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Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

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If there's anything funny at all about this situation, it's that the kid died a virgin.

Well , first of all he would have needed a penis to lose his virginity. From the video he looks like one who has to squat to pee.
 
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People do plenty of stupid crap because of relationships problem, but there is absolutely no point where normal people get rejected too much and starting murdering people. I really hope the fact you are defending a mass murderer might make you wake up and realize just how destructive your attitude is.

I wouldn't hold your breath. He's part of the same general group that this guy came out of. They've defended everything from men murdering their own children to marital rape, and it's the same crap every time -- "How else can you expect the poor nice guy to react when things don't go his way?"

The sheer insanity of calling a murderer or a rapist a "nice guy" never seems to dawn on them. These are people who are terrified of the idea that they are the one with a problem and taking responsibility for it in the same way normal people are terrified of having a gun in their face. It's always somebody else's fault, and that apparently warrants any and all actions they might respond with, no matter how insane, sadistic, or psychopathic they might be.
 
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He appears to be involved with MRA's of the type who call themselves "incels" -- involuntarily celibate. He's not the first person involved with these kinds of groups to murder women (or people in general) for similar reasons.

Online Forum For Sexually Frustrated Men Reacts To News That Mass Shooter May Be One Of Their Own | Business Insider
https://www.youtube.com/user/ElliotRodger/channels?flow=list&view=56

They can never seem to get anyone to show up to their meat space events, but on the rare occasion they do have a real-world presence, it always seems to be when one of them kills people.

It's probably some combination of pre-existing mental illness or psychopathy and the justification this movement gives to such people. It's part of why I think this brand of misogyny deserves more attention and blow-back than the old-fashioned kind. The new misogyny specifically targets men who are mentally ill or socially repellent or simply lack the ability to connect to people, and tells them that no matter how rude or abusive they are, they're entitled to sex and the service of women. They deserve to be angry women won't do whatever they want them to and they deserve to feel entitled to it -- in fact, they're not angry and entitled enough.

I give it 48 hours before one of these groups posts a pity party about how sad it is that this man was so maligned by wicked women who didn't feel obligated to sleep with him.
I have met similar types to this guy, no one that I think is about to cross the line into murder, but they blame everyone but themselves for not being able to have a functional relationship with women. A few years back I ran across the granddaughter of the man I used to work for, I've known this girl since she was a child and was catching up with her. Well one of her coworkers was obsessed with her and trying to tell her I was one of those "evil alpha male jerks who would only hurt her" and asking if she wanted him to make me leave her alone, she basically told him "that guy would crush you, relax". Anyway, that girl is someone I consider like family, and the kid had the assumption a lot of those types have which is "I'm the better man, why doesn't she want ME".
 
I think the most interesting thing about the video is his use of language. It's not indicative of someone with higher intellect. It sounds like somebody with a serious need to be admired. It is also a sign he was trying WAY too hard. This is clearly a mentally disturbed (but not ill) young man whose actions can't be excused but I won't go around pretending he was anything more than a narcissist who wasn't having it his way. If he'd gotten laid it wouldn't have changed a thing. He still would have found an area of life where he wasn't getting the... admiration he thought he was worthy of. He would have probably ended up killing his coworkers after being passed over for a promotion at 35. Also, some of the comments in the video say he was driving a beamer. By the looks of it, it's a pretty recent model. New car, alright looking and you still can't get laid in Santa Barbara? What kind of bull**** is that?

Conclusion: This had really little to do with women and more to do with a narcissist who didn't have the power he thought he should. We live in a society where people are told: Buy all this crap and you will get laid. What happens when people don't get all they are promised? Most just go about their daily lives. Some go into depression - a few react violently. This kid was a perfectly normal personal who bought all the nonsense people like me are paid to try and sell him - then realized life isn't that easy and hated it.

He wasn't mentally ill. He was just pissed he wasn't getting it his way.
 
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He had various therapy sessions:

Alleged gunman Elliot Rodger, 22, lived a life of privilege

But, did he ever heard of a public house? Night clubs?

Also, where did he get the gun? See how he abuses the 2A right to carry guns by mass murdering? Now if there were licenses that require a pre-brain scan his murderous tendencies may have been revealed at which point he would not have the means to kill (rather than defend).

I do not think these high profile young men would risk to purchase guns in the illegal black market. They there may probably eat him alive. But even if he were to do that he could be caught from the police and this could have been prevented.
 
