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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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dad2three2001 said:
You will NEVER be honest. Got it. Rushbo is one of the leaders of the GOP....
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But not as much as Laura Ingraham and that Levin creeper on Cantor's defeat.
The GOP elites like Jack are still shell-shocked.

All they have is their abundance of "Obama" cards, as Cantor whined on about yesterday in resigning as Majority Leader.
One too many junkets to the Middle East for Eric on the taxpayer dime.
Remember that one when a bunch of his people did the naughties in a forbidden body of water ?
 
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obvious Child said:
You claimed the mess was cleaned up. That is obviously false. Rather than look at facts, you just assume because a Republican was in office that Iraq turned into the land of milk and honey despite on Inauguration day 2009, blast shields and security check points were all over Iraq. The change of Presidency did not matter. Iraq was not cleaned up. Nor was it ever. The pull out date had nothing to do with the lack of security. If your asinine claim was correct, we would have seen the bombings stop years before the pullout. You are, of course, wrong as you always are.



It's amazing how much you hate the 4,000+ men and women who died in Iraq. You dishonor their memories with your terribad claims. Just more proof that extremist Republicans don't give a **** about the lives of our men and women in uniform.
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The insurgency was defeated by American forces. If American forces were still there, none of this would be happening. Obama pissed on the grave of every serviceman that died in Iraq, when he gave the whole show away.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Very minor, it would seem.:peace
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I know, those pesky details like CONservatives ALWAYS on the wrong side of history...Invasion of Iraq, for example, while ONLY 60% of Dems voted against Bush's war of choice, Bet 98% of the progressive caucus did :)
 
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apdst said:
The insurgency was defeated by American forces. If American forces were still there, none of this would be happening. Obama pissed on the grave of every serviceman that died in Iraq, when he gave the whole show away.
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LOL, Yes, let's occupy the world. You signing onto get the GOP's to get a war tax for Bush's war of choice on those 'job creators'?
 
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rocket88 said:
So are his policies relevant or not?
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Relevant to Iraq? Yes, he did very well in Iraq both with his "Shock and Awe" campaign and introducing the first democratic election in the country's history. Recall all the proud people holding uo their purple fingers after they voted for the first time?

Here are a few of Obama's remarks during the election campaign. Obama Campaign Promises: Ending the Iraq War

and a great memory maker. Obama Sets Timetable for Iraq Withdrawal, Calling It Part of Broader Middle East Strategy
 
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apdst said:
The insurgency was defeated by American forces.
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Jesus, do you have any working knowledge at all of what happened?

Iraq was in the middle of a multiple front civil war. What turned the tide was not American troops but the Sunni Awakening Councils which essentially separated the fish from the water. If you had ANY understanding of COIN, which you obviously do not, you would have credited them, and not American forces with success. Your asinine comment is saying the British forces via brute force defeated the Malayan insurgency rather than COIN operations with native forces. And you keep pretending that Iraq wasn't seeing bombings and attacks during 2008. Because you have 0% interest in anything but partisan hackery.

Why do you keep white washing Iraq? Why do you hate the noble men and women who died there that much?

If American forces were still there, none of this would be happening.
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Is that why we had bombings on the day American forces pulled out? Because no bombings happened at all when we had troops there? oh wait.... Your partisan hackery is beyond measure.

Obama pissed on the grave of every serviceman that died in Iraq, when he gave the whole show away.
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Because Iraq was just peachy in 2008 right?

Thanks for proving my point. You only care about sticking things to Democrats and pretending everything was fine when a Republican was in power. More proof you don't give a **** about the lives of people in uniform.

Tell me, how would you have convinced the Iraqis to drop their requirement for Judicial Jurisdiction? Let's see if you can for once come up with a constructive argument. I bet you can't.
 
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apdst said:
The insurgency was defeated by American forces. If American forces were still there, none of this would be happening. Obama pissed on the grave of every serviceman that died in Iraq, when he gave the whole show away.
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American servicemen and women were stationed in Western Europe decades after WWII in order to maintain peace but left Iraq to its fate far too soon. You're right. Those who were killed and injured in Iraq, and now Afghanistan (which Obama was for), will have died for nothing. It is a lasting shame for the USA.
 
