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Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

The cops had their chance to prevent this, just like the parents, his family and friends, and the mental health professionals.

They all failed, as usual, and I will not be a victim because of their pathetic complacency.

perhaps it wasnt complacency. maybe instead they were concerned about infringing(or being seen as) on his 2nd amendment rights.
imagine any of them, at any time, insisting he couldnt own a firearm.

is there even an expedient means to inhibit a person from owning a pistol they've purchased legally, due to suspicion of intent to harm others, or mentally unstable enough to "snap"? id say no, based on the history of such things and add that because of its sensitive history the legal responses are black and white, and reactionary only.

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whats more, we know more about the weapon than the medication he's been on historically. the elephant in the room is being ignored in these cases, because the public tends to pick on the"low hanging fruit" and point at the means of delivery, rather than the perpetrator.
 
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Another mass killing by a mentally deranged young man in a drive by shooting at Santa Barbara:

Gunman, six others killed in drive-by shooting, Santa Barbara police say | Fox News



This psychopathic guy posted a creepy Youtube video complaining about being still a virgin at 22 yr old and hating all the blonde beautiful women he couldn't get and all sexually active men who had all the women they want for sex. For that he went on a killing rampage the next day? What's going on mentally with the young men of American society?


It will be interesting, if it's ever made public, to see the medical and pharmaceutical history of this guy. My bet is he has been treated for a number of years with psychoactive drugs.
 
Seems to me the shooter was the silent/shy type (though I could be wrong since I dont know him and simply extrapolating form what he wrote), those people tend to get overlooked by girls, especially if they dont hang out with popular friends or go to parties. Ive known quite a few women who have gotten cocky douchebags as husbands too. ;)

I didn't see it as silent/shy. I saw cockiness, at least in his postings, because he felt like he deserved beautiful women. That, to me, is cocky. Nobody deserves anything. You have to work for it. He wasn't willing to do that.
 
I didn't see it as silent/shy. I saw cockiness, at least in his postings, because he felt like he deserved beautiful women. That, to me, is cocky. Nobody deserves anything. You have to work for it. He wasn't willing to do that.
Well he was cocky on the internet but was he like that in real life? I know a few people who are pretty loudmouth braggarts when surrounded by close friends and family but the moment they meet a girl at a social event they turn into silent daffodils.
 
Well he was cocky on the internet but was he like that in real life? I know a few people who are pretty loudmouth braggarts when surrounded by close friends and family but the moment they meet a girl at a social event they turn into silent daffodils.

I think that the bottom line was that this kid was disturbing enough to his parents that IIRC, the parents called the police...They interviewed, and that should have been all that was needed to commit for a 72 hour evaluation....I am left wondering why this wasn't done...

All that had to be hurdled is a determination of a danger to himself or others....That seems to be accomplished with his history, and the call in the first place.
 
I think that the bottom line was that this kid was disturbing enough to his parents that IIRC, the parents called the police...They interviewed, and that should have been all that was needed to commit for a 72 hour evaluation....I am left wondering why this wasn't done...

All that had to be hurdled is a determination of a danger to himself or others....That seems to be accomplished with his history, and the call in the first place.

Right. The cops said they didn't think he was a threat. :roll:
 
It will be interesting, if it's ever made public, to see the medical and pharmaceutical history of this guy. My bet is he has been treated for a number of years with psychoactive drugs.

Instead of "betting", you could find out that information since it is already out there. Hint: you are wrong.
 
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Based on what was offered to read about Elliot Rodgers then I think so too. Of course we do not really know that the writing is Elliot's do we?

The underlying message from Elliot Rodgers is: Humanity is on your hands ladies. If you do not offer sexual favors to everyone then humanity gets it, just so you know ;)

It's a game that a woman cannot win. If she sleeps with a guy, she's a slut; if she doesn't, she's a c**k-blocker. #YesAllWomen
 
Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown said early Saturday that written and videotaped preliminary evidence indicates that this was a "premeditated mass murder," and called the suspect "severely mentally disturbed."


Funny, the cops didn't pick up on any of this when they were called out about this kid before, and saw some of the video's. Sounds like a big load of "cover our ass"… too little too late.
 
Well, here's a pro-tip for you guys. Girls don't really like cocky. Confident is sexy, but cocky is a turn off.

Doesn't matter how hot you are, or how rich you are - if you are a cocky douchebag, it's a turn off.

You should have told that to Elliot sooner! ;)
 
You should have told that to Elliot sooner! ;)

All he had to do was ask. :D I'd venture to guess that most any girl would tell him that if he would stop and just listen to her and stop focusing on how to get her in the sack.
 
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It's a game that a woman cannot win. If she sleeps with a guy, she's a slut; if she doesn't, she's a c**k-blocker. #YesAllWomen

Or:

a) If she sleeps with a guy, she's a slut, and b) If she does not sleeps with a guy, then the guy shoots people, and again that is her fault.

