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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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rocket88 said:
Not really. Their influence has been building since 2003

How many more lives for Iraq? Simple question. How many more Americans have to die for the sectarian divide?
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There is nothing we need to do that would endanger Americans any more than just being there endangers them. There is no need for an American combat role.:peace
 
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Jack Hays said:
There is nothing we need to do that would endanger Americans any more than just being there endangers them. There is no need for an American combat role.:peace
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So you're saying no need for a combat role, but Obama is bad for pulling out combat troops....
 
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Conservative said:
Of course you do and of course that brings those soldiers back, doesn't it? That region is vital to this country and you your short term ideology is the dangerous one. You didn't like the Iraq War but the real tribute to those who die would have been a stable Iraq and Obama blew it
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You neocons never learn. There will be no stable Iraq as long as we continue to meddle there. It is up to the Iraqi's to resolve their own conflicts.
 
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Perotista said:
I think Joe Biden, then a senator from Delaware had the right idea. But his suggestion was scorn, pillared and he was laughed at. Right after the capture of Saddam and before our nation building began Senator Joe suggested dividing up Iraq into 3 parts. The Kurds could have their own little country, the same for the Shia and the Sunni. Once done, bring the boys home.

Each could have formed the type of government they wanted and the laws to live under. Instead we forced democracy upon them and tried to make 3 different sects of people who never did get along with each other to get along with each other in the name of democracy.
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Even so, It would still be very likely the Shia and Sunni would still fight each other, with the kurds tied up in the middle.
 
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rocket88 said:
I didn't say America's influence, I said Iran's influence. You don't see that as a problem? Or is that Obama's fault too?

Obama is no Reagan, but you have run so far away from Reagan to stoke your ODS you can't even see him anymore.
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I see everything as a problem when you have an incompetent in the WH and that is our problem here. Yes, it is Obama's fault because of Obama's arrogance. What you and most people here don't seem to comprehend is leadership and that with leadership comes responsibility. Results judge leadership and the Obama results generate what you call ODS. I actually like the guy personally but his lack of leadership skills, executive experience, and actual results support my so called ODS. There isn't one economic number or foreign policy result of Obama's better than Bush's and the hatred here for Bush is incredible. I am result oriented as are most successful people, those who aren't rely on liberal rhetoric and support
 
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iguanaman said:
You neocons never learn. There will be no stable Iraq as long as we continue to meddle there. It is up to the Iraqi's to resolve their own conflicts.
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We aren't meddling, we abandoned the country and the positive results generated
 
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Conservative said:
Again, your opinion is just that an opinion from someone who didn't like the war and who is so naive that they don't believe what is happening there now is going to affect them. Your short term thinking and lack of understanding of the broad picture is part of the problem. Saying your sorry in the future isn't going to change the reality of what is happening now. You buy the liberal spin regarding the Status of Forces agreement and that spin is false. It was Obama arrogance and failed leadership that is leading to the results we see on the ground now. Too bad progressives like you never admit when you are wrong but when proven wrong it is way too late.
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I am a vet who knows what war is up close and personal, I DON'T like war, especially wars we didn't need to protect OUR freedom, but instead a 'national(corporate) interest'... :doh

I knew from the moment 'shock and awe' was unfolding we would be affected for decades, not just now.

My thinking is far more than the worn out, we can't stop sacrificing troops because we foolishly started a HUGE mess and now are trying to justify it with even more lives. :doh

No, the SoFA was pooched from the git-go, Iraq made a HUGE stink about contractors being outside their law (and some thought outside our law as well). Maliki was firmly set on showing HIS country he was no stooge.

It is difficult to see Obama arrogance when he followed BushII and his catastrophe, the hubris was of epic proportions!

As a former NCO let me clue you in on 'leadership'- America is not about to be 'lead' back into Iraq- don't givadamn who you think can get that done.
 
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ocean515 said:
Awesome! A Hitler reference.

