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Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

I think carrying rifles into a store is a bit asinine. But when people want to take away ones constitutional right, those in favor of retaining their rights will push back. I would never carry my rifle or shotgun into targets or any other store, but if I was wearing my .38 I would give it a second thought. But actions like this, carrying rifles in a Target store is what happens when some people want to trample on other people’s rights. Both sides go to the extremes.

These types of protests should never have come to this fruition...

Progressives have done everything legally possible to repeal the Second Amendment and since that didn't "pan out" those who support the Second Amendment are proud that their constitutional rights have been Upheld - and rightly so IMO.

Municipalities such as Chicago/Crook County are next...
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

People have the right to keep and bear arms - that is in the Second Amendment. Now gay sex in the frozen food aisle is NOT a civil liberty (no matter how many progressives would love it to be).

I have absolutely no problem with concealed or open carry.

IMO, gun owners are more sane, knowledgeable and intelligent than your typical US citizen or illegal squatter.

I've never understood this whole "guns are bad" or "guns are scary" hysteria - and that's all it is - hysteria.

Besides, those who open carry do so not because they feel threatened but do so to make a political statement, and you better believe those guns are safely secured and are no danger to anyone.

Why would any sane person "believe" such a thing. They're strangers. Why would I assume they both care to and HAVE properly 'secured' their weapons and don't pose any danger?

If you're an experienced gun owner, the first thing you'd do if one of them handed you their weapon is check it, to see that it IS unloaded, or if loaded the safety properly set. So you wouldn't assume, or shouldn't, that anyone that person HAD properly 'secured' his weapon. Similarly, when walking next to some yahoo with a rifle slung over his shoulder, I can promise you I'll assume he's an idiot and that thing is one unfortunate bump from discharging, putting me in danger.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

These types of protests should never have come to this fruition...

Progressives have done everything legally possible to repeal the Second Amendment and since that didn't "pan out" those who support the Second Amendment are proud that their constitutional rights have been Upheld - and rightly so IMO.

Municipalities such as Chicago/Crook County are next...

I agree, it should have never came to that. I have always been of the opinion the government or anyone else for that matter has no right to know what guns I own or have.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Target absolutely has a right to say what you can or cannot do on their property. If they don't want people bringing guns in their doors, that is their prerogative. That said, I don't personally favor such a ban. Some one carrying a rifle slung on their shoulder doesn't bother me, as long as its done in a safe manner.

I don't get the freak out reaction on both sides. Some people are all like "Oh my God, a gun! Run for the hills!" and others act as if Target or Chipolte is somehow infringing upon their rights to own a gun. To me both sides need to just calm down and chill a little.

There's a good reason to fear random strangers coming heavily armed into a place of business where carrying a gun isn't necessary.

I really don't understand the right wing on this topic. Just as an example, I've shot a fair amount of skeet/trap/sporting clays, but when I have the rule is your gun stays unloaded until you're up and it's your turn to shoot. THEN you load your gun, and when done, unload, or check to make sure. Similar rules were in force when I've shot at gun ranges - only load when you're up, keep the gun pointed at all time downrange, and when done unload, and let everyone see it's unloaded with a locked slide or whatever.

Now I'm supposed to believe that it's childish to worry about strangers in crowded public spaces with loaded guns strapped to their hips or slung over their shoulder. It goes against everything I've ever been taught about safely handling firearms.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

I don't know why anyone would want to lug a rifle around in a Target store, when they could just have a pistol on their belt.



Unless they expect to be ambushed between Target and home, and that's kind of a different issue of something being wrong...



About the only reason to do so is as a political statement, or else sheer attention-whoring... and it is often hard to tell the two apart.



Don't get me wrong; I am about as pro-gun as it gets, and I favor open carry in general... but I can't see lugging a rifle around in Target while shopping (unless I believed I was under serious and imminent threat, and if I was under serious/imminent threat WTF am I shopping for??)


