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White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

That's incorrect, Plame was transitioning from her status as a covert agent to an analyst at Langley. The reason Bob Novack knew she worked for the CIA was because Scooter Libby and Richard Armitage told him so. It wasn't because of the Vanity Fair article.

Oh, so you admit she was no longer working under a covert status? Thanks, Pete!
 
Straw man, the white house really screwed up and they need to "fix" the person(s) who did this. The mostly unrelated commentary in this thread is the real problem of this forum, completely unhinged.

Strawman? No - fact.
 
I read what you posted before I responded.

Compared to Bush, Obama looks like Einstein to me.

You see, it all depends on who's making the comparison. :lamo




"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward," ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

The difference to me of course are the results and results matter except to a liberal. This is the most incompetent Administration in history and that is saying something. There isn't one economic result that Obama has that is better than Bush and his foreign policy accomplishments are a disaster. The only thing he has going for him in the eyes of liberals is that he is transforming America into a European socialist economy and destroying our military.
 
Right wing media? Why is it every time that any issue is raised about Obama that the liberals/progressives in this forum resort to attacks on Bush and pointing out that Bush was reported to have done the same thing as Obama? If you truly disliked Bush that much and was against everything he did then why are you supporting Obama reportedly doing the same thing?

More straw men, I don't support Obama in everything he does. American brought up Valerie Plame playing the victim card on the first page before anyone even said anything. You guys do this in every thread, you lay down every card before anyone even responds and then spend pages throwing a fit about every unfair meme you can muster. It's ludicrous.
 
that's nice. meanwhile, Afghanistan has been a precipitating event in the decline of many empires. if our presidents would pick up a ****ing history book, they would know that.

it's time to get everyone out of there.

It's a good thing FDR didn't "pickup a history book" in 1941.
 
This administrations incompetence renews and overachieves on a daily basis. Glad to see you support that.
I remember the Bush Administration saying the Iraq war would take maybe 6 weeks and the oil revenues would pay for it.
 
Really? So, why was Armitage NEVER questioned during the investigation?
Yes he was.

Are you still confused about the memo...because you are avoiding it....completely.
 
More straw men, I don't support Obama in everything he does. American brought up Valerie Plame playing the victim card on the first page before anyone even said anything. You guys do this in every thread, you lay down every card before anyone even responds and then spend pages throwing a fit about every unfair meme you can muster. It's ludicrous.

Then you better change your leaning because everything he is doing supports that Progressive agenda. Bush was attacked because of Valerie Plame even though Bush didn't do anything yet Obama's Administration is being ignored because of the same thing Bush Administration was attacked for. So sorry, it is you and your liberal friends that have a double standard and are ludicrous. Being a progressive also makes you out of touch with reality.
 
Oh, so you admit she was no longer working under a covert status? Thanks, Pete!
I didn't admit to any such thing.

FITZGERALD: The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well- known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security.

Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003.

But Mr. Novak was not the first reporter to be told that Wilson's wife, Valerie Wilson, Ambassador Wilson's wife Valerie, worked at the CIA. Several other reporters were told.

In fact, Mr. Libby was the first official known to have told a reporter when he talked to Judith Miller in June of 2003 about Valerie Wilson.

Now, something needs to be borne in mind about a criminal investigation.​
Transcript of Special Counsel Fitzgerald's Press Conference
 
I remember the Bush Administration saying the Iraq war would take maybe 6 weeks and the oil revenues would pay for it.

Yes, I remember when Obama Administration said the stimulus would keep unemployment from exceeding 8% and would generate shovel ready jobs that would halve the deficit. I also remember when Obamacare wasn't supposed to cost the American taxpayers a dime and would be fully funded. Yes, amazing memory you have on what happened over a decade ago but cannot remember what is happening now.
 
I didn't admit to any such thing.

FITZGERALD: The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well- known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security.

Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003.

But Mr. Novak was not the first reporter to be told that Wilson's wife, Valerie Wilson, Ambassador Wilson's wife Valerie, worked at the CIA. Several other reporters were told.