Either way a guy needs to shoot it seems. It is just a matter of "what to shoot" and at whom to shoot to be exact.
 
All he had to do was ask. :D I'd venture to guess that most any girl would tell him that if he would stop and just listen to her and stop focusing on how to get her in the sack.

You hear that all you Elliotists out there! Try asking instead of shooting at people! :lol:

Of course we are making it too simple from this luxorious position of: Already having a hell of a time with a sex mate. Elliot was blocked to have sex not from women but from his social anxieties, and he was aware of them too.
 
I think that the bottom line was that this kid was disturbing enough to his parents that IIRC, the parents called the police...They interviewed, and that should have been all that was needed to commit for a 72 hour evaluation....I am left wondering why this wasn't done... All that had to be hurdled is a determination of a danger to himself or others....That seems to be accomplished with his history, and the call in the first place.

Actually that hurdle is very high to non specialized people. The manifesto didn't come out a month before but a day before. Prior to the massacre, did Elliot ever attack anyone- to say- commit an overt act seen as danger to himself or others?

Did the parents present any of this evidence to the police?

Parents call the PD all the time worried about little Johnny, or little Susie shacking with little Johnny. It is easy to point to one of a hundred and say THAT one the police should have violated the Constitution and performed an illegal search. (I recall many a wag quick to 'hope' the police gets sued for huge awards for doing just that)

History of the shooter seems a bit spotty and a parent's phone call not very compelling compared to a shy and meek son answering the door.
 
Another mass killing by a mentally deranged young man in a drive by shooting at Santa Barbara:

Gunman, six others killed in drive-by shooting, Santa Barbara police say | Fox News



This psychopathic guy posted a creepy Youtube video complaining about being still a virgin at 22 yr old and hating all the blonde beautiful women he couldn't get and all sexually active men who had all the women they want for sex. For that he went on a killing rampage the next day? What's going on mentally with the young men of American society?


Like I always say....these spree killers are all losers. To me, this is the biggest clue that someone will desire to blame other people for their problems and look for ways to take revenge (not always by killing of course)

Combine that with *KNOWN* mental illness, which was the case, and you have a timebomb. Same with the Cafe Racer shooter here a couple of yrs ago. The family said he was dangerous and begged to have him committed. Couldnt.
 
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Interesting. Makes it sound like he feels he is justified in his actions... which isn't surprising. A villain is rarely a villain in his own eyes...

These losers tend to blame everyone else for their problems. They dont take any responsibility for themselves and manage to convince themselves they wont be responsible for the killing either....cuz 'they deserved it.'

To me, you're not a 'loser' if you are mocked and nerdy and made fun of in school, etc. Most of those people never harm anyone but instead go on to be successful and happy. It's the ones that blame everybody else and *choose* to kill. That is a huge f'ing loser IMO.
 
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Hmmm....this loser had a BMW? At 22?

And his family couldnt find the means...legally...to get him committed? Of have him supervised? Or find him other help? A great presumption on my part, I agree, but it raises a question in my mind.
 
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Oh...I have to ask, if this guy walked into a gun shop and held off on the "murder everyone" talk would you think twice about selling him a gun?

No, why would they?
 
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The family kept dumping expensive cars and material on him in hopes of making him happy and not so angry at the world. When in reality they should have just paid for the service of a pavement princess.
 
Why does police always failed the public?

It's not a decision for the police, it's up to the courts. The police would only enforce a court order.
 
Your statement clearly shows a lack of understanding of my meaning. "Someplace Decent" did not refer to the difference between Cali and Texas but rather between Liberal areas and non Liberal areas.

What difference does it make? Texas is clearly a "non liberal" area, but you still have problems with shootings there.

Your bias is incorrect, anyway.

The following are two pictures: One is a picture of mass shootings in the US, the other is the red state/blue state map. If you go in and count, you'll find that there are actually more shootings in red states than blue.

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Now. To be fair? I counted 15 red states and 14 blue states, so it's not like it's a runaway. It does muddle your position, though, that the blue states are the ones doing all the mass killings.

Stop trying to make everything political, OK? Not everything has to be turned into an "us vs. them" argument. :roll:
 
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No, why would they?

I only asked because there has been a lot of talk about keeping firearms out of the hands of "crazies". If this guy kept the "kill 'em all" stuff to himself there would be no reason to think he was nuts. That's the major problem we have with the mentally ill. There's no good way to readily differentiate between "eccentric" and "loony tunes" without running absolutely everybody through regular mental health checks.
 
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That might justify his need for the Barbie doll girl, as was mentioned earlier in this thread. He obviously doesn't like black people, he obviously doesn't like Hispanics -- he seemed to be looking for one sort of thing, and when he didn't get it, it set him off.

LA is full of 'beautiful people,' esp. women. All there to get their big break. They were all over the place and apparently he couldnt 'get' any of them. And couldnt get over it.
 
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