Walking down the road or street with a rifle, that's one thing, there are a number of legitimate reasons to do that... wandering around Target or the mall or entering a restaurant with one is odd even to me. Addendum: if it was in a case or gun bag that would be far more reasonable than carrying it around at low-ready.

This is pretty much my sentiments exactly. I get why they're doing it, its pretty much a protest agains those that say they open carry should be illegal. Think they're being counter productive here. They can easily get the same message across by simply open carrying a holstered pistol, which is much more practical for day to day protection.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

I think carrying rifles into a store is a bit asinine. But when people want to take away ones constitutional right, those in favor of retaining their rights will push back. I would never carry my rifle or shotgun into targets or any other store, but if I was wearing my .38 I would give it a second thought. But actions like this, carrying rifles in a Target store is what happens when some people want to trample on other people’s rights. Both sides go to the extremes.

Yeah a group of guys carrying rifles into Target as a form of protest is pretty much a public relations disaster waiting to happen. While asserting their rights - which don't exist inside a private establishment - they're pushing alot of fence sitters to the other side. Stupid
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Why would any sane person "believe" such a thing. They're strangers. Why would I assume they both care to and HAVE properly 'secured' their weapons and don't pose any danger?

If you're an experienced gun owner, the first thing you'd do if one of them handed you their weapon is check it, to see that it IS unloaded, or if loaded the safety properly set. So you wouldn't assume, or shouldn't, that anyone that person HAD properly 'secured' his weapon. Similarly, when walking next to some yahoo with a rifle slung over his shoulder, I can promise you I'll assume he's an idiot and that thing is one unfortunate bump from discharging, putting me in danger.

Would you have the same concern if an individual had a pocket knife? do you honestly believe a gun owner is any different than a knife owner?

As a gun enthusiast myself included gun owners are more than willing to safely show their firearms off in a more than safe matter - and on top of that tech gun safety...

99.9% of gun crime is the result of stolen guns (at least in the lower 48) - yes accidents occur like every other job but the odds of a 20 ton piece of machinery is way falling on you is greater than being shot by a gun a legal gun owner is more obscure than being shot by a legal gun owned by a family member.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Yeah a group of guys carrying rifles into Target as a form of protest is pretty much a public relations disaster waiting to happen. While asserting their rights - which don't exist inside a private establishment - they're pushing alot of fence sitters to the other side. Stupid

So discrimination exists within the confines of a business yet the Bill of Rights stays at the door?

I love how modern Libertarians and progressives have ganged up to promote SOCIAL INJUSTICE.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

So discrimination exists within the confines of a business yet the Bill of Rights stays at the door?

I love how modern Libertarians and progressives have ganged up to promote SOCIAL INJUSTICE.


Yes. The Bill of Rights applies to the government. It does not apply to private parties.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Would you have the same concern if an individual had a pocket knife? do you honestly believe a gun owner is any different than a knife owner?

Silly comparison in my view. That knife can't 'accidentally' discharge. And even if that knife owner loses it and attacks me, I have a very good chance of surviving a stab wound - not so much with a 9mm round. Guns =/= knives, which is why the 2nd Amendment didn't cover pocket knives, and we don't send soldiers into battle armed with pocket knives. Firearms are incredibly efficient killing machines, knives, except in the most expert hands in some situations, are not.

And you assume into the equation a responsible gun owner like yourself. Why would anyone do that? You don't know that gun owner (most likely) so why would you assume he's had proper training and is a conscientious person? I wouldn't, and even if I knew the person, I'd still ask them to unload before entering my house, preferably store the gun in their car or another secure location. This didn't used to be controversial - just common sense gun safety. Now I'm supposed to disregard it all. I don't get it.

As a gun enthusiast myself included gun owners are more than willing to safely show their firearms off in a more than safe matter - and on top of that tech gun safety...

99.9% of gun crime is the result of stolen guns (at least in the lower 48) - yes accidents occur like every other job but the odds of a 20 ton piece of machinery is way falling on you is greater than being shot by a gun a legal gun owner is more obscure than being shot by a legal gun owned by a family member.