Matters not to me that people are so desperate to be proven so gullible in the face of facts. I say carry on to those who are required to do so.

Kind of vaporizes the credibility quotient, but it would seem there was little in that bank account to begin with.
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I won't use the Hitler reference but I'll just say that it was a treasonous Craigslist ad begging for a dark mysterious and handsome terrorist to come invade us.
 

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Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

ocean515 said:
Awesome! A Hitler reference.

Matters not to me that people are so desperate to be proven so gullible in the face of facts. I say carry on to those who are required to do so.

Kind of vaporizes the credibility quotient, but it would seem there was little in that bank account to begin with.
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History, something CONservatives are ALWAYS on the wrong side of. Weird....
 
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notquiteright said:
I am a vet who knows what war is up close and personal, I DON'T like war, especially wars we didn't need to protect OUR freedom, but instead a 'national(corporate) interest'... :doh

I knew from the moment 'shock and awe' was unfolding we would be affected for decades, not just now.

My thinking is far more than the worn out, we can't stop sacrificing troops because we foolishly started a HUGE mess and now are trying to justify it with even more lives. :doh

No, the SoFA was pooched from the git-go, Iraq made a HUGE stink about contractors being outside their law (and some thought outside our law as well). Maliki was firmly set on showing HIS country he was no stooge.

It is difficult to see Obama arrogance when he followed BushII and his catastrophe, the hubris was of epic proportions!

As a former NCO let me clue you in on 'leadership'- America is not about to be 'lead' back into Iraq- don't givadamn who you think can get that done.
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First of all thank you very much for your service and I respect your opinion. I had three family members with a different one and those three family members aren't Progressives as you claim to be. They don't like war either but liking war isn't the issue, others in the world want to destroy our way of life and are doing a good job of it with progressives in charge of our defenses today.

We were affected for decades after every war and it is progressive policies which cause us to lose wars or lose the gains generated by our brave forces. It really is a shame that the world doesn't have your values but rather understand one thing and one thing only, FORCE.

It is too late to put troops back into Iraq as we lost the peace when Obama's arrogance showed through. He hated Iraq as much as most liberals here and showed it by his dealings with the govt. of Iraq. He destroyed the good will generated by our troops and the gains created by their efforts. Here is a good non partisan article on the subject

Is the violence in Iraq Obama's fault? - Page 2 - CBS News

Obama was against the war from the beginning and did nothing to follow Bush's efforts or gains although he tried to do it in Afghanistan and is now generating the same results as we have in Iraq today.

Obama is a perfect example of what happens why you ignore the resume and buy the rhetoric. This country elected an incompetent and the results we are seeing today prove it. The economy is a mess and the country is less safe today than it was when he took office. That is reality, live with it. Saying your sorry is going to be too late.
 
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Jack Hays said:
I won't discuss my time there in detail. It suffices to say that while there were of course dangers, most of the people I met were quite friendly. Outside Baghdad was no more dangerous than inside.
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LOL... yeah that's the ticket, you will discuss how an embassy works with the CIA station chief/ambassador in pretty good detail but won't even say how long you were in, or if the people you met were functionaries or out during your daily walks outside the Green Zone.... :roll:

You are good at spin... Baghdad was dangerous- few US civilians wandered the streets of Baghdad. Howsomever going out on patrol to and from the airport (Highway of Death) and small unit patrols that were bait for contact outside of Baghdad.

or do you have first hand experience of that as well???? ;)
 
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ocean515 said:
No, obviously you don't get it. But I suppose clinging to the words of those who continue to lie about the facts is a good idea for some. Par for the course I've come to understand.
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Yes, and the US will be treated like liberators and confronted with flowers and candy.... $50 billion perhaps months not years.....lol
 
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Conservative said:
How many did you survey? When were you in Iraq? I had three family members there saying the same thing. It was the insurgents that didn't like the American troops not the majority of the Iraqi people and especially the kids.
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Never. I know what I know from media sources.

