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Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

j-mac said:
Ok, what "quote" are you referring to?

"It was the second time in recent months that Rodger's mother tried to intervene. In April, she had called one of her son's counselors after seeing bizarre videos he had posted on YouTube, though not the disturbing one he posted shortly before the killings, Astaire said. The counselor called a mental health service, which then called police.

Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies who showed up at Rodger's doorstep to check on his mental health, however, weren't aware of any videos, the department's spokeswoman Kelly Hoover said. They concluded after their visit that the well-mannered if shy young man posed no risk."

Elliot Rodger


So, the sheriff was called by a mental health service to check on this young man, and never inquired as to why they were going out there? No videos mentioned? why?

Either way this wasn't just a "random visit"....
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Sure it was random....the family didnt know they were coming and there was no 'incident' occuring for them to assess.

Pretty hit or miss that there would be some behavior for them to observe that would indicate he was dangerous....again, they're cops, not psychiatrists.
 
j-mac said:
Well, then I apologize for assuming....Your story sounds heartbreaking, and believe me when I say I understand what you went through.

While I don't think that cops should be mental health workers, nor should they have to be, they can asses that someone is a danger to themselves, or others, and take appropriate action to make sure that the correct facility evaluate them.
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Yes, but there has to be a huge system around this. Cops cannot be allowed to arrest, detain, or commit individuals without substantial proof. There would need to be significant oversight and restriction along with a free and open system to get out of the designation and have all rights recognized again.
 
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Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'

Lursa said:
How on Earth are cops qualified to assess someone's mental state? If they are not in the middle of committing a crime (if then)? Someone randomly shows up at a house where nothing is happening....they arent psychiatrists.
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Frankly, the parents are using this phone call and brief cop visit to absolve themselves of all liability.
 
Lursa said:
Sure it was random....the family didnt know they were coming and there was no 'incident' occuring for them to assess.

Pretty hit or miss that there would be some behavior for them to observe that would indicate he was dangerous....again, they're cops, not psychiatrists.
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Did you not read the bold part of my post? The Mother called the mental health facility, who then contacted police....ANYONE who has dealt with the mental health community knows that if they report to the facility that their family member may be a danger, that the facility is going to send the police.

The behavior is that the Mom called a mental facility that knows the individual, and they called police....It's not like they were just out driving, and decided to stop and talk to this kid....Come on now....
 
j-mac said:
Did you not read the bold part of my post? The Mother called the mental health facility, who then contacted police....ANYONE who has dealt with the mental health community knows that if they report to the facility that their family member may be a danger, that the facility is going to send the police.

The behavior is that the Mom called a mental facility that knows the individual, and they called police....It's not like they were just out driving, and decided to stop and talk to this kid....Come on now....
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Yeah but she called them based on videos, not the kid acting out. She also didnt know when they were coming.

There was nothing observable for the cops to act on.
 
DVSentinel said:
Why are you so hung up on States? My original post showed part of the voting record for the county/city. Even in Texas and other "red" states, heavily urbanized areas are still primarily Liberal or other socialist leans. Pretty much any state has a split between Rural and Urban with the primary balance between the two being the suburban areas.
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Why are you so hung up on politics? Clearly each state, each political lean, has issues with mass shootings.
 
SMTA said:
Frankly, the parents are using this phone call and brief cop visit to absolve themselves of all liability.
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The shooter was 22 years old, an adult.
 
Superfly said:
Why are you so hung up on politics? Clearly each state, each political lean, has issues with mass shootings.
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And I sympathize/empathize with the non-liberal victims and their families. The liberal and all other socialist vermin, I don't feel any sympathy for and would even furnish the bullets if it wouldn't land me in jail. Shooting Liberals wouldn't be my first choice of actions against them, but if they won't pull their heads out of their assess and act like they can think rationally, then **** it, I don't care if someone else blows their brains (assuming that they actually have one) out.
 
j-mac said:
Well, then I apologize for assuming....Your story sounds heartbreaking, and believe me when I say I understand what you went through. While I don't think that cops should be mental health workers, nor should they have to be, they can asses that someone is a danger to themselves, or others, and take appropriate action to make sure that the correct facility evaluate them.
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Thanks for your kind words.

I'd say in this case the parents and therapists who dealt with Elliot should have made the hard call to have the boy evaluated. According to some of the articles the boy suffered from 'extreme' paranoia but was treated out-patient even after they knew he stopped taking his meds. :doh

Until 10 pm the night of the rampage the cops were not informed about the seriousness of Elliot's mental state (as an adult his medical caregivers can't release information without his permission- the therapist must not have thought Elliot was a threat to others or by law he did have to tell the police of Elliot's mental problems in more detail than 'just his mommy is worried about him' on the only phone call made that could have started an involuntary commitment)

But the first two police contacts were Elliot claiming to have been attacked and the second Elliot accused his roommates stealing candles.

So the cops are damned either way.

