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Kerry: 'Offensive' to leave an American behind

APACHERAT said:
It's usually after one's husband or father passes away and you finally see his DD-214 or NAVMC 78 -FD for WW ll and Korean war vets who served in the Navy or Marines you see what he never mentioned and kept from family members.
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Mom knew it but blew it.
That generation was called the "silent" one for more than one reason.
To her detriment, she missed the computer responses and had P.O.A.

I had to pay for my POA fees and of course it was Mom who made the unforced error causing delay of game.
In Jan. 2009, we took him from Hines VA to Quincy and he was in the hallway in a wheelchair due to the Iraqi need for the beds .

Do you have your fathers entire SRB ?
If not you or your mother can request a copy of it.
Since your father was a career airmen it's probably pretty thick.
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I've got it all.
Btw, we were turned down for more pension due to Vietnam exposure and/or pnemonia to heart.
It really doesn't matter because what you gain from the VA you pretty much lose to Medicaid.
Medicaid in IL isn't a big fan of VA paperwork .
 
Navy Pride said:
How anyone could defend "Traitor" Kerry at this time is unbelieveable...He and "Hanoi" Jane Fonda should be tried for treason..
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So upset that Kerry is against leaving soldiers behind, but perfectly willing to use what are at best unproven allegations to defame some one. Classy!
 
Hatuey said:
Still can't come to terms with the fact that the military (that left wing institution they are) saw nothing wrong with Kerry's record nor did it find inconsistencies with the way their predecessors had given those medals? Here, I'll post it again:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/jknavydocs.pdf


Red is what is important.
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He was a Senator, what the **** did you expect ?

This is more important.

>"Conducting any additional review regarding events that took place over 30 years ago would not be productive. The passage of time would make reconstruction of the facts and circumstances unreliable, and would not allow the information gathered to be considered in the context of the time in which the events "<


KERRY CAUGHT IN ONE OF HIS OWN LIES

>" A lot of controversy surrounds Kerry’s first Purple Heart “wound.”

In Kerry’s authorized biography, “Tour of Duty,” written by adoring flack and campaign shill Douglas Brinkley, the author writes the following:

“They [Kerry and his crew in their Navy swift boat] pulled away from the pier at Cat Lo with spirits high, feeling satisfied with the way things were going for them. They had no lust for battle, but they also were not afraid. Kerry wrote in his notebook, ‘A cocky feeling of invincibility accompanied us up the Long Tau shipping channel because we hadn’t been shot at yet, and Americans at war who haven’t been shot at are allowed to be cocky.’”

Please note the date this journal entry was made - when “Kerry had just turned 25, on Dec. 11, 1968,” Brinkley wrote. That was nine days after Kerry falsely claimed to have been “wounded” during a firefight with the enemy.

According to military regulations, the only time a Purple Heart can be awarded is when the recipient has been engaged in combat with a hostile force. Inadvertent “wounds” that are self-inflicted, don’t count.

The Swift Boat Vets revealed Kerry didn’t deserve the first of three Purple Heart medals he got because his “injury” was from a tiny fragment of shrapnel that resulted from him firing an M-79 grenade launcher against the nearby shore from the deck of his boat.

KERRY’S C.O. DISPUTES VALIDITY OF FIRST “WOUND”

Grant Hibbard of Gulf Breeze, Fla., a retired Navy officer, told MilitaryCorruption.com he was the commanding officer to whom Kerry reported his “battle wound” on Dec. 3, 1968.

“I had confirmed that there was no hostile fire that night and that Kerry had simply wounded himself with an M-79 grenade round he fired too close. He wanted a Purple Heart, and I refused.”

The former Navy commander said Louis Letson, the base physician, saw Kerry and used tweezers to remove a tiny piece of shrapnel – about 1 centimeter in length and 2 millimeters in diameter – from the lieutenant j.g.’s (junior grade) forearm.

“Letson confirmed that the scratch had been self-inflicted when Kerry clumsily used the M-79.”

It’s been more than 35 years since the incident, but Hibbard still recalls Kerry’s actions with disgust.