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Grant said:
Relevant to Iraq? Yes, he did very well in Iraq both with his "Shock and Awe" campaign and introducing the first democratic election in the country's history. Recall all the proud people holding uo their purple fingers after they voted for the first time?

Here are a few of Obama's remarks during the election campaign. Obama Campaign Promises: Ending the Iraq War

and a great memory maker. Obama Sets Timetable for Iraq Withdrawal, Calling It Part of Broader Middle East Strategy
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Bush set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq

Iraq and U.S. agree that all U.S. forces will withdraw "no later than December 31, 2011."

December 14, 2008

Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."

President Bush and Iraq Prime Minister Maliki Sign the Strategic Framework Agreement and Security Agreement
 
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obvious Child said:
It's amazing how much you hate the 4,000+ men and women who died in Iraq. You dishonor their memories with your terribad claims. Just more proof that extremist Republicans don't give a **** about the lives of our men and women in uniform.
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This is tough medicine, but his post needed it.
We should also not blame Nixon/Ford for the way we left Vietnam, a war that began with the other party, as well as IKE and Korea.

Too bad we've been fighting internally between parties over foreign entanglements since Vietnam.
To be a better web-site, this should be rule one, no more ****ing blaming on foreign affairs, a most difficult rule for all of us to observe .
 
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dad2three2001 said:
LOL, Yes, let's occupy the world. You signing onto get the GOP's to get a war tax for Bush's war of choice on those 'job creators'?
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He thinks you want to occupy the world, Apdst. These leftists seem to guess at their responses from some multiple choice board.
 
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NIMBY said:
This is tough medicine, but his post needed it.
We should also not blame Nixon/Ford for the way we left Vietnam, a war that began with the other party, as well as IKE and Korea.

Too bad we've been fighting internally between parties over foreign entanglements since Vietnam.
To be a better web-site, this should be rule one, no more ****ing blaming on foreign affairs, a most difficult rule for all of us to observe .
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The Korean War was a UN backed operation.
 
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dad2three2001 said:
LOL, Yes, let's occupy the world. You signing onto get the GOP's to get a war tax for Bush's war of choice on those 'job creators'?
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Occupy the world? There's need for that. We shouldn't have pulled out of Iraq, though. That's painfully obvious. The civilian casualties are going to make Operation Iraqi Freedom look like a bar room brawl on a saturday night.

It down right shameful how the Libbos are taking advantage of this to say "I told you so".
 
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Grant said:
He thinks you want to occupy the world, Apdst. These leftists seem to guess at their responses from some multiple choice board.
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Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."

President Bush and Iraq Prime Minister Maliki Sign the Strategic Framework Agreement and Security Agreement

December 14, 2008

Iraq and U.S. agree that all U.S. forces will withdraw "no later than December 31, 2011."

President Bush and Iraq Prime Minister Maliki Sign the Strategic Framework Agreement and Security Agreement

November 27, 2008


Calling the SOFA "another sign of progress," President Bush said in a November 27, 2008, statement, "The Strategic Framework Agreement sets the foundation for a long-term bilateral relationship between our two countries, and the Security Agreement addresses our presence, activities, and withdrawal from Iraq."

Statement by the President on Agreements with Iraq
 
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dad2three2001 said:
Bush set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq

Iraq and U.S. agree that all U.S. forces will withdraw "no later than December 31, 2011."

December 14, 2008

Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."

President Bush and Iraq Prime Minister Maliki Sign the Strategic Framework Agreement and Security Agreement
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Yes, a terrible mistake by Bush and one Obama should have renegotiated, if he had any balls or foresight.
 
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Finally these people can have the civil war they have wanted all along.
Leave them alone.
 
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apdst said:
Occupy the world? There's need for that. We shouldn't have pulled out of Iraq, though. That's painfully obvious. The civilian casualties are going to make Operation Iraqi Freedom look like a bar room brawl on a saturday night.

