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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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bubbabgone said:
Then they should be stopped at our Southern border ... too bad the Border Patrol, is too busy baby sitting.
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polgara said:
Amen to that! :thumbs: I don't understand why Border agents and State Governors are responsible for seeing that illegals are taken care of, when it's the federal government that has failed to do its job by enforcing the laws on immigration in the first place. Then to have to listen to the illegals whining about the food they've been given to eat just about takes the damn cake! :thumbdown:

Good morning, bubba. :2wave:
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polgara said:
The attitude that we know what's best for everyone around the world doesn't seem to be working out too well so far! :no: Great Britain, when they ruled the world, arbitrarily divided countries up under their colonization ideas - which only made sense to them, is what started this mess that continues to this day. I really think we should butt out and leave others to run their own countries - in other words, mind our own business! Choosing which faction to give arms to only prolongs the hostilities, and only makes us more enemies! Sheesh!
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We will not be out of the middle east as long as we have financial interests there.
 
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Cryptic said:
Actually, Saddam's number two man was Christian. No Christians were ever drug out of their homes in Saddam's Iraq on account of their religion. A few Christians, however, may of been harmed because of their politics.
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And you know this how? Right, you don't. I am personally acquainted with Christian Iraqis who were tortured by Saddam's fetayeen.
 
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Maenad said:
And you have just addressed what went down in Egypt.
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There are somethings in this world beyond the United States ability to control.
 
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apdst said:
A half-million people are fleeing the insurgents. I'd say they don't dig the insurgents, much.
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They are fleeing the fighting. The muslims who leave will return if the government becomes a muslim theocracy.
 
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Maenad said:
And you know this how? Right, you don't. I am personally acquainted with Christian Iraqis who were tortured by Saddam's fetayeen.
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Did you mean to address Cryptic's post about Christians being tortured in Iraq?
 
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Travis007 said:
he always did.. It was Obama who did not want to stay for poltical gain..

Obama.. what a ditz... but Obama only cares about destroying the USA and the GOP.. nothing else matters..Obamas goal is to bring the USA to its knees and to fumble our position in the world..

hows that red line in Syria doing?
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What would the USA do in Iraq, that it hasn't already done? Spend more tax dollars, get some more Americans killed, for what?

I can see the Malaki leg humpers are out here today.
 
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dad2three2001 said:
Under Saddam, Christians were treated much the same as Muslims; Saddam's right hand man, Tariq Aziz, was Christian

In a segment of the CBS news program 60 Minutes, originally broadcast on Dec. 2, 2007, updated June 26 and aired on June 29, 2008, correspondent Scott Pelley asked Canon White: "You were here during Saddam’s reign. And now after. Which was better? Which was worse?"

"The situation now is clearly worse” than under Saddam, White replied.

"There’s no comparison between Iraq now and then," he told Pelley. "Things are the most difficult they have ever been for Christians. Probably ever in history. They’ve never known it like now."

"Wait a minute, Christians have been here for 2,000 years," Pelley remarked.

"Yes," White said.

Iraq: Worse for Christians Now Than under Saddam Hussein by Michael Ireland
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And your quote alludes that it wasn't good for Christians under Saddam. I know one who went to visit her grandmother just after we invaded. She got of the plane wearing a cross necklace. They called her a 'filthy Christian', scared the snot out of her, and she got on the next plane back to the states without ever seeing her grandmother. Saying it is 'worse' isn't really saying anything. It wasn't good before. I lived in a major city when that war was going on and we had many immigrants from there.
 
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Maenad said:
They are fleeing the fighting. The muslims who leave will return if the government becomes a muslim theocracy.
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They weren't fleeing when the government wasn't a Muslim theocracy.
 
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AJiveMan said:
What would the USA do in Iraq, that it hasn't already done? Spend more tax dollars, get some more Americans killed, for what?

I can see the Malaki leg humpers are out here today.
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We could kill more terrorists.
 
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bubbabgone said:
If you didn't start the slide away from the Iraq topic with your comment then I misunderstood.
You weren't suggesting that only terrorism against our mainland mattered?
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The only relevance I can see in this to our southern border is that occasionally middle easterners will try to jump the border and get us to think they are Mexicans, But middle easterners don't look or sound anything like Mexicans. I don't think our southern border is particularly pertinent to this discussion of what is going on in Iraq. JMNSHO.
 