Three? wow.
 
LowDown said:
Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.
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And we're going to put THIS escapade, and its decades long commitment on the national credit card AGAIN, just like the last one, right?
That way you get to blame the NEXT prezzy-dint for the debt, just like this one, right?

Oh, you say this time you're willing to pay for it up front? Good.
Get ready to stop bitching and whining about taxes then.
And RESTART the draft, because I WANT YOUR KIDS to go over there.
I already sent one, thank you.

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Conservative said:
I see everything as a problem when you have an incompetent in the WH and that is our problem here. Yes, it is Obama's fault because of Obama's arrogance. What you and most people here don't seem to comprehend is leadership and that with leadership comes responsibility. Results judge leadership and the Obama results generate what you call ODS. I actually like the guy personally but his lack of leadership skills, executive experience, and actual results support my so called ODS. There isn't one economic number or foreign policy result of Obama's better than Bush's and the hatred here for Bush is incredible. I am result oriented as are most successful people, those who aren't rely on liberal rhetoric and support
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Bush lost 673,000+ PRIVATE sector jobs in 8 years. Obama has 5+ million under him'

HOW IS THAT FOR ONE? LOL

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


CONservatives are NEVER honest, THEIR policies destroy US then blame the guy trying to clean up their messes...
 
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Jack Hays said:
They were glad we were there.:peace
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I can't believe all were. Possibly a few. Who could possibly like someone (USA) after they came in and destabilized the country. Who want's to live where car bombs and homicide bombers blow stuff up and kill others on a daily basis?
 
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Too much CON to reprint. 'Others' don't want to destroy our way of life, if that was the case hundreds of truck bombs, like Mcviegh's in OKC, would be happening IN THIS COUNTRY. No they want us OUT. Out of their country, out of their politics and out of their culture. We prop up petty tyrants and call then 'allies'.

Force???? Seriously???? we can't afford 'force'... BushII didn't want to use 'force'... he wanted to use shock and awe. He wanted to bluff like war is poker. He refused to put the proper amount of FORCE in Iraq or Afghanistan. He refused to put us on a wartime footing- go shopping and be a 'patriot'. Afghanistan is the same BushII bumble. Years of low manning and now a late attempt to stabilize...

Funny thing I agree on what happens when you ignore the resume and fall for the rhetoric, we did that in 2000....
 
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AJiveMan said:
Never. I know what I know from media sources.

Three? wow.
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Of course that is what you believe because that is what you want to believe. I had three family members there and didn't sleep well at night but all came back with the same story, we did the right thing although nothing is going to change your mind or anyone else who is so short term thinkers that they cannot see the forest for the trees. they will soon. Liberals live in a utopian bubble and judge everyone else in the world by their own standards. they simply cannot accept the fact that you cannot talk people out of their ideology and hatred for this country. It is like a cancer and has to be cut out or it will spread.
 
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dad2three2001 said:
Bush lost 673,000+ PRIVATE sector jobs in 8 years. Obama has 5+ million under him'

HOW IS THAT FOR ONE? LOL

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


CONservatives are NEVER honest, THEIR policies destroy US then blame the guy trying to clean up their messes...
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That has been debunked in another thread as has been your credibility.
 
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Conservative said:
Exactly but a message ignored by the left and the MSM

http://www.startcolorado.com/mpdownload/LittleFeet.wmv
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October 2010, record Iraqi and Coalition military deaths between January 2004 and December 2009 The documents record 109,032 deaths broken down into "Civilian" (66,081 deaths), "Host Nation" (15,196 deaths),"Enemy" (23,984 deaths), and "Friendly" (3,771 deaths)

Iraq war logs: secret files show how US ignored torture | World news | The Guardian


Associated Press stated that more than 110,600 Iraqis had been killed since the start of the war to April 2009.
 
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