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Kobie said:
What part of "Southern Democrats were overwhelmingly against it" from my post didn't register? The south was a big fat bloc o' racists back then, Democrat and the few Republicans alike.

I don't see how posting actual, objective, incontrovertible facts about the CRA voting constitutes "not liking the subject matter."
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I think you miss the entire point.

You do realize the republicans tried numerous times to pass a CRA and democrats denied them every time.

Don't sit here an pretend the democrats invented the CRA when they didn't.

Republicans tried numerous times to abolish "Jim Crow laws" yet when people say "Jim Crow" the uninformed think "Republican" - when in reality it was the complete opposite.

I have absolutely no idea how democrats get a free pass for being the biggest bigots and murderers in US history - or even worse - how they managed to blame it all on republicans.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No, I will NOT get over it.
The facts on who voted for what were already posted.
The voting records of WHICH Democrats voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964 were also already posted.
Southern Dems voted AGAINST, Northern, Eastern and Western Dems voted FOR.

And the historical documentation on turning the Dixiecrat South RED is a fact.
Each and every time you folks try pushing your garbage over here and calling it ours, I will push it right back.
I'll do it every day for the next twenty years if I have to.

We ADMIT the mistakes of the old Democratic Party, but we also point to the turning point in history where the tide changed.
That's not lying or revisionism, that's telling the truth.

So get mad, get pissed off, scream if you want.
It's not going to stop me or even slow me down, if anything it's going to make me more inspired and it's going to get the thread more views.
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The turning point came when democrats figured out using blacks for votes instead of lynching them or oppressing them was a better idea.

Either way - republicans played ZERO role in any of this "Jim Crow" bull**** - especially like I stated previously - the republicans attempted NUMEROUS times to pass a Civil Rights Act and were denied every time by democrats until democrats decided to pass one, and they only did so for the reasons I previously listed.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Ten years in Mansfield TX and I will tell you flat out that even a WHITE GUY putting an Obama sticker on their car or a sign in front of their house equaled taking your life in your hands. One neighbor (an elementary school teacher) DID put an Obama sign in her yard.
Her house got treated to a nice drive by. Cops counted 28 bullet holes in the garage door alone.
She's lucky they didn't toss a Molotov through the living room window.

Now imagine a BLACK man, it's just so ridiculously absurd that it should be funny, except these are people's lives we're talking about. So of course, it's NOT really funny.
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I believe it. That's the way it is through so much of the South. People who've never lived there simply cannot grasp what life is like there.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Ten years in Mansfield TX and I will tell you flat out that even a WHITE GUY putting an Obama sticker on their car or a sign in front of their house equaled taking your life in your hands. One neighbor (an elementary school teacher) DID put an Obama sign in her yard.
Her house got treated to a nice drive by. Cops counted 28 bullet holes in the garage door alone.
She's lucky they didn't toss a Molotov through the living room window.

Now imagine a BLACK man, it's just so ridiculously absurd that it should be funny, except these are people's lives we're talking about. So of course, it's NOT really funny.
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I call straight up bull****....

"politically informed voters doing drive bys"

Funny how none of that **** happens around here where I say unless you have a libertarian sticker on your car or a pro-conservative sticker on your car.

I saw some crazy lady at a home depot parking lot literally scraping conservative/libertarian bumper stickers off of peoples cars. I confronted her and she responded with "Ill just call the cops" and I said "go right ahead lady" because you're damaging others property and violating their First Amendment rights... She was arrested.

This all started because the crazy lady didn't like my friends POW MIA flag he hangs in the back window of his van and actually followed us to home depot - gave us the business, pulled out a knife and started looking for any bumper sticker that could even remotely be considered conservative and started scraping them off of peoples cars.

As far as your driveby crap I don't buy it.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I believe it. That's the way it is through so much of the South. People who've never lived there simply cannot grasp what life is like there.
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Of course you believe it because you want to believe it....

