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Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Yeah the Bill of RIGHTS is just that - the rights of the people. Now there is certain debate where the rights originated - weather it was Divine Provenience or numerous other factors - but anyway you acknowledge, analyze or ponder the Bill of Rights they were given to man - not to government.

The Magna Carta of 1212 clearly points this out - and is the prerequisite of our Bill of Rights, which gave individuals rights NOT the government.

This isn't a matter of opinion - it's fact..

And it is a FACT Private owners have the RIGHT to restrict people from carrying guns into their stores.
 
It is good to see the "rightists" push the rifle thing over-the-top in full view of Target America.
Hey gun extremists, please continue the rhetortical plunge off the Golden Gate Bridge .

What is a fishing extremist?
 
Not an anti-gunner--making you what ?
you sure do talk like one.... but maybe that's just you sidling up to your lil friends on the left and copying their rhetoric.

I'm an individual and constitutional rights extremist....
why aren't you?
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

And it is a FACT Private owners have the RIGHT to restrict people from carrying guns into their stores.

I love the notion that private businesses only have "rights" when YOU say they do..

I would love more examples.
 
what are you

Well, I'm asking you because if I wasn't shooting at targets or bagging some food - you would have a problem with my Garcia.

IMO, I don't think you give a rats ass what I kill and eat - what you're obsessed about what I do.

You're just obsessed with what others do.

You see - most people don't care what others do - apparently you do.

How about worry about yourself instead of others?
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Doesnt really seem like an issue for Target. This seems like a 'feel-good' preventative for a non-issue. I doubt many people feel the need or desire to carry a rifle into a dept. store. It also ignores the fact that while few people open carry, there will still be lots of people carrying concealed and people dont realize that they have guns around them anyway.

Seems unnecessary. And the gun laws for every state are different regarding signage and carrying in businesses. Target is in every state, isnt it?

In some states, the signs wouldnt mean anything and people could legally carry into the store. They could only be charged with trespassing if first asked to leave, and then refuses. This doesnt mean much if you are carrying concealed but a rifle would be obvious.

Other states must have specifically worded signes posted in specifically determined locations by entrances. If they dont mean those specifications, they dont mean anything.

Other states, a sign stating guns are not allowed do carry the force of the law and you cannot legally enter with a gun.


It all doesnt mean a whole lot when people planning a crime also plan to ignore the signs.
 
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So there's pressure on Target to restrict gun carrying. Now my own opinion is that open carry like this is more harmful to gun rights. If guns are OK, what else should openly allowed? Should we openly allow gay sex in the frozen foods aisle? You have that right too, right? It's my right to go barefoot, but they won't let me do that.

I've really enjoyed watching the straight sex in the aisles that they do encourage tho. Better...and cheaper...than porn.

That's completely acceptable. Just not the icky geigh stuff, right?
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

And it is a FACT Private owners have the RIGHT to restrict people from carrying guns into their stores.

The Best part is I agree, but when businesses are forced into progressive ideas that completely contradict the idea of individual freedom - I start to ask questions when the idea is smoke and mirrors or bull****.

Of course if you're Muslim tho.....
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

People have the right to keep and bear arms - that is in the Second Amendment. Now gay sex in the frozen food aisle is NOT a civil liberty (no matter how many progressives would love it to be).

I have absolutely no problem with concealed or open carry.

IMO, gun owners are more sane, knowledgeable and intelligent than your typical US citizen or illegal squatter.

I've never understood this whole "guns are bad" or "guns are scary" hysteria - and that's all it is - hysteria.

Besides, those who open carry do so not because they feel threatened but do so to make a political statement, and you better believe those guns are safely secured and are no danger to anyone.

Sometimes people open carry because that's their only option. In some states, it can take up to 18 months and $500 to get a concealed carry permit. (just one example) But OC is allowed without a permit.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

There's a good reason to fear random strangers coming heavily armed into a place of business where carrying a gun isn't necessary.


Now I'm supposed to believe that it's childish to worry about strangers in crowded public spaces with loaded guns strapped to their hips or slung over their shoulder. It goes against everything I've ever been taught about safely handling firearms.

How do you know they are unnecessary? Do you know if you'll be in a car accident before it happens? And if loaded guns are strapped to their hips or slung over shoulders, it seems they are properly secured....like you described. So what's your problem again?
 
I've really enjoyed watching the straight sex in the aisles that they do encourage tho. Better...and cheaper...than porn.

That's completely acceptable. Just not the icky geigh stuff, right?

