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Sheriff’s Office: Shooter dead at Troutdale school

Jredbaron96 said:
No, in a perfect world we wouldn't have to worry about accidental shootings, or worry about whether that guy who's got a handgun in his pocket has any ill intentions or not.
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Or criminals exploiting gun-free zones


Remove zones and take away media glamor and we would quickly move far in reducing these.
 
Gipper said:
So if I'm over 18 and not a student, I can carry - correct?
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would you like to be a constitutional test case? Anounce that you would like to carry your firearm into a school. If the school refuses your request, you have a case to challenge in court.
 
These killers always seem to kill themselves after their murderous activities. We need to convince them to kill themselves first.
 
Are we still waiting on word from the Sheriff's office as to the identity of the shooter?
 
Okay, now we know. The shooter was a 15 year old freshman going to the same school. He got the weapons at home, all of which the police state were properly secured, but the kid broke the locks. No word yet on the why of it.
 
Very sad. I had a terrible time as a teenager. Not sure how it would have went down if I had a gun... before I had time to mature and straighten out my thoughts.
 
Gipper said:
If you'll excuse me, I'll wait for some sensible people to enter the thread.
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Never fear Turtledude is here. The glorification of Lanza and Klebold and Harris by the Media causes twisted losers to try to emulate those three assholes to the point of trying to "beat" their score. While I am a big supporter of the first amendment, I believe if the media wouldn't focus so much on the twisted losers, it might cut down on the copycats. Gun free zones are magnets for mass killers as well--the only way to stop an active shooter is to challenge him ASAP
 
They said that the SPU shooter in Seattle admired the Littleton, CO and VT shooters.

What the **** is there to admire? They were losers that took up guns against unarmed people.

That's called a "coward."
 
Chaddelamancha said:
KOIN wasn't the best, just happened to be the first link.

The office has been buzzing and it is amazing how much wrong information can come out so quickly. The important thing is that the scene has been secured.
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It just seems some want guns outlawed and will use any excuse to have the Second Amendment murdered.
 
People who want guns outlawed are the extreme. The are Pro-gun people who go to the extreme. If either side was the majority, we might have something here. The reality is that guns aren't going anywhere.

Mr.Nick said:
It just seems some want guns outlawed and will use any excuse to have the Second Amendment murdered.
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Higgins86 said:
Yeh is this normal for the US but it's just a case that the media are over reporting it or are the amount of shooting sprees increasing?
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My understanding is that school shooting incidents have been statistically pretty steady for some time now, so I assume if it seems otherwise, it is media overcoverage.
 
Lursa said:
They said that the SPU shooter in Seattle admired the Littleton, CO and VT shooters.

What the **** is there to admire? They were losers that took up guns against unarmed people.

That's called a "coward."
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It's well known that some people will copy-cat other crimes, especially if the original criminal got lots of media face-time (ie "glory"). :(
 
Goshin said:
It's well known that some people will copy-cat other crimes, especially if the original criminal got lots of media face-time (ie "glory"). :(
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Yes but he specifically was interviewed and quoted as saying he admired them.

What is there to admire?

Having read a book called "We have to talk about Kevin" it described exactly how they even try to 'one-up' each other. They know all the other shooters's 'stats' and how they operated. It still doesnt show anything worth admiring except that these losers show that they have no other way to distinguish themselves in life, so they choose methods and weapons that give them an overpowering edige so they 'cant lose.'

It's a good book btw. They made it into a movie but I havent seen it yet.
 
Goshin said:
My understanding is that school shooting incidents have been statistically pretty steady for some time now, so I assume if it seems otherwise, it is media overcoverage.
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And that understanding is based on what? Wishful thinking?

School shootings from 1979-2011

74 since the beginning of 2013. 75 from 2006-2011. 26 from 2000-2005.

Seems pretty steady. Steadily exponentially increasing, that is.
 
Mustachio said:
And that understanding is based on what? Wishful thinking?

School shootings from 1979-2011

74 since the beginning of 2013. 75 from 2006-2011. 26 from 2000-2005.

Seems pretty steady. Steadily exponentially increasing, that is.
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:shrug: Possibly the stats I was thinking of involved "mass shootings". I don't recall exactly.


Ok. School shootings are up then. So what's your answer?
 
Mustachio said:
And that understanding is based on what? Wishful thinking?

School shootings from 1979-2011

74 since the beginning of 2013. 75 from 2006-2011. 26 from 2000-2005.

Seems pretty steady. Steadily exponentially increasing, that is.
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Wow, look what I just found... :mrgreen:


CNN Slashes School Shooting Stats Claim By 80 Percent | The Daily Caller

“CNN determined that 15 of the incidents Everytown included were situations similar to the violence in Oregon – a minor or adult actively shooting inside or near a school,” said CNN.
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Just 15 of the alleged 74 were the real deal... well, how embarrassing for CNN and Everytown for Gun Safety, which is backed by former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg.
 
Gipper said:
Ah. It's a good thing. I'd hate to see dozens of kids bringing guns to school everyday. After all, outside of school, it's legal for minors to possess firearms.
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Well put for those of us who argue that the second amendment is the right to arm a bear.
 
The Reynolds school district has too many troubled kids for being a suburban district. At least it isn't as bad as the Portland schools. Still, I'm glad my kids went to Centennial. Far less troubled kids.
 
Goshin said:
Wow, look what I just found... :mrgreen:


CNN Slashes School Shooting Stats Claim By 80 Percent | The Daily Caller
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Even if that's true, which I'd have to look in to, the graph I provided still indicates that school shootings have drastically increased from the 90's until now. So, 75 or 15, they've gone from about an average of 4 a year to an average of 10 a year. 15 in a year would have been the most ever from forever ago until 2009. There's a pretty obvious trend there.

What do we do about it? We can't do anything about it because we're not willing to change the mental health system. We abandon mentally disabled adolescents and allow them to be in an environment where even normal kids suffer tremendously from having to deal with the hell that is school. We don't recognize warning signs. And parents with these kids are still keeping guns in their homes. That's a pretty awful idea, in my opinion. I don't think we can take guns away from parents because their kids are dangerous, but it's pretty depressing to see that parents with homicidal children haven't figured out that their homicidal children plan to murder people with their guns.

This didn't used to happen. Not 15 times a year. Why did it just start recently? If you have any ideas I'd love to hear it, but the root cause is hard to figure out.
 
What can we do about it? I saw on FaceBook a bracket that goes over the school door opening hinge to prevent entry.

Apparently one of the (pathetic) methods schools were teaching teachers was, if they heard shooting, to wrap a belt or similar around that hinge to prevent it from opening. And it was easily broken.

This is a metal triangular bracket that fits over the hinge (not door hinge, the big triangular opening arm) and prevents it from moving. It was invented by a teacher and is relatively inexpensive.

Pretty cool and grass roots. It's an 'immediate' measure to take in a serious event.
 
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