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Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

Paul's libertarian beliefs will sink him, of particular note, he is against the public accommodations portion of the CRA of 1964. And there is video of him saying so.

And while that may help him win the right wing primaries - it will indeed kill him in the general. Hopefully it will be a repeat of 64.

The question then becomes what does the GOP do in response to that sort of debacle and what to the righties do when the toiler is flushed and they are swirling downwards?
 
I do not think the Democrats really need a candidate of the stature of IKE. If you take all the states Obama won by 5 points or more and add them up, that is 272 electoral votes. 2 more than what is needed to win. I call those state Democratic trustworthy states. They do not include Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina or Florida. The GOP trustworthy states add up to just 191.
To this day I remember as a kid chanting. "Stevenson, Stevenson, that the reason I like Ike." My family were Republicans, by the way.
 
If Paul gets the nomination he will get completely and utterly crucified by all his libertarianish positions that are on record. Front and center will be the various civil rights laws and he will come out defending the ability to be a bigot - which might fly on a right leaning site like this one with its libertarian crowd but will absolutely get him killed (politically speaking) with the general public. Paul will be the guy who wants to let bigots turn away minorities from their businesses and it will keep him with the independent voter.

Like it or not - Romney had the best shot to overcome the electoral math you pointed out - and even then he lost. So who replaces Romney and is able to get by the far right loons?

For 2012, I think the one who had the best chance of unseating a vulnerable sitting president was Daniels from Indiana who sat on the sidelines. Pawlenty of Minnesota if give a better chance might have been able to attract more indies than Romney although Romney and Obama split the independent vote 50-50. For 2012 I think the question the Republicans need to ask themselves is who do they have than can win roughly 55% of the independent vote. With a smaller base, this is a must if they are going to win in 2016.
 
To this day I remember as a kid chanting. "Stevenson, Stevenson, that the reason I like Ike." My family were Republicans, by the way.

I can remember the jingle, "I like IKE, You like Ike, Everyone likes IKE." My dad was an old yeller dog Democrat and I am sure he voted Stephenson, but my mom, she never said whom she voted for.
 
I can remember the jingle, "I like IKE, You like Ike, Everyone likes IKE." My dad was an old yeller dog Democrat and I am sure he voted Stephenson, but my mom, she never said whom she voted for.

 
For 2012, I think the one who had the best chance of unseating a vulnerable sitting president was Daniels from Indiana who sat on the sidelines. Pawlenty of Minnesota if give a better chance might have been able to attract more indies than Romney although Romney and Obama split the independent vote 50-50. For 2012 I think the question the Republicans need to ask themselves is who do they have than can win roughly 55% of the independent vote. With a smaller base, this is a must if they are going to win in 2016.

I also thought Daniels was a possibility but it seemed that the situation with his wife and family took him off the board.
One way they can win independents is if the Dems overreach and nominate somebody who can be vilified as a far leftist - perhaps Cuomo of New York of the senator from Massachusetts Warren - both from states than can be demonized in the hinterlands as bastions of liberalism.
 
So 500 people of the 1,500 present were allowed to vote, and paid for the privilege. Small sample size, skewed poll base ... meaningless.

In fairness, for nearly a third of the voters, Ted Cruz paid for that privilege on their behalf.
 
In fairness, for nearly a third of the voters, Ted Cruz paid for that privilege on their behalf.

Really?
Cruz actually spent money on this meaningless farce?
One more reason to disqualify the guy---lack of fiscal responsibility.
 
I also thought Daniels was a possibility but it seemed that the situation with his wife and family took him off the board.
One way they can win independents is if the Dems overreach and nominate somebody who can be vilified as a far leftist - perhaps Cuomo of New York of the senator from Massachusetts Warren - both from states than can be demonized in the hinterlands as bastions of liberalism.

Possible, those presidential candidates from New England haven't faired too good lately. Romney lost to someone from Illinois, Hillary then a NY Senator lost to someone from Illinois, Kerry lost to someone from Texas. Dukukis lost to Bush SR. Must be something in the water up there.
 
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz has won the latest presidential straw poll at a conservative summit in Louisiana.

Cruz took 30 percent of the vote at the Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans. He edged out conservative speaker and author Ben Carson.

Read more here: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit




What doe's anyone think about this?

My thoughts are that neither Cruz, nor Carson will ever see the inside of the White House except as guests.

I doubt that either one of them will be the GOP's candidate.

I think you're right about Ben Carson.

Ted Cruz is a different story. I think more americans support the shutdown then is being let on. Cruz is also educated and articulate, he hasn't gone off the religious deep end, except a couple panders to the base.

I don't like Cruz that much myself, but if it came down to him versus Hillary, probably Cruz would be my pick. purely because I can't stand hillary. I almost wish Bernie Sanders would run for president, I'd vote for him....
 
this was the best one ... sublime ... subtle .... the penultimate understatement....


(High Quality) Famous "Daisy" Attack Ad from 1964 Presidential Election - YouTube

okay - maybe not so subtle.... they don't make em like that anymore

I voted for Barry and consider him my political mentor after all these years. I can remember another ploy of LBJ, him saying if you vote for Goldwater that soon our boys would be involved in another land war in Asia. Guess he was right, I voted for Goldwater and sure enough, we were soon involved in another land war in Asia. He told the truth about that.
 
I voted for Barry and consider him my political mentor after all these years. I can remember another ploy of LBJ, him saying if you vote for Goldwater that soon our boys would be involved in another land war in Asia. Guess he was right, I voted for Goldwater and sure enough, we were soon involved in another land war in Asia. He told the truth about that.

if veitnam had never happened, LBJ would forever be remembered as the greatest reform president of the 20th century since FDR.
 
if veitnam had never happened, LBJ would forever be remembered as the greatest reform president of the 20th century since FDR.

The top three greatest presidents are Washington, Lincoln and FDR and LBJ wouldn't have joined them. But he certainly would have qualified as a near great president whereas even with Vietnam historians have LBJ rated above average. The greatest reformer since FDR, yeah that is true.
 
The top three greatest presidents are Washington, Lincoln and FDR and LBJ wouldn't have joined them. But he certainly would have qualified as a near great president whereas even with Vietnam historians have LBJ rated above average. The greatest reformer since FDR, yeah that is true.
Try telling the resident expert on everything TurtleDude that FDR was one of the three greatest Presidents.
Btw, I tapped on to a thread about Ted Cruz.
If Dems could be so lucky .
 
Try telling the resident expert on everything TurtleDude that FDR was one of the three greatest Presidents.
Btw, I tapped on to a thread about Ted Cruz.
If Dems could be so lucky .

There are serious common sense discussions and then there are only the partisan bickering.
 
i agree.

When do you think that's going to happen?

I do not see big business and the unions getting out of the back pockets of politicians anytime soon - especially since Citizens United upped the ante.

So, probably not in my lifetime, hopefully in my son's.

The Citizen's United thing made a whole generation of voters understand why the SCOTUS should be a primary concern when voting for POTUS.
 
The Dems... the party of Big Unions?

I clearly want Unions and Big Business out of the back pockets of our politicians. So yes, I aim that at both parties. Always have, always will.
 
I clearly want Unions and Big Business out of the back pockets of our politicians. So yes, I aim that at both parties. Always have, always will.
Yes yes, I understand that, we get it, you want money out of politics, are you offended by the Citizens United ruling?
 
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