I think you've made up that stat.... But more importantly, I don't know why I should assume that armed person is a "good guy with a gun" (in NRA speak). Or that if even marginally provoked will remain a good guy with a gun and not a nutjob who settles a disagreement over his place in line by shooting the guy he's fighting.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Yes. The Bill of Rights applies to the government. It does not apply to private parties.

The Bill of rights LIMITS the governments NOT empowers the governments..
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

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Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

The Bill of rights LIMITS the governments NOT empowers the governments..

The Bill of Rights is a (partial) listing of rights that the government must respect. Until the early 1900s it applied only to the Federal government. After that, under the incorporation doctrine, most of the BoR also applied to the states.

It does not apply to private citizens.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Silly comparison in my view. That knife can't 'accidentally' discharge. And even if that knife owner loses it and attacks me, I have a very good chance of surviving a stab wound - not so much with a 9mm round. Guns =/= knives, which is why the 2nd Amendment didn't cover pocket knives, and we don't send soldiers into battle armed with pocket knives. Firearms are incredibly efficient killing machines, knives, except in the most expert hands in some situations, are not.

And you assume into the equation a responsible gun owner like yourself. Why would anyone do that? You don't know that gun owner (most likely) so why would you assume he's had proper training and is a conscientious person? I wouldn't, and even if I knew the person, I'd still ask them to unload before entering my house, preferably store the gun in their car or another secure location. This didn't used to be controversial - just common sense gun safety. Now I'm supposed to disregard it all. I don't get it.



I think you've made up that stat.... But more importantly, I don't know why I should assume that armed person is a "good guy with a gun" (in NRA speak). Or that if even marginally provoked will remain a good guy with a gun and not a nutjob who settles a disagreement over his place in line by shooting the guy he's fighting.

Yeah like I have previously stated - nations where guns are banned have an epic problem with mass stabbings, the UK, China, North Korea etc.... I suppose that proves humans kill humans and not guns. A murder tool is just that and it's the individual that takes advantage - because people are killers not weapons....

You just want a political debate instead of logic.... I'm not going to give you that opportunity, because you have no argument other than people are bad and like guns.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Yeah like I have previously stated - nations where guns are banned have an epic problem with mass stabbings, the UK, China, North Korea etc.... I suppose that proves humans kill humans and not guns. A murder tool is just that and it's the individual that takes advantage - because people are killers not weapons....

You just want a political debate instead of logic.... I'm not going to give you that opportunity, because you have no argument other than people are bad and like guns.

I've purposely kept my comments non-political, and have been very careful not to disparage gun owners - I am one. Most, the vast majority in my experience, are good, responsible people, but my point was I DO NOT KNOW THEM ALL so why would anyone assume that guy with the rifle is one of them, and is safety conscious, has had good training and practices what he's learned.

Have you ever shot on a range? Did they allow those not shooting to keep their firearms loaded and ready? It's been a while for me, so maybe rules have changed and now everyone is locked and loaded at all times....
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

The Bill of Rights is a (partial) listing of rights that the government must respect. Until the early 1900s it applied only to the Federal government. After that, under the incorporation doctrine, most of the BoR also applied to the states.

It does not apply to private citizens.

Yeah the Bill of RIGHTS is just that - the rights of the people. Now there is certain debate where the rights originated - weather it was Divine Provenience or numerous other factors - but anyway you acknowledge, analyze or ponder the Bill of Rights they were given to man - not to government.

The Magna Carta of 1212 clearly points this out - and is the prerequisite of our Bill of Rights, which gave individuals rights NOT the government.

This isn't a matter of opinion - it's fact..
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

I've purposely kept my comments non-political, and have been very careful not to disparage gun owners - I am one. Most, the vast majority in my experience, are good, responsible people, but my point was I DO NOT KNOW THEM ALL so why would anyone assume that guy with the rifle is one of them, and is safety conscious, has had good training and practices what he's learned.

