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Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

j-mac said:
Nope...There is a classified file on him, and questions have to be answered....He doesn't get to do what he did, and just walk...At least I hope not.
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Bergdahl has a record of leaving his post going all the way back to training camp for the purpose of taking walks. If he was nabbed on one of these walks by the Taliban then that doesn't make him a deserter. These soldiers are being hysterical in blaming Bergdahl for every death in Paktika. The Pentagon has said there is no evidence to support their claims of men being killed as the result of a search for him and frankly they shouldn't even be out there complaining that they had to their duty as soldiers. That report you mentioned, the AR 15-6, described his entire unit as undisciplined and lacking in accountability so it will be interesting to see what else comes to light not only about Bergdahl, but about the men who are trying to smear him. Something stinks about this and the stench is emanating from the men trying to whip up a lynch mob in the media.
 
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Napoleon said:
Bergdahl has a record of leaving his post going all the way back to training camp for the purpose of taking walks. If he was nabbed on one of these walks by the Taliban then that doesn't make him a deserter. These soldiers are being hysterical in blaming Bergdahl for every death in Paktika. The Pentagon has said there is no evidence to support their claims of men being killed as the result of a search for him and frankly they shouldn't even be out there complaining that they had to their duty as soldiers. That report you mentioned, the AR 15-6, described his entire unit as undisciplined and lacking in accountability so it will be interesting to see what else comes to light not only about Bergdahl, but about the men who are trying to smear him. Something stinks about this and the stench is emanating from the men trying to whip up a lynch mob in the media.
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Ah yes. Smear the troops to protect the POTUS. Disgusting.:peace
 
Napoleon said:
Bergdahl has a record of leaving his post going all the way back to training camp for the purpose of taking walks. If he was nabbed on one of these walks by the Taliban then that doesn't make him a deserter. These soldiers are being hysterical in blaming Bergdahl for every death in Paktika. The Pentagon has said there is no evidence to support their claims of men being killed as the result of a search for him and frankly they shouldn't even be out there complaining that they had to their duty as soldiers. That report you mentioned, the AR 15-6, described his entire unit as undisciplined and lacking in accountability so it will be interesting to see what else comes to light not only about Bergdahl, but about the men who are trying to smear him. Something stinks about this and the stench is emanating from the men trying to whip up a lynch mob in the media.
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Actually, that would make him a deserter. But let's wait for the official investigation. Meanwhile.

President Obama's Dirty Deal - Charles Krauthammer, New York Daily News:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
Ah yes. Smear the troops to protect the POTUS. Disgusting.:peace
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First of all, there is nothing to protect the President from. In terms of the troops, I find it strange that they had nothing but praise for Bergdahl during the investigation of his disappearance but now, five years later, seem to be frantically attacking him and trying to cast doubt on his credibility in the media now that they know he is alive, rescued, and presently unable to defend himself. Why? What are they afraid he will say?
 
Napoleon said:
First of all, there is nothing to protect the President from. In terms of the troops, I find it strange that they had nothing but praise for Bergdahl during the investigation of his disappearance but now, five years later, seem to be frantically attacking him and trying to cast doubt on his credibility in the media now that they know he is alive, rescued, and presently unable to defend himself. Why?
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I don't believe you have accurate information.

As long ago as 2012 he was being called a deserter who caused the deaths of other soldiers.:peace

[h=3]Mixed reaction to Bergdahl's recovery by service members ...[/h]www.washingtonpost.com/...bergdahls.../3713e3ce-...The Washington Post


5 days ago - Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the only American soldier held prisoner in ... Bergdahl were explored in a long online comment that was posted a year ago beneath ... He also said that troops accept that although their fellow service ...
 
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Napoleon said:
I think I do.
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Are you kidding?:lamo

That link does nothing to exonerate Bergdahl. Please read the link at my last post. At least as far back as 2012 his fellow soldiers called him a deserter. Probably before that.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
Are you kidding?:lamp That link does nothing to exonerate Bergdahl. Please read the link at my last post. At least as far back as 2012 his fellow soldiers called him a deserter. Probably before that.:peace
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It highlights how these men have drastically changed their tune since Bergdahl has been rescued.
 