I don't know the system in California but I am certain you cannot simply call the police and say "my son, brother, father is acting weird and I am concerned" and expect the police to lock the person up. I'm fairly certain a judge will have to be involved. The judge will review evidence to determine if the person is a danger to himself or others and make a determination.

It would be most interesting to know the history behind the shooter. Was he in counseling, had he been in counseling? What medications was he taking, if any? And if he had previously taken medications, what were they and when did he stop taking them?
Because he made a video that seemed to imply intent to do harm I believe they could have picked him up on a charge of making public threats. Had they done that, during the court proceedings he could have been adjudicated mentally unstable and at that point I believe a judge could have him involuntarily committed to a facility.
 
I think the most interesting thing about the video is his use of language. It's not indicative of someone with higher intellect. It sounds like somebody with a serious need to be admired. It is also a sign he was trying WAY too hard. This is clearly a mentally disturbed (but not ill) young man whose actions can't be excused but I won't go around pretending he was anything more than a narcissist who wasn't having it his way. If he'd gotten laid it wouldn't have changed a thing. He still would have found an area of life where he wasn't getting the... admiration he thought he was worthy of. He would have probably ended up killing his coworkers after being passed over for a promotion at 35. Also, some of the comments in the video say he was driving a beamer. By the looks of it, it's a pretty recent model. New car, alright looking and you still can't get laid in Santa Barbara? What kind of bull**** is that?

I think there might be something about this here. He had a sample to compare how much his parents were being admired (his father was a "Game of Thorns" assistant) and he failed to compete with such people probably due to not being as successful and maybe a lack of social skills.
 
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This little asshole seems to feel that he was entitled to female attention based on something (what, I don't know or much care), and he didn't get it, so he used that as self-justification to go on a murderous rampage. Not an ounce of sympathy from me for the self-entitled little bastard.
I feel for his victims and their loved ones, they did nothing wrong and he allowed his own impulses to cause them harm. He can rot in hell for all I care but these types almost always want to take people with them.
 
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I have met similar types to this guy, no one that I think is about to cross the line into murder, but they blame everyone but themselves for not being able to have a functional relationship with women. A few years back I ran across the granddaughter of the man I used to work for, I've known this girl since she was a child and was catching up with her. Well one of her coworkers was obsessed with her and trying to tell her I was one of those "evil alpha male jerks who would only hurt her" and asking if she wanted him to make me leave her alone, she basically told him "that guy would crush you, relax". Anyway, that girl is someone I consider like family, and the kid had the assumption a lot of those types have which is "I'm the better man, why doesn't she want ME".

Dollars to donuts he's floating around some MRA group. Feeling like the only reason any guy would interact with a woman he wants is to "steal" her because somehow his desire means he owns her, trying to be all macho and "defend the damsel" from the woman-snatcher, and "WHY, OH, WHY WON'T SHE HAVE SEX WITH ME!?" Gee, dude, I dunno.

It's this weird sense of narcissism and entitlement, and no matter how blatantly they show it, they never seem to see it themselves. And then they wonder why they can't get a date.
 
OK, whatever you say. You are of course the experts on gun homicides, but I suggest most jurisdictions would class it as a multiple homicide. But, like I say, America is the single most developed country in the filed of of gun deaths, you are the man.
Did you miss the fact that he murdered 3 of the 6 in a face to face confrontation...with a knife?

Must...blame...guns...
 
Yea, burning in Hell.

Worthless little twits always take innocents before they go, though.
I never understood that, I don't condone or endorse suicide but it's a fact of life for some people. If these people want to go out that way, do it BEFORE taking innocents.
 
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Dollars to donuts he's floating around some MRA group. Feeling like the only reason any guy would interact with a woman he wants is to "steal" her because somehow his desire means he owns her, trying to be all macho and "defend the damsel" from the woman-snatcher, and "WHY, OH, WHY WON'T SHE HAVE SEX WITH ME!?" Gee, dude, I dunno.

It's this weird sense of narcissism and entitlement, and no matter how blatantly they show it, they never seem to see it themselves. And then they wonder why they can't get a date.
I often get women who come back to talk to me after a failed marriage or relationship and I have moved on, I am a one woman man and I get why some might feel like "he looks desperate" is the right call, I am also a very nice guy, but for the right reasons, I'm not trying to impress anyone I just think it's a nice way to live. If someone gets the wrong read on me, no harm, no foul as long as they've been honest with me. I think though that the "bad read" comes from the guys who honestly are very flawed and think overcompensating with "nice" behavior do exactly what the true gentlemen do, they study what they think women want, and when their transparent attempts are rejected they get angry.