Kinda like that census worker who committed suicide by hanging himself and scratching the words "fed" into his stomach before he did it to make it look like a politically motivated murder..... Yeah that's how crazy some progressives are.

Progressives will resort to suicide for political reasons.

Hell, I remember a few years back a progressive bit the finger off a Tea Party member in a disagreement over politics.
 
Several years back here in Chicago at the Daley Center we had a Tea Party rally and they had a reporter there that was so disgusted with our politics. Well she tried to interview me for the local news - well she kept on asking me the oddest questions - like she was trying her best to portray me as a racist or something.

She was asking questions like" "is this a racially motivated rally" and "do you hate the government or just minorities," and I'm like lady this is a rally for limited government, less taxation and more freedom and her response was "so this is a racist rally and you're basically sponsoring terrorism" I was like - I'm done with you lady. She was from channel 7 Chicago News.

The look on her face was telling tho. If she had an AK she would have mowed everyone down.

I had a picture of her just sitting in a corner steaming on my old digital camera - it was hilarious.
 
Ahh, so much fun to watch a hard right winger defend liberals because they were called Republicans back then. :lol:
 
Verax said:
Ahh, so much fun to watch a hard right winger defend liberals because they were called Republicans back then. :lol:
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What do you think a "right winger" actually is?

If anything progressives are on the right and conservatives are on the left.

Just like democrats should be red and republicans should be blue.
 
Demon of Light said:
Who said I was doing that? I am just trying to correct the mistaken notion that Fascist/Nazi = right-wing.
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To be continued, I respectfully disagree.

Demon of Light said:
The OP is the one who is trying to tack the Nazi label onto any and everything opposed to Democrats on the misrepresented basis of what a couple of unstable individuals did at a pizzeria. What is really funny is how people were like "Tea Party flag!" as though the Gadsden flag did not have hundreds of years of history in the United States.
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The Gadsden Flag does indeed have a very long and storied history which is not connected to the Tea Party.
But that's worth what? Two hundred years ago, if you told someone you were gay, they'd want to know what the happy occasion was. :lamo

I have to chuckle if you're trying to say that the Gadsden Flag IS NOT an adopted symbol of the Tea Party.
Please, take a moment to observe the results of this simple image search:

local tea party flags - Google Search

My God, are you mad? They even use it as a LICENSE PLATE.
So suffice it to say, if a modern person in the year 2014 uses a Gadsden Flag, they're aligning themselves with the Tea Party, just
like if a modern person says they're gay, they explaining that they have a homosexual lifestyle, just like if a person shows you a little man
in a tux wearing a top hat and a monocle, they're most likely indicating some affiliation with the Parker Brothers game known as MONOPOLY.

Whatever the Gadsden Flag was used for hundreds of years ago was just that, what it was hundreds of years ago.
Today, it's used to symbolize the Tea Party.

You're going to have better luck convincing people that someone flashing their index and third finger in a V formation means a Roman soldier ordering
five cups of ale. :peace:

Now, if you simply want to venture a gut feeling that these two dumb punks chose the "Tea Party" Gadsden Flag with about as much care as they chose the swastikas, I may actually be inclined to agree with you because even though I suspect that they had some right wing leanings they appeared to be all over the map for the most part.

After taking a nice long look at Jared's page, the only thing I do not see much of is liberal trends and tendencies.
But I see an awful lot of ANTI-liberal agitprop.

Here, take a look for yourself and you decide what you think his political leanings were.
I say it's fairly obvious.

https://www.facebook.com/jerad.miller.1
 
Mr.Nick said:
Of course you believe it because you want to believe it....

Kinda like that census worker who committed suicide by hanging himself and scratching the words "fed" into his stomach before he did it to make it look like a politically motivated murder..... Yeah that's how crazy some progressives are.

Progressives will resort to suicide for political reasons.

Hell, I remember a few years back a progressive bit the finger off a Tea Party member in a disagreement over politics.
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I believe it because I LIVED it. I was raised there with all my family. We were all strongly conservative, and we were racist. I'm the "black sheep" of the family, because as time went on I saw through it all, and am now a strong liberal.

