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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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A half-million people are fleeing the insurgents. I'd say they don't dig the insurgents, much.

I'd say they don't "dig" more war. Rather, they "dig" being alive and relatively healthy.

I don't think the "insurgents" are out to win the hearts and minds, as we always claim to be doing. They are not trying to "instill democracy" as we tell our people.

They are trying to achieve a military objective, nothing more. Can u dig it?
 
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Some were. Others not so much. I reference the thousands he poisoned, and the Christians dragged out of their homes by his fedayeen and tortured.

Under Saddam, Christians were treated much the same as Muslims; Saddam's right hand man, Tariq Aziz, was Christian

In a segment of the CBS news program 60 Minutes, originally broadcast on Dec. 2, 2007, updated June 26 and aired on June 29, 2008, correspondent Scott Pelley asked Canon White: "You were here during Saddam’s reign. And now after. Which was better? Which was worse?"

"The situation now is clearly worse” than under Saddam, White replied.

"There’s no comparison between Iraq now and then," he told Pelley. "Things are the most difficult they have ever been for Christians. Probably ever in history. They’ve never known it like now."

"Wait a minute, Christians have been here for 2,000 years," Pelley remarked.

"Yes," White said.

Iraq: Worse for Christians Now Than under Saddam Hussein by Michael Ireland
 
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he always did.. It was Obama who did not want to stay for poltical gain..

Obama.. what a ditz... but Obama only cares about destroying the USA and the GOP.. nothing else matters..Obamas goal is to bring the USA to its knees and to fumble our position in the world..

hows that red line in Syria doing?

Bush set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq

Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."

December 14, 2008

President Bush and Iraq Prime Minister Maliki Sign the Strategic Framework Agreement and Security Agreement
 
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Really, they dont matter anyway. The only important thing here is keeping terrorists from using local resources to attack US.

Then they should be stopped at our Southern border ... too bad the Border Patrol, is too busy baby sitting.

Stay on topic.


If you didn't start the slide away from the Iraq topic with your comment then I misunderstood.
You weren't suggesting that only terrorism against our mainland mattered?
 
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NYT is reporting that Iraq asked for airstrikes on ISIS a month ago and were denied by the White House.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/w...s-officials-say.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0



I guess they better just call in ODIN.
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Bush's war of choice NOW CONservatives want US to be the worlds police *shaking head*
 
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Bush's war of choice NOW CONservatives want US to be the worlds police *shaking head*


Didn't Obama & Biden take credit for a peaceful Iraq?
*shaking head* ... I'm going to resist that opening.
 
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Much like with all the other recent foreign problems, this is probably not a good time to have an inexperienced Commander in charge of national defense, who is 99% focused on social justice. And a budget bureacrat in charge of the DoD.

lol, Almost 6 years in office? Bush's war of choice AFTER ignoring AT LEAST 11 warnings on 9/11? He hit's Iraq? lol
 
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Didn't Obama & Biden take credit for a peaceful Iraq?
*shaking head* ... I'm going to resist that opening.

No. They were OPTIMISTIC. AFTER Bush's war of choice that destabilized Iraq!
 
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Yeah ... so?

Weren't you complaining Obama set a timeline top get out of Iraq? You know, Bush's war of choice?
 
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Bush's war of choice NOW CONservatives want US to be the worlds police *shaking head*
"I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean,
this could be one of the great achievements of this administration.
You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government,"
- Joe Biden
(It has not been confirmed that Joe was shaking his head ... but there was a rattling sound heard)
 
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While we were there Maliki benefited from a much better intel picture and we were able to steer him away from the choices that have alienated Sunnis the past two years. Our residual force would have been for training and support, with a small special ops capability for those special someones.:peace


CONservatives ALWAYS for bigger, more intrusive Gov't measures, even in other nations !
 
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No. They were OPTIMISTIC. AFTER Bush's war of choice that destabilized Iraq!


see #161 ... that's more than optimism ... that's declaring and taking credit.
 
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Oh right, it was you who created the falsde premise


"It was Obama who did not want to stay for poltical gain.."


BUSH just wanted to leave why? lol
 
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Oh right, it was you who created the falsde premise


"It was Obama who did not want to stay for poltical gain.."


BUSH just wanted to leave why? lol

Show me ...
 
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see #161 ... that's more than optimism ... that's declaring and taking credit.

Nonsense, I listened to the SINGLE vid, NOW use your critical thinking abilities!


Bush invaded a nation in the Middle East, how has that worked EVER?
 
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Yep, he kept the lid on the pressure cooker from blowing everything to Kingdom Come under his watch. Look at what it is today - is it better or worst than it was before? I'd say worst in most ways, and that's sad. Enforced stability is sometimes preferable to chaos. My opinion....

Greeting, Pero. :2wave:

Because our military is entirely volunteer, I never got into the refrain about wasting American lives in Iraq. They all volunteered. But I certainly hope we don't waste any more resources. No matter what we do there IS going to be an islamic union in the middle east that is as strong or stronger than the European Union. I hope our resources are put toward strategies for dealing with it. We still have interests in the middle east and as long as we do, we need to be looking out for them.
 
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Show me ...

I I did, gave you the link

Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."
 
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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance



Iraq is going down fast.
The US should never have pulled troops out.
We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.



The USA should never have gotten involved in Iraq and I don't see any reason why the USA should get in the middle of this mess.

Let them people solve their own problems.
 
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Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.

We never should have had troops in Iraq. It is a grand disaster and much of the it is due to the United States.

Prediction: We have not and we will not learn to leave sovereign nations the feck alone. Everyone, again and again, will suffer except the profiteers and the ones of give the orders. It will not stop until each American feels the profound sacrifice inherent in waging war.
 
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Sometimes stability if preferred even if the guy is a scumbag, tyrant and dictator. Getting rid of him may seem like the right thing to do, but you never know what will happen or which side of the coin a country will be on once the pieces get put back together. This is one reason I am in favor of staying out of Syria. Libya looks like it is also headed into chaos, not to mention Afghanistan. Oh the folly of nation building. Nation building is no more than colonization under local rulers doing your bidding.

The best thing we could have done was let the Iraqi and Afghani have the form of government they wanted, then perhaps this wouldn't be happening in Iraq and perhaps we wouldn't have turned 8 of the 14 tribe northern alliance against us if we let them go back to tribal rule like they themselves wanted.

And you have just addressed what went down in Egypt.
 
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We never should have had troops in Iraq. It is a grand disaster and much of the it is due to the United States.

Prediction: We have not and we will not learn to leave sovereign nations the feck alone. Everyone, again and again, will suffer except the profiteers and the ones of give the orders. It will not stop until each American feels the profound sacrifice inherent in waging war.


But, but oil will pay for the invasion and they will treat US like heroes with flowers and chocolates?
 
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