Gay porn? I used to sell porn DVD's - you want gay prorn 60 bucks for 100 DVD's of that gay gay **** - straight good porn 150 for a 100 dvds.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Sometimes people open carry because that's their only option. In some states, it can take up to 18 months and $500 to get a concealed carry permit. (just one example) But OC is allowed without a permit.

A civil liberty should have no fees or restrictions attached,
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

There's a good reason to fear random strangers coming heavily armed into a place of business where carrying a gun isn't necessary.

I really don't understand the right wing on this topic. Just as an example, I've shot a fair amount of skeet/trap/sporting clays, but when I have the rule is your gun stays unloaded until you're up and it's your turn to shoot. THEN you load your gun, and when done, unload, or check to make sure. Similar rules were in force when I've shot at gun ranges - only load when you're up, keep the gun pointed at all time downrange, and when done unload, and let everyone see it's unloaded with a locked slide or whatever.

Now I'm supposed to believe that it's childish to worry about strangers in crowded public spaces with loaded guns strapped to their hips or slung over their shoulder. It goes against everything I've ever been taught about safely handling firearms.

We see strangers with loaded guns strapped to their hips every day. They're called police, so obviously its quite possible to carry a loaded gun safely. Now I know you'll say, but we KNOW the police have proper training and oversight. We don't know if that is the case for some random yahoo. Very true. But for me, unless I see someone acting in a manner that is unsafe or threatening, I don't see anything that is cause for alarm. And if I do see someone that raises an alert for me, I take responsibility for my own safety and get away from that individual as quickly as possible.

I will say that carrying rifles in public places like this is generally either political statements or attention whoring, as Goshin said, and sometimes the two are hard to distinguish. There is no real reason for it, but we don't need reasons to justify the exercise our rights. That's why they are called rights. Just as I agree that Target has the right to disallow rifles or guns or yellow shirts in their store. I just don't see the reason for fervor on either side. If someone wants to be an attention whore and carry a rifle, more power to you, as long as its done safely. If a company or individual doesn't want to allow that sort of thing on their property, more power to them as well. Of the two, I'd say the company's response is more "reasonable" since some people are obviously freaked out by the very sight of a weapon and it could affect their bottom line if gun toting attention whores scare away other customers. But again, there is nothing illegal about being a gun toting attention whore either. I just personally think there about a billion better things to do with your time.
 
Gay porn? I used to sell porn DVD's - you want gay prorn 60 bucks for 100 DVD's of that gay gay **** - straight good porn 150 for a 100 dvds.

I have no idea what porn costs.....there's plenty of free porn available....why pay for it?:)
 
I see this as a case of a store owner not allowing certain kinds of property in his store. Which is far more reasonable than a store owner benefiting from taxes paid by the populace and then deciding to discriminate against certain members of that populace. You can't walk into Target with a dog unless there are certain circumstances around the dog. You can't walk into target wearing a spandex thong. You can't even go into Target while riding a sled pulled by reindeer. So why should guns be any different?
 
I have no idea what porn costs.....there's plenty of free porn available....why pay for it?:)

I don't watch it man....

I sold it.....

It was super cheap and the return was insane..... It's difficult to sell online but if you can get a few thousand units into a retail environment you're making 4-6 times your initial investment - it's actually a very lucrative business.

I don't produce or watch the DVD's I have (in the past) just distributed them.... IM a CD guy that buys 100's to 10,000 at at time and got into porno distribution by accident and since I could make 6x on my initial investment the nasty factor went away quick,
 
I say it is a wonderful thing that gun fetishists want to open carry semi-automatic assault rifles into stores and restaurants. I personally encourage it.
Nothing will make the general population more uncomfortable with the gun fetishists crazies than that practice becoming common place.
I am for much stricter gun control and there is no faster way to achieve that goal than to allow open carry of assault rifles ...everywhere.
Lock, load and carry ...
Bring it ohn!
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

We see strangers with loaded guns strapped to their hips every day. They're called police, so obviously its quite possible to carry a loaded gun safely. Now I know you'll say, but we KNOW the police have proper training and oversight. We don't know if that is the case for some random yahoo. Very true. But for me, unless I see someone acting in a manner that is unsafe or threatening, I don't see anything that is cause for alarm. And if I do see someone that raises an alert for me, I take responsibility for my own safety and get away from that individual as quickly as possible.

