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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

That would include Lincoln, ya know.

PROGRESSIVE ABE? Stop conflating party with ideology, don't you know parties have switched several times the last 150 years?
 
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True, I've known for decades CONservatives have NEVER been on the correct side of ANY US policy that worked!
Cool ... so exactly how is Obama's Iraq policy working?
 
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I was in favor of a war tax after 9/11.:peace

Yet Bush/GOP gave US a second tax cut and then expanded Medicare.... But, if you are being truthful ( I think you are), kudo's to you :)
 
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PROGRESSIVE ABE? Stop conflating party with ideology, don't you know parties have switched several times the last 150 years?
Okay then...

Just let me know when you get the goalposts properly secured and maybe we can continue?
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Cool ... so exactly how is Obama's Iraq policy working?

His policy to invade a nation on false premises?
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Okay then...

Just let me know when you get the goalposts properly secured and maybe we can continue?


Reading issues? Or comprehension? I said CONservative policy EVER working as promised or GOP the last 40 years. I realize how ideology flipped!
 
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Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Are you saying that the 80% of Republicans that voted for it were wrong?

CONservatives, stop that nonsense. SOUTHERN members of Congress voted no, BOTH Dem and GOP (CONservatives, GOP base today right?). NOT Party that switched several times the past 150 years!

CONservatives were against it, Goldwater AND Reagan, to name two :)
 
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Reading issues? Or comprehension? I said CONservative policy EVER working as promised or GOP the last 40 years. I realize how ideology flipped!
So in other words you want to take credit for all of the good stuff while simultaneously distancing yourself from all of the bad stuff by selectively assigning the definitions?

Got it.;)
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

... so exactly how is Obama's Iraq policy working?
It's working out great if you're an insurgent.


P.S. Thanks for bringing this thread back on topic. Well done.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

It's working out great if you're an insurgent.


P.S. Thanks for bringing this thread back on topic. Well done


Apparently earlier I was a bad boy in that regard but I thought it was relevant at the time ... tangentially, anyway.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Apparently earlier I was a bad boy in that regard but I thought it was relevant at the time ... tangentially, anyway.
Well... the title of the thread is: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance. Apparently, according to some, Obama's Iraq policy is somehow not relevant to the discussion? lol.
 
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In House and Senate, greater percentages of Repubs than Dems voted for the 1964 CRA.:peace

NOTHING to do with CONservatives EVER being on the correct side of history huh?

CONservatives (think Southerners, today's GOP base, were 98% against the CRA of 1964, like GOPers Goldwater and Reagan (Goldwater because he was a true libertarin, Reagan fighting hard for the Southern Staters, IMO)..

NORTHERN GOPers voted for that Democratic thing!
 
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Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

So in other words you want to take credit for all of the good stuff while simultaneously distancing yourself from all of the bad stuff by selectively assigning the definitions?

Got it.;)

So you can't think of ONE policy the CONservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history either, like Iraq's invasion on false premises?

CONservatives stood with King George in 1776 (Torries), were the isolationists during both WW's, fought labor unions, labor rights, SS, Min wage laws, environmental laws, equal rights, Medicare, clean air/water act, etc
 
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NOTHING to do with CONservatives EVER being on the correct side of history huh?

CONservatives (think Southerners, today's GOP base, were 98% against the CRA of 1964, like GOPers Goldwater and Reagan (Goldwater because he was a true libertarin, Reagan fighting hard for the Southern Staters, IMO)..

NORTHERN GOPers voted for that Democratic ting!

The most important man in the Senate to pass the CRA was Repub leader Everett Dirksen of Illinois, a man who always described himself as a conservative. There were many others like him in both House and Senate.:peace
 
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No, now it's a mess!

Tell that to the 4,000+ men and women who died to make Iran the regional power house.

Iraq was the mess from the first day. You just have exceptionally poor partisan memory. Remember the rampant looting? Tell me how that wasn't a mess.

Your MO is to blame the Democrats for everything and pretend that Republican time was rainbows and butterflies.
 
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NOTHING to do with CONservatives EVER being on the correct side of history huh?

CONservatives (think Southerners, today's GOP base, were 98% against the CRA of 1964, like GOPers Goldwater and Reagan (Goldwater because he was a true libertarin, Reagan fighting hard for the Southern Staters, IMO)..

NORTHERN GOPers voted for that Democratic thing!

You're calling Democrats Conservatives, are you?

This is how Democrats try to disassociate themselves from their past, but they continue the same policies toward minorities as they did prior to the CRA.
 
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The most important man in the Senate to pass the CRA was Repub leader Everett Dirksen of Illinois, a man who always described himself as a conservative. There were many others like him in both House and Senate.:peace

Illinois? Oh right NORTHERN, Reagan 'considered' himself CONservative too right?


Dirksen's penchant for changing his mind during his days as a congressman was noted by the Chicago Sun-Times, which once noted that he had changed his mind 62 times on foreign policy matters, 31 times on military affairs, and 70 times on agricultural policies.

Nation: The Leader: Everett Dirkson - TIME


He was a leading "hawk" on the issue of the Vietnam War — a position he held well before Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson decided to escalate the war.

As President Johnson followed Dirksen's recommendations and escalated the war, Dirksen gave him strong public support, as well as strong support inside the Republican caucus, even as some Republicans advised him that it would be to the party's advantage to oppose Johnson.