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dad2three2001 said:
Bush's war of choice NOW CONservatives want US to be the worlds police *shaking head*
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Bush is not in office. That, like the southern border, is a distraction.

Obama is in office and this is HIS baby. Could we stay on topic.
 
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dad2three2001 said:
lol, Almost 6 years in office? Bush's war of choice AFTER ignoring AT LEAST 11 warnings on 9/11? He hit's Iraq? lol
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Bush is not in office and has not been for 6 years. Obama convinced the US electorate that he had all the answers. This is a new occurrence. Bush is not involved. Can we get on topic here?
 
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Maenad said:
And you know this how? Right, you don't. I am personally acquainted with Christian Iraqis who were tortured by Saddam's fetayeen.
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True enough.
Saddam was an equal opportunity tyrant.
All his subjects had an equal opportunity to be tortured.
 
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Maenad said:
Bush is not in office and has not been for 6 years. Obama convinced the US electorate that he had all the answers. This is a new occurrence. Bush is not involved. Can we get on topic here?
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Got it, you make a false premise and argue from there and ALL of Bush's policies/consequences ended Jan 20th, 2009...
 
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Maenad said:
Bush is not in office. Obama is in office.
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Thank Gaaaawwwdd We couldn't afford him...
 
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Perotista said:
There are somethings in this world beyond the United States ability to control.
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Clearly. But I think we have been trying to look after our interests in the middle east. We still have interests there, and running countries is not one of them.
 
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polgara said:
Did you mean to address Cryptic's post about Christians being tortured in Iraq?
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I did somewhere. My quotes got messed up because after I multi quoted the multi quote feature didn't cut off. I had to go back and manually un check it. There may be some problems with my the quotes in my last few posts.
 
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Maenad said:
Bush is not in office. Obama is in office.
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that does not absolve the previous administration of destabilizing the country due to negligence and ill-conceived plans.
 
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apdst said:
They weren't fleeing when the government wasn't a Muslim theocracy.
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The government is NOT a muslim theocracy. It will be when the insurgents prevail and the muslim brotherhood takes over like it did in Egypt. And yes, many did flee Saddam's Iraq. I became acquainted with several of them in TN.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
that does not absolve the previous administration of destabilizing the country due to negligence and ill-conceived plans.
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No ones asking for anyone to be absolved, we're talking about current events not historic events. And when Biden takes credit for Iraq's successes in 2010 and in 2014 it turns to **** like it is now, and the military says this is what will happen in Afghanistan after we leave too, perhaps the current administration doesn't get absolved either due to ill concieved credit and bad policy.
 
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dad2three2001 said:
Got it, you make a false premise and argue from there and ALL of Bush's policies/consequences ended Jan 20th, 2009...
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Obama has been in office for 6 years. He is the one responsible for the last 6 years. I'm so damned tired of hearing 'Bush this and Bush that'. The dumbutts in this country elected Obama, and this is HIS mess.
 
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Maenad said:
The government is NOT a muslim theocracy. It will be when the insurgents prevail and the muslim brotherhood takes over like it did in Egypt. And yes, many did flee Saddam's Iraq. I became acquainted with several of them in TN.
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The ISIS is not affiliated with the muslim brotherhood.

and by the by, the military overthrew the muslim brotherhood government.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
that does not absolve the previous administration of destabilizing the country due to negligence and ill-conceived plans.
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Yes it does because the 'previous administration' is not in a position to make any changes NOW. Obama has been in office for 6 years. What is going on now is due to OBAMA'S policies. This is his baby. And it's his to fix.
 
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Maenad said:
And your quote alludes that it wasn't good for Christians under Saddam. I know one who went to visit her grandmother just after we invaded. She got of the plane wearing a cross necklace. They called her a 'filthy Christian', scared the snot out of her, and she got on the next plane back to the states without ever seeing her grandmother. Saying it is 'worse' isn't really saying anything. It wasn't good before. I lived in a major city when that war was going on and we had many immigrants from there.
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Yes, because the US is so open to Muslims

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"In modern times, under Saddam, Christians were treated much the same as Muslims; Saddam's right hand man, Tariq Aziz, was Christian, Pelley said.

"Before the war," said Pelley,"it's estimated there were about a million Christians in Iraq. They were a small minority, but free to worship, free to build churches, and free to speak the ancient language of Jesus, Aramaic. But, after the invasion, Muslim militants launched a war on each other and the cross."

Iraq: Worse for Christians Now Than under Saddam Hussein by Michael Ireland
 
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