I think you are right about them feeling entitled to be with the person of their choosing, it's telling about them that they take it personally when the woman declines. Fact is, a relationship is an interaction between two consenting people, if there is no consent.............move on. The "nice guys" who feel like the woman should automatically reward their efforts are IMO a potential future rapist, I am not saying that lightly by the way, and I would assume that a lot of the women who reject those types pick up on that vibe.
 
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I often get women who come back to talk to me after a failed marriage or relationship and I have moved on, I am a one woman man and I get why some might feel like "he looks desperate" is the right call, I am also a very nice guy, but for the right reasons, I'm not trying to impress anyone I just think it's a nice way to live. If someone gets the wrong read on me, no harm, no foul as long as they've been honest with me. I think though that the "bad read" comes from the guys who honestly are very flawed and think overcompensating with "nice" behavior do exactly what the true gentlemen do, they study what they think women want, and when their transparent attempts are rejected they get angry.

I think you are right about them feeling entitled to be with the person of their choosing, it's telling about them that they take it personally when the woman declines. Fact is, a relationship is an interaction between two consenting people, if there is no consent.............move on. The "nice guys" who feel like the woman should automatically reward their efforts are IMO a potential future rapist, I am not saying that lightly by the way, and I would assume that a lot of the women who reject those types pick up on that vibe.

Yup. I can smell them before they've even finished their opening line. I've never met a woman over 20 who couldn't do the same.

They come at you with something unusual but extremely rehearsed, and their face smiles, but their eyes don't. They're in a rush to go to the next step, and if you're in a venue that has it, to push you to drink at 3 times your normal pace. There's just something really off-putting and uncomfortable about them. I've also caught them using standard-issue "neg" lines they ripped straight off a PUA site -- apparently mild insults that are supposed to make your panties wet. They're kind of looking through you, like you're not a real human being. The wheels are turning like it's some kind of high-stakes chess game, or they're trying to take down a deer.

I've known a couple women who figured maybe they were being judgmental and went out for one date with someone like that. They ran screaming by the end of it -- they just got a really controlling, scary vibe from them. I've never known any woman who actually went as far as sleeping with someone like that.

These are the guys who always whine about how nice they are and that's apparently why they can't find a woman. They'll even whine about it while they're hitting on you, getting way too close to you no matter how much you back up or blatantly trying to over-liquor you or just reacting inappropriately and handing our insanely mismatched and awkward social ques. They're astoundingly creepy.
 
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Yup. I can smell them before they've even finished their opening line. I've never met a woman over 20 who couldn't do the same.

They come at you with something unusual but extremely rehearsed, and their face smiles, but their eyes don't. They're in a rush to go to the next step, and if you're in a venue that has it, to push you to drink at 3 times your normal pace. There's just something really off-putting and uncomfortable about them. I've also caught them using standard-issue "neg" lines they ripped straight off a PUA site -- apparently mild insults that are supposed to make your panties wet. They're kind of looking through you, like you're not a real human being. The wheels are turning like it's some kind of high-stakes chess game, or they're trying to take down a deer.

I've known a couple women who figured maybe they were being judgmental and went out for one date with someone like that. They ran screaming by the end of it -- they just got a really controlling, scary vibe from them. I've never known any woman who actually went as far as sleeping with someone like that.

These are the guys who always whine about how nice they are and that's apparently why they can't find a woman. They'll even whine about it while they're hitting on you, getting way too close to you no matter how much you back up or blatantly trying to over-liquor you or just reacting inappropriately and handing our insanely mismatched and awkward social ques. They're astoundingly creepy.
To what I bolded;
1) I will offer a drink when I'm out(well, not anymore, going to bars and clubs isn't my thing anymore and I'm talking to a wonderful woman right now) but not if I am not also drinking, it goes to the gentleman issue when I offer a drink, a "I found you attractive, this is my social invitation, let's converse" way of expressing interest, but I have seen the creepers do the heavy push, my rule of thumb, if I am taking a drink I offer, no more or less, I always base it on my trip to the bar or if I see the lady may need a refill, never pushy, and if I offer a second time it's always "are you sure, I don't mind".
2) I never look for the next step the same night, I always offer to exchange numbers and part ways. If the lady insists and there is chemistry.................well, then see where it goes but I don't insist.