BTW, you say progressives will resort to suicide for political reasons...do you really want to go there? Maybe you found one who did. By the same token, I can point out LOTS of conservatives who murdered people for being black, or being gay. So do you really want to go there? It's cherry-picking to be sure...but there's LOTS more cherries for me to pick than there is for you to pick.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
To be continued, I respectfully disagree.



The Gadsden Flag does indeed have a very long and storied history which is not connected to the Tea Party.
But that's worth what? Two hundred years ago, if you told someone you were gay, they'd want to know what the happy occasion was. :lamo

I have to chuckle if you're trying to say that the Gadsden Flag IS NOT an adopted symbol of the Tea Party.
Please, take a moment to observe the results of this simple image search:

local tea party flags - Google Search

My God, are you mad? They even use it as a LICENSE PLATE.
So suffice it to say, if a modern person in the year 2014 uses a Gadsden Flag, they're aligning themselves with the Tea Party, just
like if a modern person says they're gay, they explaining that they have a homosexual lifestyle, just like if a person shows you a little man
in a tux wearing a top hat and a monocle, they're most likely indicating some affiliation with the Parker Brothers game known as MONOPOLY.

Whatever the Gadsden Flag was used for hundreds of years ago was just that, what it was hundreds of years ago.
Today, it's used to symbolize the Tea Party.

You're going to have better luck convincing people that someone flashing their index and third finger in a V formation means a Roman soldier ordering
five cups of ale. :peace:

Now, if you simply want to venture a gut feeling that these two dumb punks chose the "Tea Party" Gadsden Flag with about as much care as they chose the swastikas, I may actually be inclined to agree with you because even though I suspect that they had some right wing leanings they appeared to be all over the map for the most part.

After taking a nice long look at Jared's page, the only thing I do not see much of is liberal trends and tendencies.
But I see an awful lot of ANTI-liberal agitprop.

Here, take a look for yourself and you decide what you think his political leanings were.
I say it's fairly obvious.

https://www.facebook.com/jerad.miller.1
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No the Gadsden Flag is NOT a symbol of the Tea Party but many libertarians are Tea Party members and support the Tea Party movement. As an active political libertarian I have absolutely no problem with the Tea Party using the Gadsden Flag.

If it matters, everyday I wear either a Gadsden t-shirt or hat..... Hell I even have a hockey jersey I made myself with the Gadsden patch on a blank Boston Bruins jersey with "Paul" as the name plate.

Don't tread on me.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I believe it because I LIVED it. I was raised there with all my family. We were all strongly conservative, and we were racist. I'm the "black sheep" of the family, because as time went on I saw through it all, and am now a strong liberal.

BTW, you say progressives will resort to suicide for political reasons...do you really want to go there? Maybe you found one who did. By the same token, I can point out LOTS of conservatives who murdered people for being black, or being gay. So do you really want to go there? It's cherry-picking to be sure...but there's LOTS more cherries for me to pick than there is for you to pick.
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Again - what is "conservative" to you?

Going to Church, voting GOP, believing in less government???

Conservative can mean a lot of things.

Hell, there are conservative democrats...

"conservative" is such a loose term.

Just because you grew up in the suburbs and were forced to go to church every week and come from a cookie cutter home life doesn't make you a "conservative."
 
Mr.Nick said:
I think you miss the entire point.

You do realize the republicans tried numerous times to pass a CRA and democrats denied them every time.

Don't sit here an pretend the democrats invented the CRA when they didn't.

Republicans tried numerous times to abolish "Jim Crow laws" yet when people say "Jim Crow" the uninformed think "Republican" - when in reality it was the complete opposite.

I have absolutely no idea how democrats get a free pass for being the biggest bigots and murderers in US history - or even worse - how they managed to blame it all on republicans.
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Southern Democrats.

And I for one am not blaming all of this on Republicans. Not even remotely.
But today's Republicans ARE NOT "The Party of Lincoln", and all you have to do is look and listen. Look at what they support and listen to the rhetoric.
Today's SOUTHERN Republicans look, sound and ACT exactly like the old Dixiecrats.