“It is unacceptable to nominate yourself for a combat award. It compromises the basic military principle that we survive together.. To promote yourself is to denigrate your team . . . Kerry orchestrated his way out of Vietnam [in four months – a third of the required tour of duty] and then testified, under oath, before Congress that we, his comrades, had committed horrible war crimes..

“This testimony was a lie and slandered honorable men. We, who were actually there, believe he is unfit to command our sons and daughters.”<

SO-CALLED “WAR HERO” JOHN KERRY A FRAUD

But it's not about Kerry's long four months in-country, it's about what he said and did after his active duty service.

Go ahead, defend his actions.
 
Redress said:
So upset that Kerry is against leaving soldiers behind, but perfectly willing to use what are at best unproven allegations to defame some one. Classy!
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Hey Redress, it's only one deserter but trading five dangerous Taliban leaders who are allowed to wander around in Qatar and are completely free after one year is a problem. Especially when the military and intelligence community opposed it.

Obama having a Rose Garden ceremony celebrating the release of a deserter ???

This whole thing is strange.

Even Sen. Fenistein thinks it stinks.
 
My problem with this whole event has nothing to do with getting the US soldier back. It has to do with how it was done.

Of course we don't leave anyone behind, except when we do, and we have, because it isn't always possible.

What Obama did, has weakened this country, and put all the lives of civilians and military alike that are overseas at risk of abduction for ransom, or worse.

This has nothing to do with getting a guy back, but everything to do with how it was done.

Please stop, both sides that is, using Bergdahl as an excuse to either make the trade, or not make the trade. No honorable person in the military would agree with having their life saved in trade for those that these five terrorists will surely kill now that they've been released.

Bergdahl didn't make that choice. Obama did. We have no idea if Bergdahl would have agreed or not agreed given the choice? No one knows, but Bergdahl. It wasn't offered to him to choose. It was Obama that chose for him and for the nation. It was Obama's job to choose, and he chose against the safety of many for the safety of one, if not for some other reason that we know nothing about.

Please, stop using this young man as a political football, when the true debate should be regarding freeing five terrorists, and doing so without following the law requiring that the people's representatives in Congress be informed and given a chance to overrule the choice.

If Congress had been informed, and they agreed to this, I would be just as upset with them.

I've broken my promise to myself to not comment in this for a few days, but I had to interject in this thread in an attempt to put some sanity into the discussion.

This isn't about Bergdahl or getting a soldier back. It's about endangering the country and it's people. And, that should be enough for anyone to write novels about on here.
 
Kerry is the single greatest disappointment od all politicians. While he did serve in Nam and did toss his medals I thought he would at least have some backbone to stand up to his own party when he thought them to be wrong. Instead he lives as a spineless drip deceit and cowardice.
 
APACHERAT said:
Hey Redress, it's only one deserter but trading five dangerous Taliban leaders who are allowed to wander around in Qatar and are completely free after one year is a problem. Especially when the military and intelligence community opposed it.

Obama having a Rose Garden ceremony celebrating the release of a deserter ???

This whole thing is strange.

Even Sen. Fenistein thinks it stinks.
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Well, congratz, you entirely and totally failed to address a single thing I said. Well done!
 
The white house talking point is that we don't leave our military behind. We know that and we all agree with that. No point in making that the argument. We're all on board. The issue is the timing and methodology and rose garden photo op. There is no excuse for any of that.
 
I wonder if Kerry will think it is 'offensive' if/when innocent Americans are killed by one of the men Obama released in trade?

Sure, you make reasonable costs to get your soldiers home...but not at ALL costs.
 
APACHERAT said:
No ****, those are some of Kerry's shipmates that he abandoned after four long months in-country.

I wonder what all of the other officers and men in Kerry's swift-boat squadron had to say ?

Well we can go here and find out. -> WinterSoldier.com - <p>Swift Boat Veterans
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LOL....are you seriously going to post a link to the discredited Swift Boat liars? Some of whom came out and admitted that they lied and it was nothing more than a political smear? Too funny....
 
fmw said:
The white house talking point is that we don't leave our military behind. We know that and we all agree with that. No point in making that the argument. We're all on board. The issue is the timing and methodology and rose garden photo op. There is no excuse for any of that.
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The photo op was disgusting. I could not watch it.
 