EDIT - Forgot to mention. I ran across a few of the "subtle insult" guys, one dude was explaining the entire psychology to me, I thought that dude was the biggest asshole I'd ever met. Relationships are about building each other up, how are you supposed to start a good one by tearing someone down?
 
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To what I bolded;
1) I will offer a drink when I'm out(well, not anymore, going to bars and clubs isn't my thing anymore and I'm talking to a wonderful woman right now) but not if I am not also drinking, it goes to the gentleman issue when I offer a drink, a "I found you attractive, this is my social invitation, let's converse" way of expressing interest, but I have seen the creepers do the heavy push, my rule of thumb, if I am taking a drink I offer, no more or less, I always base it on my trip to the bar or if I see the lady may need a refill, never pushy, and if I offer a second time it's always "are you sure, I don't mind".
2) I never look for the next step the same night, I always offer to exchange numbers and part ways. If the lady insists and there is chemistry.................well, then see where it goes but I don't insist.

EDIT - Forgot to mention. I ran across a few of the "subtle insult" guys, one dude was explaining the entire psychology to me, I thought that dude was the biggest asshole I'd ever met. Relationships are about building each other up, how are you supposed to start a good one by tearing someone down?

Yeah, while opinions vary on the particulars of provision of drinks, that's the basic outline of being a normal goddamn human being, pretty much.

But to the bolded, that's all they're looking for -- to tear someone down. They either want not just sex but "revenge" sex to get back at women, or they assume a real relationship is impossible since they've never had one (not because of their terrible attitude, but because women are crazy and/or evil). There was actually a study done on these people recently. I posted it on DP actually, I think. The only kinds of women these guys ever pick up are women with poor self-esteem who are sexists themselves, in the direction of believing women should be subservient.

Those women are far less common these days, so mostly what these guys get is fake numbers.

And they still think they're nice guys and wonder why they keep getting rejections and fakes.
 
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Yeah, while opinions vary on the particulars of provision of drinks, that's the basic outline of being a normal goddamn human being, pretty much.

But to the bolded, that's all they're looking for -- to tear someone down. They either want not just sex but "revenge" sex to get back at women, or they assume a real relationship is impossible since they've never had one (not because of their terrible attitude, but because women are crazy and/or evil). There was actually a study done on these people recently. I posted it on DP actually, I think. The only kinds of women these guys ever pick up are women with poor self-esteem who are sexists themselves, in the direction of believing women should be subservient.

Those women are far less common these days, so mostly what these guys get is fake numbers.

And they still think they're nice guys and wonder why they keep getting rejections and fakes.
Exactly, the entire time this guy is bragging on his numbers and explaining that "they need to be put down so they'll be at my level" I was thinking that it's really pathetic to feel so poorly about one's own self that they have to bring people down to their level. It's a horrible attitude. I look at all aspects of life the same way, I am me, I have what I have to work with and people will either be on board or they won't.
 
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I feel for his victims and their loved ones, they did nothing wrong and he allowed his own impulses to cause them harm. He can rot in hell for all I care but these types almost always want to take people with them.

I will never grasp that mentality.
 
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I will never grasp that mentality.
I can't either man. Wanting to end it all is one thing, wanting to take others with you is a special kind of evil.
 
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If there's anything funny at all about this situation, it's that the kid died a virgin.

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Oh and his "manifesto" is absolutely terrifying. If you thought he was crazy from the vid in the OP, hoo boy, that thing pushes it WAY over the top.

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Seriously. This guy was so far gone, it's unbelievable.
 
I never understood that, I don't condone or endorse suicide but it's a fact of life for some people. If these people want to go out that way, do it BEFORE taking innocents.

Weak-minded twits with no spine on a power-over-people's-life trip.

Worthless scum.
 
Oh and his "manifesto" is absolutely terrifying. If you thought he was crazy from the vid in the OP, hoo boy, that thing pushes it WAY over the top.

Scribd

Seriously. This guy was so far gone, it's unbelievable.

If that is Elliot Rodger then to summarize he is a: jealous, envious, shy, "by nature" mixed Asian-European race, first generation immigrant to USA of divorced neglecting parents. He could not adapt to changing places, "torturing, suffocating loneliness," the struggle and competition from others that took advantage of his self-perceived "weird" physique, inferiority feelings, and vulnerability. According to him intelligent gentlemen (that he was raised to be) do not strive and are denied access to the sex life with girls, while alpha men get all they want and do so from 14 even. He regretted being denied the life he craved (to be like those alpha men and have as much sex) and blamed the girls for having this flaw of preferring them rather than him. Later he wanted to skin males and females alive for doing this to him.