If you can't see the change in the last generation, sorry...not my fault.
The Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's inspired Democrats in the North, East and West to change their tune.
Their fellow Democrats in the South refused to get in line, and a few smart Republicans wasted no time in capitalizing on it with "the Southern Strategy" which turned the Solid South (which was BLUE) into a deep deep RED.

Mr.Nick said:
You do realize the republicans tried numerous times to pass a CRA and democrats denied them every time.
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Yup, you're absolutely CORRECT, up until the 1960's.
The old Republicans might have drank a little too much of the John Birch Kool Aid but they were all about equality of the races.
I grant you everything on that.
The old Democrats looked the other way as their Southern Dems practiced Jim Crow, it's TRUE.

And then, in the 1960's the whole foundation underneath the "Solid South" started cracking and in a matter of a few short years, "the Good Ole Boys" found themselves CUT LOOSE from the rest of their party.
Suddenly, after years of being the racists, Dems in the rest of the country grew a conscience.
If you want to say they did it out of convenience, or to grab power, I am not sure that I could really argue it with you because you might be right.
If instead you wanted to say that a whole ****load of conscientious and idealistic young liberal KIDS GOADED their older peers into it you might even be more right.
If you wanted to argue that it was some of both and a perfect storm of the two factors converging, I might have to agree with you.
Politics is what politics does!

But once that happened the Southern Dems didn't have the support they needed from the rest of the party anymore and Republicans knew it.
And I do not BLAME the GOP for excercising the Southern Strategy, it was a smart move.

But don't try to pretend that didn't happen. It's exactly what happened, which is why today's Southern Republicans look, sound and act like the old Southern Dixiecrats used to.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Southern Democrats.

And I for one am not blaming all of this on Republicans. Not even remotely.
But today's Republicans ARE NOT "The Party of Lincoln", and all you have to do is look and listen. Look at what they support and listen to the rhetoric.
Today's SOUTHERN Republicans look, sound and ACT exactly like the old Dixiecrats.

If you can't see the change in the last generation, sorry...not my fault.
The Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's inspired Democrats in the North, East and West to change their tune.
Their fellow Democrats in the South refused to get in line, and a few smart Republicans wasted no time in capitalizing on it with "the Southern Strategy" which turned the Solid South (which was BLUE) into a deep deep RED.



Yup, you're absolutely CORRECT, up until the 1960's.
The old Republicans might have drank a little too much of the John Birch Kool Aid but they were all about equality of the races.
I grant you everything on that.
The old Democrats looked the other way as their Southern Dems practiced Jim Crow, it's TRUE.

And then, in the 1960's the whole foundation underneath the "Solid South" started cracking and in a matter of a few short years, "the Good Ole Boys" found themselves CUT LOOSE from the rest of their party.
Suddenly, after years of being the racists, Dems in the rest of the country grew a conscience.
If you want to say they did it out of convenience, or to grab power, I am not sure that I could really argue it with you because you might be right.
If instead you wanted to say that a whole ****load of conscientious and idealistic young liberal KIDS GOADED their older peers into it you might even be more right.
If you wanted to argue that it was some of both and a perfect storm of the two factors converging, I might have to agree with you.
Politics is what politics does!

But once that happened the Southern Dems didn't have the support they needed from the rest of the party anymore and Republicans knew it.
And I do not BLAME the GOP for excercising the Southern Strategy, it was a smart move.

But don't try to pretend that didn't happen. It's exactly what happened, which is why today's Southern Republicans look, sound and act like the old Southern Dixiecrats used to.
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Dude I don't like present day republicans or democrats - I think they're all full of horse ****.

But I don't believe republicans are racist no matter how screwed they are presently.

Republicans aren't the ones handing free money out to minorities to keep them dependent on government just for a vote - that is a trick LBJ figured out - which is why he said: "I'll have every negro voting democrat for the next century." Republicans weren't the ones who thought it was a good idea for those on welfare NOT to have a father in the home - that was the democrats...

