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Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Target banning people from carrying their guns in their stores does not do anything to anyone's Constitutional rights.

I agree, what I said and meant that it was asinine carrying rifles into the store. But I can understand why some people would think this is a good thing. After years and years of gun suppression laws, sometimes if one wants to maintain a right given to Americans as a whole, one has to at times go to the extremes as the other side with government backing has already carried all of this to the extremes. It is called for lack of a better word, push-back.
 
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So there's pressure on Target to restrict gun carrying. Now my own opinion is that open carry like this is more harmful to gun rights. If guns are OK, what else should openly allowed? Should we openly allow gay sex in the frozen foods aisle? You have that right too, right? It's my right to go barefoot, but they won't let me do that.
Wasn't that in Texass? well, if I ever shopped at target, and saw some looney tune carrying a rifle, I would exit the place immediately. Notice I said IF.
 
no doubt i'm in the minority on this... the majority does tend to **** it's pant in fear when they see a firearm in the open... well, unless it's attached to a government agent , anyways.

Americans, in general, are a scared people... so it's doesn't strike me as odd that many would be scared at the sight of a firearm.
at this point, it's an automatic condition for many.

I wouldn't carry a rifle shopping, because, well, it's too bulky and not very practical.... but every day i walk into a store.. usually Target or HEB.. i'm carrying.

these guys were obviously making a political statement... and it's a legal political statement... and i'm ok with that.

nobody was shot, nobody was killed...the rifles remained slung..nothing bad happened.

Just because you can legally do something diesnt mean you should.

A bunch of guys walking into Target with rifles may be legal and Target may allow it, but scaring the crap out if a bunch of soccer moms is stupid beyond words. Those idiots simply confirmed every negative stereotype that the general public may have about gun owners. Morons.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

I agree, what I said and meant that it was asinine carrying rifles into the store. But I can understand why some people would think this is a good thing. After years and years of gun suppression laws, sometimes if one wants to maintain a right given to Americans as a whole, one has to at times go to the extremes as the other side with government backing has already carried all of this to the extremes. It is called for lack of a better word, push-back.
agreed.... i find myself supporting this type of "blowback" for the reason you have stated... admitedly, it's not the most mature way to rationalize, but since when has maturity ever entered into this issue? ;)

in addition, i have no problem with Target banning firearms from their store ( in contrast to "their property"..that's a no-go.).. I most likely will not respect their policy, and in all likelihood, I'll ignore it without them ever knowing while I continue to carry concealed.... but i do believe they have the authority to set those types of policies.

I do find it interesting that folks automatically assume these guys are terrorists or up to no good though.... it's an interesting and far fetched assumption.... it's kinda like assuming every lottery ticket you buy is the big winner.. both assumptions ignore the numbers.
one would be infinitely more likely to be correct if they assumed these guys were simply carrying the rifles with no intention of ill will or harm.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

If the law of the state is open carry, open carry it is.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

How do you know they are unnecessary? Do you know if you'll be in a car accident before it happens? And if loaded guns are strapped to their hips or slung over shoulders, it seems they are properly secured....like you described. So what's your problem again?

He fears guns in the hands of others.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

But at what point is it OK for them to restrict things. Maybe my barefeet are a political statement, and I'm exercising my First Amendment rights. Why does the Second override the First?

which means you can protest outside any government owned building in your barefeet that you want to and they can do little about it.

a private company on the other hand is under no such restriction. just like this messageboard. they can lock and censor any post/thread they want to and there is no consitutional violation.

a private company has the right to restrict guns in their store.
target doesn't sell guns as far as i know. i have yet to be in a targets that sells sporting goods, and if they do it is a very small aisle with little on it.

if you want something like that go to walmart they have everything in there or another sports store.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

If the law of the state is open carry, open carry it is.

No sorry........
 
Just because you can legally do something diesnt mean you should.

A bunch of guys walking into Target with rifles may be legal and Target may allow it, but scaring the crap out if a bunch of soccer moms is stupid beyond words. Those idiots simply confirmed every negative stereotype that the general public may have about gun owners. Morons.

it's true that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.. absolutely.

then again, i'm not sure we need only to entertain the irrational fears of people to determine what we can or should do.

while i would not carry a rifle as a matter of practicality, we might want to look into whether these fears that folks so ardently express are valid.

now of course we all see the stories of mass killings, etc..but what is never emphasized is that your odds of this happening are extraordinarily rare... yet some believe that every gun they see is one that will shortly be used against them.
but, meh, it's to be expected when you have a decades long active fear campaign working towards that end.

that's not to say that vigilance should be abandoned... one absolutely should be vigilant... I fully expect for people to eyeball me if they find out i'm carrying.. i appreciate their vigilance, in fact.
it's just as irrational to completely ignore these guys as it is to be automatically be fearful of them.

of course, i can say this because i remember a day when these fears were not ever-present... when guns were carried without the masses going absolutely nuts over it.
hell, I can remember as a child of 11 or 12 walking into Mcdonalds with my rifle slung over my shoulder to get an ice cream cone after an afternoon of shooting cans.. and nobody batting an eye... no national media attention... nothin'
seeing a person openly carrying a handgun was fairly common.. it was simply no big deal.


but i do agree that in todays environment, it wasn't the smartest political stunt to pull... as evident by folks losing their everloving minds over this, including people who were not there.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

agreed.... i find myself supporting this type of "blowback" for the reason you have stated... admitedly, it's not the most mature way to rationalize, but since when has maturity ever entered into this issue? ;)

in addition, i have no problem with Target banning firearms from their store ( in contrast to "their property"..that's a no-go.).. I most likely will not respect their policy, and in all likelihood, I'll ignore it without them ever knowing while I continue to carry concealed.... but i do believe they have the authority to set those types of policies.

