to call ME a partisan hack?
 
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You haven't said anything, other than the usual Leftist talking points, then dare to call ME a partisan hack?

And that kids, is the smoking gun.

Apparently to Adpst, Iraq in 2008 was a paradise of security.

There's not much more to be said to someone who's operating on a foundation completely detached from reality on this topic.

I guess you think Ockam is a leftist then? Because he agrees with my position of the SOFA?

Let's see just how tangled up your beliefs really are.
 
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Any educated word on ISIS' troop numbers, armament, or organization? Are the official estimates off?

I mean... They're not a professional army, and they're don't have the backing of a nation state behind them (as far as I'm aware, anyway). It seems odd that they'd be able to make this kind of head way so quickly, especially against a relatively well-supplied national army with heavily armored units and air power at its disposal.

Are the Iraqis simply not putting up a fight? Is the local population rising up to support the invaders?

Something about this just doesn't seem right. They've basically taken half the damn country.

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I've read there are anywhere from 800 to 10,000 ISIS troops in Iraq. Apparently they started out affiliated with Al Qaeda but at some point they became too extreme even for them. Of course that might be an exaggeration to scare the enemy....which is something Saddam used to do.

The latest I've heard is that ISIS are the Bath Sunnis that were purged from the government and Iraqi Army by Paul Brener. But a lot of them are probably escapes from Abu Graib and other prisons in Iraq.....

Abu Ghraib Prison Break: Hundreds Of Detainees, Including Senior Al Qaeda Members, Escape Facility


Maliki made lots of promises to the US to integrate the Sunni back into the government but never did....so a lot of this is his fault, too. Aside from the invasion itself it was a huge mistake not to include the Sunni in the rebuilding of Iraq and now it's coming back to haunt.

Considering how well organized the ISIS is (they even have accountants) and how well the troops are trained and equipped and the pace at which they are taking over some of the cities is just too coincidental for their leaders to not be the purged Bath party and military members. I suspect they have a lot of sympathizers inside Iraq including in the Iraq military. Which might explain why they didn't put up much of a fight before they retreated.

Imo, this might be the beginning of a sectarian civil war that was in the making long ago when the French and British arbitrarily drew up the countries boundaries without consideration of the sectarian tribes or culture that existed there. It could be a short war because the sects have pretty much already segregated themselves over the last ten years. Or it could be a long drawn out bloody war especially if Iran gets involved, if they aren't already. But either way, I think Iraq is going to get carved up into smaller states no matter what and might even include Syria....and the US should stay out of it other than to provide diplomatic and humanitarian aide and let just history take its course.
 
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Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

And that kids, is the smoking gun.

Apparently to Adpst, Iraq in 2008 was a paradise of security.

There's not much more to be said to someone who's operating on a foundation completely detached from reality on this topic.

I guess you think Ockam is a leftist then? Because he agrees with my position of the SOFA?

Let's see just how tangled up your beliefs really are.

Putting words in my mouth isn't going to imprive you're already untenable position.
 
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What does ANY of that mean? Oh right, Wallace got 12% of the votes, mainly in the Southern (CONservatives) states

Way to conflate CONservatives with GOP though, like your Sharpton link :(

I'm not surprised that you couldn't understand what it meant. All you had to do was scroll down.
 
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Putting words in my mouth isn't going to imprive you're already untenable position.

Okay. Anyone can read my posts and see just how struggling you are. Nothing is stopping them from seeing you refuse to address point after point after point and engage in white washing of Iraq that was experiencing bombings in 2008 when you claim everything was okay. The thread is public and your terribad arguments are outside of the editing period.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Okay. Anyone can read my posts and see just how struggling you are. Nothing is stopping them from seeing you refuse to address point after point after point and engage in white washing of Iraq that was experiencing bombings in 2008 when you claim everything was okay. The thread is public and your terribad arguments are outside of the editing period.

There's nothing to address when you parrot Left wing talking points. But, I'll give you one last chance to redeem yourself: show us where I said everything was "ok in 2008".

When you can't, feel free to apologize for insulting me.
 
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Putting words in my mouth isn't going to imprive you're already untenable position.
This poster described himself perfectly. He should be ignored.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Or, there isn't much to gain. If Iraqis can't defend themselves now, when? At some point this has to be up to the Iraqis.

So you feel that abandoning Iraq to Al Qaeda is not important? That it won't effect America's long term interests?
 
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No, of course it wasn't, which seems to come as a surprise to you.

So the question is, who is dumber, this President and his VP, or their dedicated followers? Watch Joe Biden Call Iraq "One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" | The Daily Caller

Glad to see you conflating Korean war (UN backed) with Iraq (NOT UN backed)

You are blaming Biden/Obama because Bush got US into a war on false premises? Seriously?


Biden: "I am very optimistic about Iraq. "

KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS RIGHT?

President George W. Bush addresses sailors during the "Mission Accomplished" speech,

Video rewind: Bush's 'Mission Accomplished' | HLNtv.com
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

I'm not surprised that you couldn't understand what it meant. All you had to do was scroll down.

Right, MORE CONservative nonsense? Let me guess, black people have supported the GOP for 40+ years now right? lol
 
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So you feel that abandoning Iraq to Al Qaeda is not important? That it won't effect America's long term interests?

Didn't they abandon themselves? Take off there uniforms and run? But them again, this was the problem with invading in the first place. The hubris to think we could remake a country the way we wanted.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Didn't they abandon themselves? Take off there uniforms and run? But them again, this was the problem with invading in the first place. The hubris to think we could remake a country the way we wanted.

Whether or not you approved of the war in Iraq the fact is there was a war in Iraq and it was America and their Coalition members who did the invading. Now over 4,000 Americans are dead and many more seriously injured and the present administration will unto all the previous good. Of course this do-nothing policy will be to the detriment of America and world peace for years to come. It seems Obama really is on the side of Al Qaeda.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Right, MORE CONservative nonsense? Let me guess, black people have supported the GOP for 40+ years now right? lol

You should spend less time guessing and more time educating yourself.
 
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