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North Carolina GOP Pushes Unprecedented Bill to Jail Anyone Who Discloses Fracking Chemicals | Mother Jones

On Thursday, three Republican state senators introduced a bill that would slap a felony charge on individuals who disclosed confidential information about fracking chemicals. The bill, whose sponsors include a member of Republican party leadership, establishes procedures for fire chiefs and health care providers to obtain chemical information during emergencies. But as the trade publication Energywire noted Friday, individuals who leak information outside of emergency settings could be penalized with fines and several months in prison.


I think this really hurts the credibility of the GOP esp since they think climate change is a hoax yet blindly believe that what a corporation tells them is true. Also if you believe in whistleblower protections then this is pretty far removed from that. I don't see this ending well in the future. Perhaps some GOPers on the board can defend this action?
 
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This will never pass. Buncha fussin over nothin.
 
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voyager1 said:
North Carolina GOP Pushes Unprecedented Bill to Jail Anyone Who Discloses Fracking Chemicals | Mother Jones

On Thursday, three Republican state senators introduced a bill that would slap a felony charge on individuals who disclosed confidential information about fracking chemicals. The bill, whose sponsors include a member of Republican party leadership, establishes procedures for fire chiefs and health care providers to obtain chemical information during emergencies. But as the trade publication Energywire noted Friday, individuals who leak information outside of emergency settings could be penalized with fines and several months in prison.


I think this really hurts the credibility of the GOP esp since they think climate change is a hoax yet blindly believe that what a corporation tells them is true. Also if you believe in whistleblower protections then this is pretty far removed from that. I don't see this ending well in the future. Perhaps some GOPers on the board can defend this action?
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First, this is being taken completely out of context. This is in regard to trade secret law, which did not cover this industry, yet covers most every other industry.

Second, this will not pass in its current form, because it is too slanted and restricts public protections already granted by Federal Law in CERCLA's (Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act of 1980) and EPCRA's (Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act of 1986) Right-to-Know provisions which already protect trade secrets.

Third, when the slanting is removed and it is brought into compliance and symmetry with CERCLA and EPCRA, this law will pass, as it should. Why? Because even as the public has a Right-to-Know, industry has a right to protections of their competitive practices to ensure they are not hurt falsely or vindictively without just cause or for political or ideological reasons alone.
 
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First, this is being taken completely out of context. This is in regard to trade secret law, which did not cover this industry, yet covers most every other industry.

Second, this will not pass in its current form, because it is too slanted and restricts public protections already granted by Federal Law in CERCLA's (Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act of 1980) and EPCRA's (Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act of 1986) Right-to-Know provisions which already protect trade secrets.

Third, when the slanting is removed and it is brought into compliance and symmetry with CERCLA and EPCRA, this law will pass, as it should. Why? Because even as the public has a Right-to-Know, industry has a right to protections of their competitive practices to ensure they are not hurt falsely or vindictively without just cause or for political or ideological reasons alone.
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They're injecting this **** into the ground, putting my drinking water at risk. Yeah, I have a right to know what they're shoving in there.
 
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Deuce said:
They're injecting this **** into the ground, putting my drinking water at risk. Yeah, I have a right to know what they're shoving in there.
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Of course you do, if it actually affects your drinking water. If it doesn't, then no, you don't.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Of course you do, if it actually affects your drinking water. If it doesn't, then no, you don't.
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And who determines if it affects drinking water? Duke Energy? Southern Company? Or a handful of corporations in the country?
 
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If you want to enjoy trade secret protections for your fracking chemicals, you shouldn't pump them into the water table. If the community is expected to trust their health and safety to the fracking company, they need to be met halfway with transparency.
 
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voyager1 said:
And who determines if it affects drinking water? Duke Energy? Southern Company? Or a handful of corporations in the country?
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Extremely good question: The government. Google CERCLA and then Google EPCRA and then read them. Many of your concerns will be answered. As for disclosing the chemicals used, Google SARA (Superfund Amendments and Reauthorization Act - which is the other name for CERCLA) Title III Reporting to see exactly what those companies have been required to do and have been doing since 1986. I think you'll be surprised. It goes against the anti-fracking rhetoric that they are secretly pumping poison into our water. There's no secret cover-up. The government knows exactly what they're doing, and what they are doing it with.
 