I do find it interesting that folks automatically assume these guys are terrorists or up to no good though.... it's an interesting and far fetched assumption.... it's kinda like assuming every lottery ticket you buy is the big winner.. both assumptions ignore the numbers.
one would be infinitely more likely to be correct if they assumed these guys were simply carrying the rifles with no intention of ill will or harm.

Exactly, what we have found is innocent citizens, law abiding citizens are the ones hurt most by all these gun laws. Criminal don't care about the laws.
 
Just because you can legally do something diesnt mean you should.

A bunch of guys walking into Target with rifles may be legal and Target may allow it, but scaring the crap out if a bunch of soccer moms is stupid beyond words. Those idiots simply confirmed every negative stereotype that the general public may have about gun owners. Morons.
The 2A trumps scaredy cat soccer moms.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

If the law of the state is open carry, open carry it is.

I still prefer to carry concealed.
I'll forgo an openly expressed deterrent in favor of a tactical advantage.... and i do this while keeping in mind that the odds that someone is there to do harm is extraordinarily low....
while other people feelings are a factor in my decision, they are not a paramount concern... I learned long ago that i have no control over a persons feelings.

that said, in some cases I have carried open.. primarily because carrying concealed in the hot summer months can be a pain in the ass.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Answer me this one question please.

Had Trayvon saw a gun on zimmermans person, Do you think trayvon still attacks the creepy *** cracka?

If Trevon excercised his 2nd amendment right and stood his ground the outcome would have been different.
 
The 2A trumps scaredy cat soccer moms.

their overall point is that scared soccer moms vote.. and they feel this is an idiotic stunt because it can be reasonably argued that such a stunt might cause those soccer moms to start to oppose the right to keep and bear arms.

I don't ,however, buy into the argument that this stuff will sway the fencesitters.. in my experience on this particular issue, there are no fencesitters.
those whom lose their minds are not fencesitters, their positions have been previously established.
 
I have problems with both so Target will have to weigh those of us who would feel mighty uncomfortable shopping around gun nuts carrying rifles and their supporters.

Suspect I'm part of a very large majority of shoppers.
Carrying a rifle doesn't make you a nut.

Shooting up a mall or theatre makes you a nut.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

If Trevon excercised his 2nd amendment right and stood his ground the outcome would have been different.

in that particular incident, TM initiated aggression... that would not change whether he was armed or not.... he would still being the wrong due to his initiation.

the outcome would be different though.. of that you would be correct...Z would be dead, and TM would be alive... still in the wrong, but alive.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

You sound like a cop, but private property is a semi-isssue here.

If gay couples can literally force bakeries to bake them cakes then were does our civil liberties lay? - these are questions I have pondered now for quite some time. Especially Prop8 which was democracy.... It's not the issues I'm concerned about it's the lack of respect for our Bill of Rights or even domestic/state ideas in which the government actually believes they can legislate your life away - if they go through the right channels.

I really just want to see the Constitution upheld and not abused and abused by the state or the federal government.

Here we go. It's OK to say "no gays," but not OK to say "no guns." Why is that?
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

The Best part is I agree, but when businesses are forced into progressive ideas that completely contradict the idea of individual freedom - I start to ask questions when the idea is smoke and mirrors or bull****.

Of course if you're Muslim tho.....

There is a difference between discirminating against people (such as refusing service because they are black) and discriminating against an OBJECT (like refusing guns on property).
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

which means you can protest outside any government owned building in your barefeet that you want to and they can do little about it.

a private company on the other hand is under no such restriction. just like this messageboard. they can lock and censor any post/thread they want to and there is no consitutional violation.

a private company has the right to restrict guns in their store.
target doesn't sell guns as far as i know. i have yet to be in a targets that sells sporting goods, and if they do it is a very small aisle with little on it.

if you want something like that go to walmart they have everything in there or another sports store.

And I agree. A private business can restrict guns if they wish.

The barefoot question was more rhetorical to those who think that you should be able to take guns anywhere without restriction, but other rights get thrown under the bus.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

If Trevon excercised his 2nd amendment right and stood his ground the outcome would have been different.

Were you there? Please we need new insight from an eyewitness.
 
I don't mean to ruin anyones fun.. but gays have nothing to do with guns.... gay sex in a store is in no way comparable to carrying a firearm.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

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Let's go to Target, mutha****as.
 
I don't mean to ruin anyones fun.. but gays have nothing to do with guns.... gay sex in a store is in no way comparable to carrying a firearm.


But why is it OK to not serve gays, but not OK to restrict guns in the store?

What if you're a Quaker and have a religious objection to violence? Why would someone's Second Amendment right overrule your First Amendment right?
 
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