Napoleon said:
Bergdahl has a record of leaving his post going all the way back to training camp for the purpose of taking walks. If he was nabbed on one of these walks by the Taliban then that doesn't make him a deserter. These soldiers are being hysterical in blaming Bergdahl for every death in Paktika. The Pentagon has said there is no evidence to support their claims of men being killed as the result of a search for him and frankly they shouldn't even be out there complaining that they had to their duty as soldiers. That report you mentioned, the AR 15-6, described his entire unit as undisciplined and lacking in accountability so it will be interesting to see what else comes to light not only about Bergdahl, but about the men who are trying to smear him. Something stinks about this and the stench is emanating from the men trying to whip up a lynch mob in the media.
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The men who are trying to smear him? Seriously? Not the men who served with him, but "The Men who are trying to smear him." People who smear have no honor. So, by that logic, SGT Bergdahl is the honorable one . . . even though, according to you, "Bergdahl has a record of leaving his post going all the way back to training camp (Who calls it training camp? Is the military now Pro Football? This is a huge tell and indicates you should not speak about things you have no knowledge about) for the purpose of taking walks." Taking walks while in Basic or Boot? Where are you getting this from and as if it is defensible even if it happened in basic or boot camp training (yeah, he wouldn't get in trouble for that). What military did you serve in that allows for that kind of behavior?

Oh yeah, and the dishonorable guys who are "Smearing" him, are "hysterical," because they blame the deaths on Bergdahl. Would they have been on patrol anyway? Probably, but don't you think the scuttlebutt before every mission at that time had some thing to do with Bowe? In their eyes, they were searching for a walk off. What about that don't you understand? Then you claim it was an undisciplined unit. As if that makes THEIR perception have less of an impact than those who were crack troops. Have you ever existed at platoon level in the field? Who says the unit had NO discipline, and why does that warrant a change in how they should feel about Bowe Bergdahl? We are talking 2009 here. Not 40-years after a war an indicting a Senator that had already served multiple terms and been vetted. This is not Swift Boating. This is fresh. I'm a medically retired Navy Corpsman . . . I will believe platoon info long before I believe Pentagon info when it relates to 2009. But you go on and believe what you want to believe. My guys are hysterical and Bowe is being smeared.

You are right, something stinks. Your message and the disturbing visual images of a Pashto, Arabic speaking Daddy in the Rose Garden make my nose hairs curl. I am so far distanced from the Bat Shirt Crazy section of the GOP I can only be defined as Liberal in the modern day and age. It's not true, but it is what it is. The Bowe Bergdahl situation is a situation created by executive incompetence. Period. But you go on feeling how you feel.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
The men who are trying to smear him? Seriously? Not the men who served with him, but "The Men who are trying to smear him." People who smear have no honor. So, by that logic, SGT Bergdahl is the honorable one . . . even though, according to you, "Bergdahl has a record of leaving his post going all the way back to training camp (Who calls it training camp? Is the military now Pro Football? This is a huge tell and indicates you should not speak about things you have no knowledge about) for the purpose of taking walks." Taking walks while in Basic or Boot? Where are you getting this from and as if it is defensible even if it happened in basic or boot camp training (yeah, he wouldn't get in trouble for that). What military did you serve in that allows for that kind of behavior?

Oh yeah, and the dishonorable guys who are "Smearing" him, are "hysterical," because they blame the deaths on Bergdahl. Would they have been on patrol anyway? Probably, but don't you think the scuttlebutt before every mission at that time had some thing to do with Bowe? In their eyes, they were searching for a walk off. What about that don't you understand? Then you claim it was an undisciplined unit. As if that makes THEIR perception have less of an impact than those who were crack troops. Have you ever existed at platoon level in the field? Who says the unit had NO discipline, and why does that warrant a change in how they should feel about Bowe Bergdahl? We are talking 2009 here. Not 40-years after a war an indicting a Senator that had already served multiple terms and been vetted. This is not Swift Boating. This is fresh. I'm a medically retired Navy Corpsman . . . I will believe platoon info long before I believe Pentagon info when it relates to 2009. But you go on and believe what you want to believe. My guys are hysterical and Bowe is being smeared.