Have you ever shot on a range? Did they allow those not shooting to keep their firearms loaded and ready? It's been a while for me, so maybe rules have changed and now everyone is locked and loaded at all times....

You ever think if you changed "gun owners" to "blacks" there would be a different outcome??

Progressives would take a **** on you.

I know you don't want to make this a political issue, yet it is and progressives want it to be.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

Yeah the Bill of RIGHTS is just that - the rights of the people. Now there is certain debate where the rights originated - weather it was Divine Provenience or numerous other factors - but anyway you acknowledge, analyze or ponder the Bill of Rights they were given to man - not to government.

The Magna Carta of 1212 clearly points this out - and is the prerequisite of our Bill of Rights, which gave individuals rights NOT the government.

This isn't a matter of opinion - it's fact..

I never said they weren't rights of the people. What I said was that they are rights that GOVERNMENT has to respect. I, as a private citizen, largely do not have to respect those rights on my property. Here's a excerpt from wikipedia:

The Bill of Rights is the collective name for the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. Proposed to assuage the fears of Anti-Federalists who had opposed Constitutional ratification, these amendments guarantee a number of personal freedoms, limit the government's power in judicial and other proceedings, and reserve some powers to the states and the public. While originally the amendments applied only to the federal government, most of their provisions have since been extended to the states by way of the Fourteenth Amendment, a process known as incorporation.

from United States Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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So there's pressure on Target to restrict gun carrying. Now my own opinion is that open carry like this is more harmful to gun rights. If guns are OK, what else should openly allowed? Should we openly allow gay sex in the frozen foods aisle? You have that right too, right? It's my right to go barefoot, but they won't let me do that.

I have no problem with these guys openly carrying...and I have no problem with Target allowing it.
 
It is good to see the "rightists" push the rifle thing over-the-top in full view of Target America.
Hey gun extremists, please continue the rhetortical plunge off the Golden Gate Bridge .
 
I have no problem with these guys openly carrying...and I have no problem with Target allowing it.

I have problems with both so Target will have to weigh those of us who would feel mighty uncomfortable shopping around gun nuts carrying rifles and their supporters.

Suspect I'm part of a very large majority of shoppers.
 
I have problems with both so Target will have to weigh those of us who would feel mighty uncomfortable shopping around gun nuts carrying rifles and their supporters.

Suspect I'm part of a very large majority of shoppers.

no doubt i'm in the minority on this... the majority does tend to **** it's pant in fear when they see a firearm in the open... well, unless it's attached to a government agent , anyways.

Americans, in general, are a scared people... so it's doesn't strike me as odd that many would be scared at the sight of a firearm.
at this point, it's an automatic condition for many.

I wouldn't carry a rifle shopping, because, well, it's too bulky and not very practical.... but every day i walk into a store.. usually Target or HEB.. i'm carrying.

these guys were obviously making a political statement... and it's a legal political statement... and i'm ok with that.

nobody was shot, nobody was killed...the rifles remained slung..nothing bad happened.
 
Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

I never said they weren't rights of the people. What I said was that they are rights that GOVERNMENT has to respect. I, as a private citizen, largely do not have to respect those rights on my property. Here's a excerpt from wikipedia:



from United States Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You sound like a cop, but private property is a semi-isssue here.

If gay couples can literally force bakeries to bake them cakes then were does our civil liberties lay? - these are questions I have pondered now for quite some time. Especially Prop8 which was democracy.... It's not the issues I'm concerned about it's the lack of respect for our Bill of Rights or even domestic/state ideas in which the government actually believes they can legislate your life away - if they go through the right channels.

I really just want to see the Constitution upheld and not abused and abused by the state or the federal government.
 
It is good to see the "rightists" push the rifle thing over-the-top in full view of Target America.
Hey gun extremists, please continue the rhetortical plunge off the Golden Gate Bridge .

god, you anti-gunners must really be pissed off that we have our constitutional rights...

good.
 
god, you anti-gunners must really be pissed off that we have our constitutional rights...

good.

Not an anti-gunner--making you what ?
 
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