I really don't like republicans myself because they're just as corrupt as democrats but they are also weak, but democrats/progressives IMO I think they are evil - at least those who legislate and are responsible for enslaving minorities to the government.
 
Mr.Nick said:
The turning point came when democrats figured out using blacks for votes instead of lynching them or oppressing them was a better idea.
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Okay well now I believe I have a handle on your age group because no one older than 35 could get away with putting it that way.
And I'm actually guessing you're in your twenties.
Anyone out there know for sure, PM me so I can find out if I was close!

And the reason I say that is because I am 57 years old and I watched it firsthand.
And I watched the expression on the faces of people I knew as they saw the newsreel footage on TV.
National TV network coverage of local civil disturbances in the South was something the networks used to avoid.
There was a gentleman's agreement between affiliates.
People up North who had never been down South had never seen firsthand accounts of what went on down there.
That changed a lot of people almost overnight.

You might want to ask some old folks around you about that.
Yeah, I think I'm pretty close on guessing your age.
You cannot possibly be older than 27 to 35 at the most.

And that's important because someone in my age bracket most likely would not expect to be able to say something like
"democrats figured out using blacks for votes instead of lynching them or oppressing them was a better idea" with a straight face.

There WERE NO REGULAR LYNCHINGS UP NORTH, or in the East, or OUT WEST in those days.
Oh to be sure there was a certain amount of racism everywhere in America but it didn't work like Jim Crow down South.

And you're sitting here trying to tell someone who grew up in it how much you know about the history of racism in the Democratic Party
as if I spent my whole life on another planet or something and it just isn't working, you sound like a fool for trying.

The only Democrats with a lot of experience lynching were the DIXIECRATS down South.
When the rest of us saw how the good ole boys took care of business, most of us were horrified.
And when we realized that the whole WORLD was watching, we became embarrassed and ashamed.
There was no going back to looking the other way anymore and pretending like it never happened.

And now you're running around trying to paint a picture of Democrats deciding that lynching was suddenly
out of style in Minneapolis, Dayton Ohio, Pittsburgh, Boston and New York City.

With a straight face.
You sound like a fool.
This **** was serious and you're making a big joke out of it.
 
It doesn't matter, the south was the south - what happened happened, however we need to "move forward" and embrace a society that embraces more personal responsibility and less government intervention, taxation and regulation.

After all it is our government that is the biggest corporation in the United States, and they steal our liberties daily and our money from the top down.

Our government is here to protect ourselves from enemies of the state - not to take our money and use it as political cannon fodder or money fodder.
 
Mr.Nick said:
What do you think a "right winger" actually is?

If anything progressives are on the right and conservatives are on the left.

Just like democrats should be red and republicans should be blue.
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What the hell are you talking about.

Today right-wingers can be identified as almost all libertarians and conservatives. They want less government, less taxes on the rich, less spending on the people (the younger ones at least), less or no welfare, less federal government, more "states rights", some are social righties and want a Christian form of Sharia law inflicted upon the people both public and private.

Left is basically everything that isn't that.

Southern Democrats of old were Conservatives, they were largely racists. If you believe otherwise I have to wonder how naive you are.
 
Mr.Nick said:
What do you think a "right winger" actually is?

If anything progressives are on the right and conservatives are on the left.

Just like democrats should be red and republicans should be blue.
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Obfuscation en regalia.
 
Verax said:
What the hell are you talking about.
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"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!' "
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they're the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"

Verax, this is who you're arguing with...

HumptyDumpty.jpg

He can decide that progressives are right wingers and conservatives are left,
he can decide that fascism is socialism, he can decide that 2+2=5.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Okay well now I believe I have a handle on your age group because no one older than 35 could get away with putting it that way.
And I'm actually guessing you're in your twenties.
Anyone out there know for sure, PM me so I can find out if I was close!