You are right, something stinks. Your message and the disturbing visual images of a Pashto, Arabic speaking Daddy in the Rose Garden make my nose hairs curl. I am so far distanced from the Bat Shirt Crazy section of the GOP I can only be defined as Liberal in the modern day and age. It's not true, but it is what it is. The Bowe Bergdahl situation is a situation created by executive incompetence. Period. But you go on feeling how you feel.
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I think Bergdahl Jr was easily influenced, and Bergdahl Sr actually helped to push his son into the Taliban arms.

Im not making any excuses for Bergdahl Jr, and consider him a deserter but I do think the old man was influential in his sons decision to leave base.
 
Napoleon said:
It highlights how these men have drastically changed their tune since Bergdahl has been rescued.
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Wrong. You can find his platoon were saying he was a deserter all the way back in 2010. Or are you referencing the administrations attempt at shutting them up with an NDA the American people could be kept in the dark?
 
Fenton said:
I think Bergdahl Jr was easily influenced, and Bergdahl Sr actually helped to push his son into the Taliban arms.

Im not making any excuses for Bergdahl Jr, and consider him a deserter but I do think the old man was influential in his sons decision to leave base.
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I can certainly understand why that perception exists.... we don't have the full story and I so much want to find out what really happened.
 
Blue_State said:
I thought we were going to try or release all the Guantanamo Bay prisoners a few years ago. 161 left.
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And we should release them all. I propose releasing them somewhere in the watery parts of the world. All of them. And of course they will have to be released outside of our claimed territorial waters. Two hundred miles out should do it.
 
cpwill said:
Because the IC has no input into whether or not he is promoted. The rule (it might even be law) is that POW's get promoted non-competitively, automatically.
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And that applies to those who are AWOL?

Strange Army this.
 
Lursa said:
3) there's the appearance of the (frequently detested) president ignoring Congress, the Constitution, and acting alone. This is a very very frightening thing for conservatives.
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But it barely bothers the ones who love the tyrant.

It is time for him to go. Firing squad is preferred but I could be convinced that some other method is appropriate.
 
Moot said:
I'm pretty sure the executive branch has studied the constitution and know where their authority lies. But I seriously doubt that congress does. It will be interesting to see if congress takes the issue to court....I'm guessing they won't because they can get more political mileage out of falsely accusing Obama of breaking the law than they can having their statute struck down as unconstitutional.
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One does not initially take this to court. This is reason for impeachment.
 
Ockham said:
I can certainly understand why that perception exists.... we don't have the full story and I so much want to find out what really happened.
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I was reading the Emails between son and Dad before he deserted and it sure seemed that way.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
You really think we should STILL be in Iraq? Really?

At what point do we leave? At what point do we stop spending our blood and treasure in such places? Or are you of the opinion that we should become the American Empire?

Here's a clue, guy, something the world began finding out after WWI: it's very, very difficult (in terms of blood and treasure) to occupy other nations if they don't want you there. That's why there were so many colonies before WWI, and pretty much none now. If we stayed, the people there would see us as occupiers, as colonizers, and - since they are Muslim - as crusaders...and that means a great deal to them - all bad.

But I guess that in your book, we're not patriots if we don't stand up for America's imperial aims to occupy other nations....
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Right. So let's drill here. Drill now. And leave the Middle East. Agreed?
 
DiavoTheMiavo said:
The men who are trying to smear him? Seriously? Not the men who served with him, but "The Men who are trying to smear him." People who smear have no honor.
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I don't believe these men have any honor. If you've got a problem with someone in your unit then you either deal with them directly, take it up with your commander(s), or keep the hole in your face shut until there's a hearing. Honorable men don't go slithering to the media to launch a vicious assault on a man's patriotism and loyalty, especially when the man you're accusing cannot defend himself. And they certainly should not be whining about performing their duty in searching for him.
 
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