This belief made him fearful, jealous, envious, and hateful of perceived alpha men to the point of wanting to become so powerful that he would stop everyone from having sex. It is increased sexual libido coupled with frustration of not having any due to insecurity feelings (social anxiety) he knew he had of approaching girls that made his life unbearable. Plus the segregation, tease from boys and girls for still being a virgin while they had it all made his self-effectiveness even worse. At one point of disparity even walking with a girl's hand together was "an epitome of gratifying perfection." At first he threw coffee and tea to couples and girls (for not smiling back) in spite (saying "How dare they insult me so?" i.e., for not smiling back), later he used the super-soaker ammoed with orange juice (because he will ruin their good time after they ruined his by not wanting to be with him). Before going to his shooting spree he tried to throw girls from the 10 foot ledge for the audacity they had to insult him back. Speaks of putting all women in concentrating camps and starving them all to death in the Epilogue.

But apparently later he managed to stop some by force, anger, and delightful spite in the end through murder in his "Day of Retrobution" where he got back at them for making him feel this bad through all those years. You see this is so because he is a "fighter" and would not accept such "injustice" done to him unlike some of his friends.

Short words: a loser's "revenge." He knew that he was talentless, short, not powerful, loser.

If I cannot have it, I will destroy it.
and
If I cannot have it, no one will
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How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more.
and

How could an inferior Mexican guy be able to date a white blonde girl (his primal sex fantasy object), while I was still suffering as a lonely virgin?
and one of the house mates that were bragging of not being virgin were hated because:

..of his pig-face. How could such an ugly animal have had sexual experiences with girls, and yet I haven't?
and
The ugly pig kept acting as girls thought that he was more attractive than me. Hah! I am a beautiful, magnificent gentlemen and he is a low class, pig-faced thug.

Yes, I am the image of beauty and supremacy
and "I am the superior gentleman" he says to himself over and over in order to feel more confident. During planning of his "Redemption Day" he called himself "I am superior to them all. I am Elliot Rodger... Magnificent, glorious, supreme, eminent,... Divine! I am the closest thing there is to a God!"

He mentions that some Hispanics were of "low class type." Since he comes from aristocratic high British background going to a public house was not an option it seems (luckily then that is why rape should be out of the question too). But should the "cruelness of women" make a girl not say "Hi" back he would say "That foul bitch! How dare she!" and go crying on the rest room instead. The later seems a better option rather than adapting to different non UK standards? (though he did not want to go to England neither later on).

Was a good read, thanks. It reminded me how unbearable life was of not having any during my early teenage years too. But knowing that it gets this bad after a while I am glad I got married sooner and am no longer bothered from the persisting sexual cravings constantly and their frustrations.

I think he would have had more luck at a later stage (say 30's?) when women start paying attention to gentlemen more. During teenage and young adult years I think it is too much of pressure to have sex for anyone to put some consideration to gentleness as a preferred sexual facet. Someone like his father for instance should have told him that in time.
 
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Exactly, the entire time this guy is bragging on his numbers and explaining that "they need to be put down so they'll be at my level" I was thinking that it's really pathetic to feel so poorly about one's own self that they have to bring people down to their level. It's a horrible attitude. I look at all aspects of life the same way, I am me, I have what I have to work with and people will either be on board or they won't.

Actually he perceived himself too divine for other lower classes. I think this ordinal classification of humans is the core source of his jealousy, envy, spite, anger, and frustration of not having any (i.e., someone that highly should have girls undressed by a mere look).
 
Did you miss the fact that he murdered 3 of the 6 in a face to face confrontation...with a knife?

Must...blame...guns...

Where did you read he knifed anyone? That would take balls to actually confront someone that upclose.
 
Where did you read he knifed anyone? That would take balls to actually confront someone that upclose.

Nah, the coward waited for his roommates to go to sleep, then hit them in the head with a hammer, then stabbed them repeatedly (or at least that is what he planned to do in his manifesto). Since there were 3 people found knifed dead in his home, and he pretty much carried out the rest of his sick plan, I think we can safely assume that he killed his 2 roommates and one of their friends (or he lured a neighbor into his apartment). There is no way that chicken-**** had the balls to confront 3 conscious people.
 
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