In 1964, as Southern Democratic Senators staged a filibuster that ran 54 days to block passage of the Civil Rights bill of 1964 (see Civil Rights Act of 1964), Senators Dirksen, Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), and Mike Mansfield (D-MT) introduced a substitute bill and slightly weaker bill that they hoped would attract enough Republican swing votes to end the filibuster. The compromise bill was weaker than the House version regarding government power to regulate the conduct of private business, but it was not so weak as to cause the House to reconsider the legislation. After 57 days of filibuster, the substitute bill passed in the Senate, and then the House-Senate conference committee agreed to adopt the Senate version of the bill.

Everett Dirksen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BUT, I'M NOT TALKING INDIVIDUALS, I'M TALKING EITHER PARTY (GOP) OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS OR CONservatives as a whole, being on the correct side of history! DO YOU DENY CONservatives bloccked CRA in 1964? SOUTHERN CONservatives today's GOP base?
 
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Well... the title of the thread is: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance. Apparently, according to some, Obama's Iraq policy is somehow not relevant to the discussion? lol.

In fact it is a point that none of Barracks foreign policies are relevant, even if he has some. Whatever policies he might have are certainly not doing the United States any good.
 
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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance



Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.

Or maybe that it was a bad idea to go in in the first place....

Didn't Bush always say the goal was to have an Iraq that was independent and could defend itself? Thought I heard him say that.
 
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In fact it is a point that none of Barracks foreign policies are relevant, even if he has some. Whatever policies he might have are certainly not doing the United States any good.

So then you blame Bush? This would be a first.
 
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You're calling Democrats Conservatives, are you?

This is how Democrats try to disassociate themselves from their past, but they continue the same policies toward minorities as they did prior to the CRA.

I'm calling SOUTHERNERS CONservatives yes,is this not true?

The GOP and Dem party have flipped several times the past 150 years, you realize this correct?

Despite what Rushbo tells you, CONservatives were against freeing the slaves, civil rights, woman's rights, equal rights, etc

Conservatives Try to Rewrite Civil Rights History (Again)

The Republican Party that championed civil rights in the mid-to-late 19th century all but abandoned the cause in the beginning of the 20th, as white America turned away from blacks, and left them to suffer at the hands of segregationists and lynch mobs. Key GOP politicians (like President Taft) embarked on a campaign to wash the Republican Party of its connection to blacks, in order to expand its constituency in the white South.

Likewise, the same Democratic Party that advanced white supremacy throughout the same period—and into the New Deal—began to shift in the opposite direction.

Conservatives Try to Rewrite Civil Rights History (Again)


Conservatives Trying to Rewrite the History of Civil Rights

I can't recommend enough Jonathan Chait's rebuttal to National Review's attempt to rewrite the history of the civil rights movement to portray conservatives as its most ardent supporters:

It is true that most Republicans in 1964 held vastly more liberal positions on civil rights than Goldwater. This strikes [Kevin Williamson, the author of the National Review piece] as proof of the idiosyncratic and isolated quality of Goldwater's civil rights stance. What it actually shows is that conservatives had not yet gained control of the Republican Party.


But conservative Republicans — those represented politically by Goldwater, and intellectually by William F. Buckley and National Review — did oppose the civil rights movement.


Conservatives Trying to Rewrite the History of Civil Rights | Mother Jones
 
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Illinois? Oh right NORTHERN, Reagan 'considered' himself CONservative too right?


Dirksen's penchant for changing his mind during his days as a congressman was noted by the Chicago Sun-Times, which once noted that he had changed his mind 62 times on foreign policy matters, 31 times on military affairs, and 70 times on agricultural policies.

Nation: The Leader: Everett Dirkson - TIME


He was a leading "hawk" on the issue of the Vietnam War — a position he held well before Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson decided to escalate the war.

As President Johnson followed Dirksen's recommendations and escalated the war, Dirksen gave him strong public support, as well as strong support inside the Republican caucus, even as some Republicans advised him that it would be to the party's advantage to oppose Johnson.


In 1964, as Southern Democratic Senators staged a filibuster that ran 54 days to block passage of the Civil Rights bill of 1964 (see Civil Rights Act of 1964), Senators Dirksen, Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), and Mike Mansfield (D-MT) introduced a substitute bill and slightly weaker bill that they hoped would attract enough Republican swing votes to end the filibuster. The compromise bill was weaker than the House version regarding government power to regulate the conduct of private business, but it was not so weak as to cause the House to reconsider the legislation. After 57 days of filibuster, the substitute bill passed in the Senate, and then the House-Senate conference committee agreed to adopt the Senate version of the bill.

Everett Dirksen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BUT, I'M NOT TALKING INDIVIDUALS, I'M TALKING EITHER PARTY (GOP) OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS OR CONservatives as a whole, being on the correct side of history! DO YOU DENY CONservatives bloccked CRA in 1964? SOUTHERN CONservatives today's GOP base?

No one blocked the CRA; it passed. It passed with Repub votes, many of which were conservatives. And btw, in 1968, as George Wallace's support eroded late in the presidential race, his voters migrated to Humphrey, not Nixon.:peace
 
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So then you blame Bush? This would be a first.

Leftists should never guess at what a post means. Please try to read the sentence as it is posted and respond to that, not to something you dream up on your own.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

The most important man in the Senate to pass the CRA was Repub leader Everett Dirksen of Illinois, a man who always described himself as a conservative. There were many others like him in both House and Senate.:peace

Conservatives Try to Rewrite Civil Rights History (Again)

But conservative Republicans — those represented politically by Goldwater, and intellectually by William F. Buckley and National Review — did oppose the civil rights movement. Buckley wrote frankly about his endorsement of white supremacy: "the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically." More often conservatives argued on grounds of states' rights, or freedom of property, or that civil rights leaders were annoying hypocrites, or that they had undermined respect for the law.


Conservatives Trying to Rewrite the History of Civil Rights | Mother Jones
 
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