In fact, Mr. Libby was the first official known to have told a reporter when he talked to Judith Miller in June of 2003 about Valerie Wilson.

Now, something needs to be borne in mind about a criminal investigation.​
Transcript of Special Counsel Fitzgerald's Press Conference

Novack confirmed that it was Armitage that told him about Plame, not Libby. Why wasn't Armitage EVER questioned?
 
I remember the Bush Administration saying the Iraq war would take maybe 6 weeks and the oil revenues would pay for it.




I also remember that.

I wonder if anyone on the right remembers the Neo-cons spreading that bull**** all over the news,eh?
 
Novack confirmed that it was Armitage that told him about Plame, not Libby. Why wasn't Armitage EVER questioned?
Armitage gave testimony 4 times during the Plame investigations.

You still won't go near the memo.....


And Libby leaked to Miller, Rove leaked to Cooper.
 
Then you better change your leaning because everything he is doing supports that Progressive agenda. Bush was attacked because of Valerie Plame even though Bush didn't do anything yet Obama's Administration is being ignored because of the same thing Bush Administration was attacked for. So sorry, it is you and your liberal friends that have a double standard and are ludicrous. Being a progressive also makes you out of touch with reality.

The two situations are quite different, the outing of the CIA agent in Afghanistan was done by mistake. The outing of Valerie Plame was done on purpose, but at the time the didn't know she was covert. They wanted to embarrass Joe Wilson.
 
Then you better change your leaning because everything he is doing supports that Progressive agenda. Bush was attacked because of Valerie Plame even though Bush didn't do anything yet Obama's Administration is being ignored because of the same thing Bush Administration was attacked for. So sorry, it is you and your liberal friends that have a double standard and are ludicrous.
Being a progressive also makes you out of touch with reality.




Anyone who doesn't recognize the fact that Valery Plame was outed by people working for G,W. Bush under the Bush mis-administration is way out of touch with reality
 
Yes, I remember when Obama Administration said the stimulus would keep unemployment from exceeding 8% and would generate shovel ready jobs that would halve the deficit. I also remember when Obamacare wasn't supposed to cost the American taxpayers a dime and would be fully funded.
Yes, amazing memory you have on what happened over a decade ago but cannot remember what is happening now.




Get back with us in thirty years and tell us how the GOP is doing after the ongoing demographic change in the USA hits it full force like a tidal wave.
 
FFS!

I already posted that link.....in response to YOU!

Let me help you ought, Armitage's mea culpa was that his leak was an "accident":


Former Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage said yesterday that he believes he was the initial source for a 2003 newspaper column by Robert D. Novak that disclosed the CIA's previously secret employment of Valerie Plame, the wife of a prominent critic of the U.S. war in Iraq.

Armitage said that he learned about Plame's employment from a State Department memo that did not mention her covert status, and that he had no knowledge of it at the time. In 40 years of reading classified materials, Armitage said in a telephone interview, "I have never seen in a memo . . . a covert agent's name."

Armitage Says He Was Source of CIA Leak

You just refuse to address the details of the memo.

This is so stupid!

I believe that Miller was truthful when she said Libby told her Plame was CIA, I believe Cooper when he said Rove told him Plame was CIA, I believe Novak when he said Armitage told him Plame was CIA.....the point is, why did they all do that?
 
It's a good thing FDR didn't "pickup a history book" in 1941.


completely different area of the world, and a different situation. we could stay in Afghanistan for one hundred years and still not be able to make it into a stable democracy. they have to do that themselves, and we need to fix our crumbling infrastructure and come up with a different energy model.
 
The two situations are quite different, the outing of the CIA agent in Afghanistan was done by mistake. The outing of Valerie Plame was done on purpose, but at the time the didn't know she was covert. They wanted to embarrass Joe Wilson.

That is your opinion, the agent in Afghanistan is in harm's way, it is questionable whether or not Plame was even an agent. Joe Wilson embarrassed himself and didn't need any help.
 
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