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voyager1 said:
North Carolina GOP Pushes Unprecedented Bill to Jail Anyone Who Discloses Fracking Chemicals | Mother Jones

On Thursday, three Republican state senators introduced a bill that would slap a felony charge on individuals who disclosed confidential information about fracking chemicals. The bill, whose sponsors include a member of Republican party leadership, establishes procedures for fire chiefs and health care providers to obtain chemical information during emergencies. But as the trade publication Energywire noted Friday, individuals who leak information outside of emergency settings could be penalized with fines and several months in prison.


I think this really hurts the credibility of the GOP esp since they think climate change is a hoax yet blindly believe that what a corporation tells them is true. Also if you believe in whistleblower protections then this is pretty far removed from that. I don't see this ending well in the future. Perhaps some GOPers on the board can defend this action?
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Well, proprietary information is a corporations lifeblood sometimes. I can understand this since I have worked for four years in a department that did rapid research and development.
 
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Here is the actual bill. From page 13:

Penalties for Unlawful Disclosure.
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Except as provided in subsection (c) of this
39 section or as otherwise provided by law, any person who has access to confidential information
40 pursuant to this section and who discloses it knowing it to be confidential information to any
41 person not authorized to receive it shall be guilty of a Class I felony, and if knowingly or
42 negligently disclosed to any person not authorized, shall be subject to civil action for damages
43 and injunction by the owner of the confidential information, including, without limitation,
44 actions under Article 24 of Chapter 66 of the General Statutes.​

I believe that the fracking industry is run with mafia-like tactics: Con honest people out of their money and resources, corrupt the justice system, and above all, you'd better keep your mouth shut...or else.
 
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Why would anyone defend this nonsense?!

Anything that goes into OUR country's land that could affect us should be made public knowledge.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Of course you do, if it actually affects your drinking water. If it doesn't, then no, you don't.
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If they find chemicals in his drinking water, how do they know where to find where they came from and stop it?

How do they even know what to look for? Not everything shows up in testing.....
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Of course you do, if it actually affects your drinking water. If it doesn't, then no, you don't.
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And it doesn't so he don't.
 
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Lursa said:
If they find chemicals in his drinking water, how do they know where to find where they came from and stop it?

How do they even know what to look for? Not everything shows up in testing.....
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And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Fracking takes place so far below the water table that I can only conclude objections based on "drinking water" are either from people who don't know anything at all about fracking and are speaking from ignorance or from people who do know better but happily carry the party line even though they know it's complete bullcrap.
 
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rathi said:
If you want to enjoy trade secret protections for your fracking chemicals, you shouldn't pump them into the water table. If the community is expected to trust their health and safety to the fracking company, they need to be met halfway with transparency.
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They aren't pumpted into the water table. Learn something about fracking so you won't sound foolish when you talk about it.
 
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p.s. I live in a hotspot for fracking. I have fracking taking place a few miles from my home. I get my water from a well. I pump it out of the ground. I have zero concern about fracking because I understand how it works and what it does and doesn't do.
 
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Papa bull said:
And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Fracking takes place so far below the water table that I can only conclude objections based on "drinking water" are either from people who don't know anything at all about fracking and are speaking from ignorance or from people who do know better but happily carry the party line even though they know it's complete bullcrap.
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Well it's been documented....

Fracking Chemicals in Drinking Water | Chemicals Used in Fracking |

Hormone-Disrupting Chemicals Linked to Fracking Found in Colorado River – News Watch

USGS Finds Fracking Water Contamination in Wyoming

Fracking Tied to Drinking Water Damage by EPA Regional Official

Er....so much for it being 'bullcrap."
 
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Papa bull said:
p.s. I live in a hotspot for fracking. I have fracking taking place a few miles from my home. I get my water from a well. I pump it out of the ground. I have zero concern about fracking because I understand how it works and what it does and doesn't do.
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LOL Sounds like someone's been drinking the kool-aid, rather than the drinking water.

Just how flooded with their propaganda have you been deluged with? Do you have a contract?
 
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Lursa said:
Well it's been documented....