And the reason I say that is because I am 57 years old and I watched it firsthand.
And I watched the expression on the faces of people I knew as they saw the newsreel footage on TV.
National TV network coverage of local civil disturbances in the South was something the networks used to avoid.
There was a gentleman's agreement between affiliates.
People up North who had never been down South had never seen firsthand accounts of what went on down there.
That changed a lot of people almost overnight.

You might want to ask some old folks around you about that.
Yeah, I think I'm pretty close on guessing your age.
You cannot possibly be older than 27 to 35 at the most.

And that's important because someone in my age bracket most likely would not expect to be able to say something like
"democrats figured out using blacks for votes instead of lynching them or oppressing them was a better idea" with a straight face.

There WERE NO REGULAR LYNCHINGS UP NORTH, or in the East, or OUT WEST in those days.
Oh to be sure there was a certain amount of racism everywhere in America but it didn't work like Jim Crow down South.

And you're sitting here trying to tell someone who grew up in it how much you know about the history of racism in the Democratic Party
as if I spent my whole life on another planet or something and it just isn't working, you sound like a fool for trying.

The only Democrats with a lot of experience lynching were the DIXIECRATS down South.
When the rest of us saw how the good ole boys took care of business, most of us were horrified.
And when we realized that the whole WORLD was watching, we became embarrassed and ashamed.
There was no going back to looking the other way anymore and pretending like it never happened.

And now you're running around trying to paint a picture of Democrats deciding that lynching was suddenly
out of style in Minneapolis, Dayton Ohio, Pittsburgh, Boston and New York City.

With a straight face.
You sound like a fool.
This **** was serious and you're making a big joke out of it.
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Don't kid yourself checkers. I'm in my 50s and grew up in Lansing MI, there was a full on KKK group just outside of town. I knew some of them, and they were solid JFK liberals.

We should judge you libs by your actions because libs words mean so little.
 
j-mac said:
Don't kid yourself checkers. I'm in my 50s and grew up in Lansing MI, there was a full on KKK group just outside of town. I knew some of them, and they were solid JFK liberals.

We should judge you libs by your actions because libs words mean so little.
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Yeah yeah yeah and there were Illinois Nazis and members of the old Bund marching around in Gary Indiana.
And this is what an average day looked like up there in Michigan for a black man.

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SAID NO ONE EVER
We should judge you contards by
the number of times you
try to insult everyone's intelligence.

 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Yeah yeah yeah and there were Illinois Nazis and members of the old Bund marching around in Gary Indiana.
And this is what an average day looked like up there in Michigan for a black man.

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We should judge you contards by
the number of times you
try to insult everyone's intelligence.
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From attempting to sound intelligent straight to sarcasm, insult, and personal attacks. Typical. Glad I found out what you're all about in 1 post. Saves me lots of wasted time. ;)
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I have to chuckle if you're trying to say that the Gadsden Flag IS NOT an adopted symbol of the Tea Party.
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Um, where do you keep getting these ideas about the things I am saying?

After taking a nice long look at Jared's page, the only thing I do not see much of is liberal trends and tendencies.
But I see an awful lot of ANTI-liberal agitprop.

Here, take a look for yourself and you decide what you think his political leanings were.
I say it's fairly obvious.

https://www.facebook.com/jerad.miller.1
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Libertarian? He is obviously a militant atheist:

However, my opinion is that we could do without all the bigotry and intolerance religion pushes upon the populace, that religion should be wiped off the planet.
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I suppose many American libertarians are right-leaning, though, even atheist ones. Pretty sure his pro-pot, anti-war, and anti-cop rhetoric would not win him many friends among the Tea Party, however.
 
rocket88 said:
As I said, tangentially. It's an interesting side note, and you don't want to hear it because it's Bundy.
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if someone goes to your house when you are having a BBQ and pisses on your front lawn and you stop him and tell him to leave and then later gets caught pissing in the bushes at a child care center and gets charged with public indecency and child abuse are you connected and worthy of guilt by association? I mean after all...there would be a 'tangental' connection...
 
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