NIMBY said:
right after the GOP House is sentenced for what it has intentionally done to obstruct since feb. 2011--let's have a downgrade--
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The house passes bills and sends them to the senate and "Dingy" Harry tables them and won't let them come to the floor for a vote.........Ove 100 of them.
 
Navy Pride said:
The house passes bills and sends them to the senate and "Dingy" Harry tables them and won't let them come to the floor for a vote.........Ove 100 of them.
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Of course a 1/3 of those were bills to defund the ACA so of course Harry should have **** canned 'em.... ;)

Seems most the bills Orange Boner of the House can send up are worthless partisan waste of time crap and political masturbatory theater for the TPs and hard right wingnuts... :2wave:
 
NIMBY said:
If Romney was President, he would be getting props from GOPs for the Nobel Peace Prize for Bergdahl's release.
I'm reminded of today's meeting between the Pope, Israel and the Palestinians.
Seems Israel's been okay trading over 1,000 Palestinians in the past, and the GOP got lots of love from Netanyahu in the 2012 election .
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You seem to be under the belief that this is all cut and dried. First, he traded away 5 high ranking terrorists for a low ranking soldier, which is not that way should have been done. Not to mention these terrorists will go right back to work targetting Americans and others. Then there is the matter of Bergdahl's character as a soldier. One official stated he served with honor and distinction.....REALLY? This deal was stupid on several levels.
 
disneydude said:
LOL....are you seriously going to post a link to the discredited Swift Boat liars? Some of whom came out and admitted that they lied and it was nothing more than a political smear? Too funny....
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It's obvious I already did post it.

>"Here's the breakdown: Of the 19 Swift boat skippers pictured, 12 oppose Kerry, 2 are neutral, two have died, and 3 now support Kerry. Of the four officers not present for the photo, 3 oppose Kerry and one is neutral."<
 
DA60 said:
I wonder if Kerry will think it is 'offensive' if/when innocent Americans are killed by one of the men Obama released in trade?

Sure, you make reasonable costs to get your soldiers home...but not at ALL costs.
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They'll blame it on Bush.
 
notquiteright said:
Of course a 1/3 of those were bills to defund the ACA so of course Harry should have **** canned 'em.... ;)

Seems most the bills Orange Boner of the House can send up are worthless partisan waste of time crap and political masturbatory theater for the TPs and hard right wingnuts... :2wave:
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Your going to have to show me a link or else it is just left wing bull****.........What about the other two thirds "DingY" has tabled? Why not bring them to a vote? "Dingy" knows that a lot of dems in red states will jump ship and vote for them.
 
American said:
You seem to be under the belief that this is all cut and dried. First, he traded away 5 high ranking terrorists for a low ranking soldier, which is not that way should have been done. Not to mention these terrorists will go right back to work targetting Americans and others. Then there is the matter of Bergdahl's character as a soldier. One official stated he served with honor and distinction.....REALLY? This deal was stupid on several levels.
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What would have happened to these Afghan "soldiers" then, since they're returning to combat, after we leave? Weren't they to be released anyway? How long would you like to hold the GITMO prisoners? I see this as the latest election card the GOP is playing since I first began distrusting NIXON. the fact that the GOP called for his release BEFORE the 2012 election is one of countless reasons for my cynicism towards them .
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't have any problem leaving a deserter behind.
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LOL....just a week ago NP was complaining that Obama didn't bring him home faster. Oops....that was NP before he got the Limbaugh/FauxNews talking points.
 
NIMBY said:
What would have happened to these Afghan "soldiers" then, since they're returning to combat, after we leave? Weren't they to be released anyway? How long would you like to hold the GITMO prisoners? I see this as the latest election card the GOP is playing since I first began distrusting NIXON. the fact that the GOP called for his release BEFORE the 2012 election is one of countless reasons for my cynicism towards them .
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You're changing the subject, this isn't about Gitmo or whether they would have been released anyway. It's about doing the right thing for the right reasons. Policy wasn't followed. We don't trade with terrorist groups. The Taliban aren't even the government. We gave them too much.
 
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