Fracking Chemicals in Drinking Water | Chemicals Used in Fracking |

Hormone-Disrupting Chemicals Linked to Fracking Found in Colorado River – News Watch

USGS Finds Fracking Water Contamination in Wyoming

Fracking Tied to Drinking Water Damage by EPA Regional Official

Er....so much for it being 'bullcrap."
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It's also been documented that outside of ground spills, which could occur with any industrial operation, the actual fracking does NOT affect groundwater because it happens too far below the surface.

How Anti-Fracking Activists Deny Science: Water Contamination

New Federal Study: Fracking Did Not Pollute Groundwater

Energy Department: Fracking doesn

Landmark-study alert: We still can’t actually find a link between fracking and groundwater contamination. Shocker. « Hot Air

Guest Post: Water Contamination – Fracking is not the problem | Plugged In, Scientific American Blog Network

New study finds fracking does not contaminate well water - 21 News Now, More Local News for Youngstown, Ohio -
 
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Lursa said:
LOL Sounds like someone's been drinking the kool-aid, rather than the drinking water.

Just how flooded with their propaganda have you been deluged with? Do you have a contract?
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Don't talk to me about drinking the koolaide. You wouldn't know fracking from a hemorrhoid but that doesn't stop you from repeating whatever you hear that suits your political perspective.

I have no contract. I just have a well with drinking water that is as sweet as bottled springwater. And I have fracking locations miles from my house and zero worries about their operations causing earthquakes or contaminating my drinking water because I understand the science and I understand the process and because I don't get my "facts" from tree hugging nitwits or pinko propaganda sites.
 
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Papa bull said:
Don't talk to me about drinking the koolaide. You wouldn't know fracking from a hemorrhoid but that doesn't stop you from repeating whatever you hear that suits your political perspective.

I have no contract. I just have a well with drinking water that is as sweet as bottled springwater. And I have fracking locations miles from my house and zero worries about their operations causing earthquakes or contaminating my drinking water because I understand the science and I understand the process and because I don't get my "facts" from tree hugging nitwits or pinko propaganda sites.
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The ground surrounding every site is different. Just because your well is ok means nothing. The fact that you dont realize that makes you look very silly.
 
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Papa bull said:
It's also been documented that outside of ground spills, which could occur with any industrial operation, the actual fracking does NOT affect groundwater because it happens too far below the surface.

How Anti-Fracking Activists Deny Science: Water Contamination

New Federal Study: Fracking Did Not Pollute Groundwater

Energy Department: Fracking doesn

Landmark-study alert: We still can’t actually find a link between fracking and groundwater contamination. Shocker. « Hot Air

Guest Post: Water Contamination – Fracking is not the problem | Plugged In, Scientific American Blog Network

New study finds fracking does not contaminate well water - 21 News Now, More Local News for Youngstown, Ohio -
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You should really read your links better. Stuff that was based studies before 2009? Not as widespread then at all.

And here's a good quote, the link was based on studying "one site.":
"This is good news,” said Duke University scientist Rob Jackson, but warned that a single study does not prove fracking can’t ever pollute since industry drilling practices vary widely throughout Pennsylvania and the country."

Yeah, it's all black and white to you....and because 'you 'believe' your community is benefiting, you've bought in, hook, line and sinker.
 
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Lursa said:
The ground surrounding every site is different. Just because your well is ok means nothing. The fact that you dont realize that makes you look very silly.
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You should eventually try to get on speaking terms with reality. Just sayin'.
 
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Papa bull said:
You should eventually try to get on speaking terms with reality. Just sayin'.
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I have a degree in Natural Resource Management. Lots of geology, hydrology, forestry....again, you make large incorrect assumptions based on limited info.
 
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Lursa said:
You should really read your links better. Stuff that was based studies before 2009? Not as widespread then at all.

And here's a good quote, the link was based on studying "one site.":
"This is good news,” said Duke University scientist Rob Jackson, but warned that a single study does not prove fracking can’t ever pollute since industry drilling practices vary widely throughout Pennsylvania and the country."

Yeah, it's all black and white to you....and because 'you 'believe' your community is benefiting, you've bought in, hook, line and sinker.
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Everything has risks. The risks with fracking are minimal and the potential harm actually quite minimal while the benefit is huge.

Fracking is here to stay, Chicken little rhetoric or not.
 
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