But as the guy who signed the 72 hour eval form to commit his mom while my Uncle muttered darkly about it happening in HIS house, and my aunt and mom crying together...

it really wasn't law enforcement's call in the first place... :peace
 
DVSentinel said:
And I sympathize/empathize with the non-liberal victims and their families. The liberal and all other socialist vermin, I don't feel any sympathy for and would even furnish the bullets if it wouldn't land me in jail. Shooting Liberals wouldn't be my first choice of actions against them, but if they won't pull their heads out of their assess and act like they can think rationally, then **** it, I don't care if someone else blows their brains (assuming that they actually have one) out.
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Appalling. I hope you're only posing here rather than sincerely meaning what you've just said.
 
According to Fox, Rodger's therapist called his mother:
It was Friday night when Elliot Rodger's mother got a call from her son’s therapist that he had emailed a ranting manifesto about going on a deadly rampage.

The mother went to her son's YouTube channel and found the video in which he threatens to kill people. She alerted authorities and set off frantically with her ex-husband to Santa Barbara.

By the time they arrived, it was too late: their son had killed six people and then, authorities say, himself. Elliot Rodger
 
DVSentinel said:
And I sympathize/empathize with the non-liberal victims and their families. The liberal and all other socialist vermin, I don't feel any sympathy for and would even furnish the bullets if it wouldn't land me in jail. Shooting Liberals wouldn't be my first choice of actions against them, but if they won't pull their heads out of their assess and act like they can think rationally, then **** it, I don't care if someone else blows their brains (assuming that they actually have one) out.
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Wow, aren't you pleasant.
 
DVSentinel said:
And I sympathize/empathize with the non-liberal victims and their families. The liberal and all other socialist vermin, I don't feel any sympathy for and would even furnish the bullets if it wouldn't land me in jail. Shooting Liberals wouldn't be my first choice of actions against them, but if they won't pull their heads out of their assess and act like they can think rationally, then **** it, I don't care if someone else blows their brains (assuming that they actually have one) out.
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There will be a hell of a lot of liberals shooting right back at you, so your strategy isnt really making gun owners look very bright.
 
DVSentinel said:
And I sympathize/empathize with the non-liberal victims and their families. The liberal and all other socialist vermin, I don't feel any sympathy for and would even furnish the bullets if it wouldn't land me in jail. Shooting Liberals wouldn't be my first choice of actions against them, but if they won't pull their heads out of their assess and act like they can think rationally, then **** it, I don't care if someone else blows their brains (assuming that they actually have one) out.
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That's ****ed up, man. That you would want to shoot someone, or wouldn't care if someone was shot, over their political lean? That's really ****ed up.
 
Lursa said:
There will be a hell of a lot of liberals shooting right back at you, so your strategy isnt really making gun owners look very bright.
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It's not about brightness; it's about decency. "Shooting liberals wouldn't be my first choice...?" So, what, it would be his second or third choice?
 
nota bene said:
It's not about brightness; it's about decency. "Shooting liberals wouldn't be my first choice...?" So, what, it would be his second or third choice?
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You know, I have to say that I have been involved in politics for many years, and I've never heard anyone say anything like this - not even close - until talk radio got popular. Hate is popular now. The more you hate, the more popular, the more listeners, you get. Sad that we have bottomed out the way we have.
 
The YouTubes are being yanked, so I transcribed the "Elliot Rodger's Retribution" one after listening to it. I think Rodger rehearsed what he spoke into the camera many times. The immaturity and narcissistic sense of entitlement and the grandiosity are all there, and he's so calm and smug in the way he chuckles.
 
Moderator's Warning:
OK folks, the talk of shooting political opponents will cease; it has been dealt with and the matter needs to be dropped. Let's keep it civil and topical please.
 
Re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'

SMTA said:
Frankly, the parents are using this phone call and brief cop visit to absolve themselves of all liability.
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I don't think that are liable for the damages, they didn't pull the trigger. But they are trying to deflect any responsibility they had or possible choices they could have made to maybe have prevented this situation.
 
DVSentinel said:
And I sympathize/empathize with the non-liberal victims and their families. The liberal and all other socialist vermin, I don't feel any sympathy for and would even furnish the bullets if it wouldn't land me in jail. Shooting Liberals wouldn't be my first choice of actions against them, but if they won't pull their heads out of their assess and act like they can think rationally, then **** it, I don't care if someone else blows their brains (assuming that they actually have one) out.
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Wow. Are you for real?
 
DVSentinel said:
And I sympathize/empathize with the non-liberal victims and their families. The liberal and all other socialist vermin, I don't feel any sympathy for and would even furnish the bullets if it wouldn't land me in jail. Shooting Liberals wouldn't be my first choice of actions against them, but if they won't pull their heads out of their assess and act like they can think rationally, then **** it, I don't care if someone else blows their brains (assuming that they actually have one) out.
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hahaha

Did you forget what website you're on?
 
Where the heck was Brian Ross on this? This guy was a fan of the Young Turks, left wing radicals.

I mean, he was so quick to find that the Joker in Colorado had the same name as a Tea Party member, and saw fit to announce it on the air, without the slightest bit of verification. And it turned out to be completely false, but at least he was able to connect him to the Tea Party, which was the important thing. So where are all the media reports, or any at all, connecting this guy to the left?
 
Re: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/24/at-least-3-dead-in-shootings-in-santa-barbar

HogWash said:
It is hard to believe, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, that this goofy bastard couldn't find himself a piece of whatever.
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Especially with a Beamer and a hundred bucks in his pocket.
 
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