I will say that carrying rifles in public places like this is generally either political statements or attention whoring, as Goshin said, and sometimes the two are hard to distinguish. There is no real reason for it, but we don't need reasons to justify the exercise our rights. That's why they are called rights. Just as I agree that Target has the right to disallow rifles or guns or yellow shirts in their store. I just don't see the reason for fervor on either side. If someone wants to be an attention whore and carry a rifle, more power to you, as long as its done safely. If a company or individual doesn't want to allow that sort of thing on their property, more power to them as well. Of the two, I'd say the company's response is more "reasonable" since some people are obviously freaked out by the very sight of a weapon and it could affect their bottom line if gun toting attention whores scare away other customers. But again, there is nothing illegal about being a gun toting attention whore either. I just personally think there about a billion better things to do with your time.

Cops are high school kids with a degree in bull**** er bullying or clowns that have a vendetta, who get their jollies off ****ing with people.

Any clown that uses the term "bad guy" in a redundant manner has a serious mental issue..... Am I a "bad guy" for being a bit tipsy on my way to get a cup of coffee 3 blocks way from my home?

Of course I am - because mommy and daddy put "bad guys" away - not simple pedestrians.

Cops make me want to puke - They're enforcers of the totalitarian regime..

I'd love to see nothing more than to see cops get severely hurt - because they would love nothing more than to kill them some "bad guys."
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

I've seen who the "bad guy" is and it is noting more than me, her or the next guy - that's the "bad guy"

The bad guy is also the guy with the ****ing cellphone - recording the tyranny that occurs on a regular basis, by claiming their Iphone can be used as a gun.... That's the dumbest **** I have eve heard..... I would love to hear the engineering behind that one - oh yeah it doesn't matter,

The truth is we have a bunch of kids with High School Deplomas telling us what our civil liberties are, when I bet half failed their civics exams but proclaim to be lawyers in the future so they can **** over some more "bad guys."
 
I have no idea what porn costs.....there's plenty of free porn available....why pay for it?:)

It's just a business. When I can get some I pay about 25cents a DVD (real dvd not bootleged) I sell them for 1-1.50 wholesale... Is it immoral or shady? yeah... But the markup is amazing.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

I think carrying rifles into a store is a bit asinine. But when people want to take away ones constitutional right, those in favor of retaining their rights will push back. I would never carry my rifle or shotgun into targets or any other store, but if I was wearing my .38 I would give it a second thought. But actions like this, carrying rifles in a Target store is what happens when some people want to trample on other people’s rights. Both sides go to the extremes.

Target banning people from carrying their guns in their stores does not do anything to anyone's Constitutional rights.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Would you have the same concern if an individual had a pocket knife? do you honestly believe a gun owner is any different than a knife owner?

I am not sure what you are trying to say. If someone has a knife and attacks me in a Target I have a good chance of fighting him off. If he starts opening fire with a rifle then I have less of a chance of fighting back. So yeah there is a difference.

As a gun enthusiast myself included gun owners are more than willing to safely show their firearms off in a more than safe matter - and on top of that tech gun safety...

I wish I could translate what you are trying to say here.


99.9% of gun crime is the result of stolen guns (at least in the lower 48) - yes accidents occur like every other job but the odds of a 20 ton piece of machinery is way falling on you is greater than being shot by a gun a legal gun owner is more obscure than being shot by a legal gun owned by a family member.
Making up statistics is fun. 99% of gun owners who feel the need to carry their rifles into Target with them have erectile dysfunction. See that was fun.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

So discrimination exists within the confines of a business yet the Bill of Rights stays at the door?

I love how modern Libertarians and progressives have ganged up to promote SOCIAL INJUSTICE.

Ignorance is fun too..... The 2nd amendment protects you from the government stopping you from owning a gun. It does not apply to someone telling you you can't bring your gun into their business. Now you can get the local government to pass a law to allow it, but until it becomes illegal to stop you they are in the right and your 2nd rights are still intact.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

You sound like a cop, but private property is a semi-isssue here.

If gay couples can literally force bakeries to bake them cakes then were does our civil liberties lay? - these are questions I have pondered now for quite some time. Especially Prop8 which was democracy.... It's not the issues I'm concerned about it's the lack of respect for our Bill of Rights or even domestic/state ideas in which the government actually believes they can legislate your life away - if they go through the right channels.

I really just want to see the Constitution upheld and not abused and abused by the state or the federal government.

OMG are people just not able to learn or choose not to read.
1. The bakery was in a place with an anti-discrimination law. Th law is Constitutional and so if they want to operate a public business they have to follow the law. It is that simple.

2. Prop 8 violates the rights of citizens. You can't pass a law that violates the Constitution even if a majority wants it.

3. Funny you are upset that the public should be able to pass a proposition to limit rights and then say something about the state taking your life away.

Go back and read the thread and try again.
 
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