It down right shameful how the Libbos are taking advantage of this to say "I told you so".
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WHY did we invade on false premises again? Think keeping tens of thousands of US troops in country WITHOUT FUNDING IT OF COURSE (GOP way), will change the outcome? SERIOUSLY? lol
 
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Grant said:
American servicemen and women were stationed in Western Europe decades after WWII in order to maintain peace but left Iraq to its fate far too soon. You're right. Those who were killed and injured in Iraq, and now Afghanistan (which Obama was for), will have died for nothing. It is a lasting shame for the USA.
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This is wrong. The number of US forces stationed in Europe were largely tiny and scattered, especially after the 60s. US military doctrine in working with NATO was to ensure US forces in Europe in an event of a Soviet Invasion would tie the US to defending the Europeans by giving their lives. They were literally referred to as a trip wire by the Brass. They die, we commit. They're not defending ****. They were by US military doctrine suppose to die. We applied the same policy in Saudi Arabia. The troops themselves referred to their position as a "speed bump."

Do you have any actual arguments as to how you would have gotten the Iraqis to drop their requirement for Judicial Jurisdiction, or are you just going to complain without any notion of understanding?

I suspect...you're going to run. That's the outcome of every exchange we have.
 
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Grant said:
Yes, a terrible mistake by Bush and one Obama should have renegotiated, if he had any balls or foresight.
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Right, YOUR premise Obama


"and a great memory maker. Obama Sets Timetable for Iraq Withdrawal, Calling It Part of Broader Middle East Strategy"

Was TOTAL nonsense. Thanks for agreeing
 
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Grant said:
American servicemen and women were stationed in Western Europe decades after WWII in order to maintain peace but left Iraq to its fate far too soon. You're right. Those who were killed and injured in Iraq, and now Afghanistan (which Obama was for), will have died for nothing. It is a lasting shame for the USA.
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They were there decades to maintain peace? READ A DAMN HISTORY BOOK!!!
 
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NIMBY said:
This is tough medicine, but his post needed it.
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Certain people here are solely here to ding the other party. They have no use for facts. And it's disturbing how many of them frankly don't care about the body count.

We should also not blame Nixon/Ford for the way we left Vietnam, a war that began with the other party, as well as IKE and Korea.
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Vietnam though did help the Thais. So that wasn't entirely a waste. At least we didn't end up making our enemy the regional power house like we did in Iraq. And that was occurring before Obama was sworn into the Senate.
 
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Grant said:
Yes, a terrible mistake by Bush and one Obama should have renegotiated, if he had any balls or foresight.
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Tell me....where would you get the money to keep funding this adventure?

Were you willing to pay more taxes to fund an engagement for 50 years? I'm thinking no.
 
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apdst said:
The insurgency was defeated by American forces. If American forces were still there, none of this would be happening. Obama pissed on the grave of every serviceman that died in Iraq, when he gave the whole show away.
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Con game- first the insurgency was never defeated, bribed to lower the level of attacks, but never defeated. IF American Forces were still there it would be WITHOUT the Current regime's permission, and we would need a HUGE TAX INCREASE to afford the HUGE bonuses to get anyone to enlist, for the HUGE bribes continuing in the Sunni sector along with the HUGE cost of keeping an Army of Occupation in place.

CONs forget BushII had already pledged to remove US Troops by 2011 BEFORE he left office, so it was the CONs who signaled the Insurgents they just need to build their forces and wait for us to leave. It was BushII who pissed on the graves of the troops HE sent into Iraq....

Fact is BushII gave 'the whole show away' the minute he realized Iraq wasn't like Texas and would just buy his Neo-CON BS without a second thought. He spent the last part of his Presidency looking for a way out and leaving a crap fest for 'the next guy'.

But HE set the date for our leaving, mostly because the Iraq Government stuck a fork in us.... :peace
 
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notquiteright said:
Fact is BushII gave 'the whole show away' the minute he realized Iraq wasn't like Texas and would just buy his Neo-CON BS without a second thought. He spent the last part of his Presidency looking for a way out and leaving a crap fest for 'the next guy'.
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Bush gave the whole show away before the first round was fired. The Bush Administration did zero post invasion planning. Hence why the country was in such a mess after the invasion (to which Adpst pretends never happened). The administration officials years after openly admitted they did zero post invasion planning. It's no wonder that Iraq turned out to be such a mess when we had exactly zero working ideas about how to run a country that was degraded from years of sanctions and an invasion.
 
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We may have finally scared off the "Iraq was Paradise Before Obama Took Over" crowd.

It is quite scary how severe partisan behavior distorts one's memories of very recent history.
 
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