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Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

once protected you can't use motor vehicles on the land or any other type of vehicle. so BP trying to chase down illegals don't be able to enter with their trucks and other vehicles.
he doesn't care about anything.

he wants to turn the US into a 3rd world country.

How Obama Thinks - Forbes


I've read the same thing about vehicles not being allowed ..... hopefully they can shore up the law enforcement issues before it gets out of hand.

I don't believe he wants this to be a 3rd world country... frustration borne hyperbole is very rarely accurate, if ever.
 
I've read the same thing about vehicles not being allowed ..... hopefully they can shore up the law enforcement issues before it gets out of hand.

I don't believe he wants this to be a 3rd world country... frustration borne hyperbole is very rarely accurate, if ever.

he is an anti-colonialist. he thinks america got the way that it did by robbing other countries and people.
that is why he gave like 300m dollars to brazil to drill oil but won't approve a pipeline here in america.

why else do you allow a flood of no skill workers amensty into this country?
when elis island was still open if you didn't have a skill of some kind you weren't allowed to enter. why? you had to be able to work and find a job.

the fact that obama consistantly ignores our immigration laws says it all.
 
That law is Terrible. Another fed land grab for ego and politics
 
yep which is why obama has not deported any of them. once they are hear they get full legal protection when they should be put back on a plane shipped back to their home country and the bill sent to their country for the cost.

this is a disaster and all of them are stating the reason they are coming here in droves is because they can get amnesty that obama keeps going on and on about.


Yeah the Leader of Honduras came up to take a look see.....even she said ya can't tell kids that some will be allowed to come and work and stay, and not expect that other Children from all over Central America will not come.

So BO.....getting up and making a Speech saying Don't send your Children, they will be sent back. Was nothing more than BO misleading the Nation again.....huh?

Plus he just throws a bunch of money to these 3 Countries outside of Mexico. Yet where is any talks with Mexico about them letting all this mass Migration wander thru their Country?
 
no other president declared a monument on our border that allows illegals to cross and doesn't allow BP to do it's job.
unless the president gives authorization CBP can't enter the area nor can any other law enforcment agency.

CPB HAS ALREADY STATED that this will not restrict their border security in the are. It's in the post you quoted.
 
That law is Terrible. Another fed land grab for ego and politics

National monuments are typically created on lands already owned by the public. You for reversing all national monuments and allowing development to those lands?
 
Bush's declaration ended much commercial fishing in this monument, larger than all monuments ever created combined!!!! Had Obama done this, he would have been accused of hurting commerce. But partisan republicans had no complaint. I don't either, I'm glad Bush, fed up with congressional bull **** went around them and preserved this awesome place, and that Jean Cousteau succeeded in convincing the president of its importance!
 
he is an anti-colonialist. he thinks america got the way that it did by robbing other countries and people.
that is why he gave like 300m dollars to brazil to drill oil but won't approve a pipeline here in america.
well, i know quite a few native Americans.. and they all would agree that we pretty much robbed them of their lands... and i would agree as well.
we're not innocent angels ... we're also not really colonial, except in an economic sense.

why else do you allow a flood of no skill workers amensty into this country?
to garner more present and future votes, primarily.
when elis island was still open if you didn't have a skill of some kind you weren't allowed to enter. why? you had to be able to work and find a job.
your talking about legal immigration regulations... which, by definition, don't apply to illegal immigrants.

the fact that obama consistantly ignores our immigration laws says it all.
for the most part, he's just going along with his voter base.
and besides, the more illegal unskilled labor we allow in , the more the government will be providing them with benefits... which fits nicely into the mold his voter base have created for this country (the welfare state)
 
Bush's declaration ended much commercial fishing in this monument, larger than all monuments ever created combined!!!! Had Obama done this, he would have been accused of hurting commerce. But partisan republicans had no complaint. I don't either, I'm glad Bush, fed up with congressional bull **** went around them and preserved this awesome place, and that Jean Cousteau succeeded in convincing the president of its importance!

congress is not needed to declare national monuments..... nobody is going around congress on this... not Bush, not Obama.. not any President since Teddy.

as an aside, Tu Quoque fallacies make for poor arguments
 
congress is not needed to declare national monuments..... nobody is going around congress on this... not Bush, not Obama.. not any President since Teddy.

as an aside, Tu Quoque fallacies make for poor arguments

I believe I pointed out sometime ago that presidents on both sides of the isle have used the antiquities act!
 
National monuments are typically created on lands already owned by the public. You for reversing all national monuments and allowing development to those lands?
Im all for repealing pretty much all federal land control, revisiting each on a case by case basis and hammering the presidential ability to do this.
 
Im all for repealing pretty much all federal land control, revisiting each on a case by case basis and hammering the presidential ability to do this.

Ok, I appreciate the consistency.
 
congress is not needed to declare national monuments..... nobody is going around congress on this... not Bush, not Obama.. not any President since Teddy.

as an aside, Tu Quoque fallacies make for poor arguments

Btw, I pointed this out to expose hypocrisy, not to justify wrong doing (despite the fact that there has been no wrong doing)
 
CBP maintains that this will have no effect on border security!


“This designation will in no way limit our ability to perform our important border security mission, and in fact provides important flexibility as we work to meet this ongoing priority,” said spokeswoman Jenny Burke. “CBP is committed to continuing to work closely with the Department of the Interior and the U.S. Forest Service to maintain border security while ensuring the protection of the environment along the border.”

Read more: Obama to designate national monument in New Mexico - Washington Times
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Gotta blame that damn republican Roosevelt for setting a precedent since used by democratic and republican presidents alike.

Like i said, I wasnt making that argument. But it doesnt matter what party he is. The states never gave the govt the power to nationalize land for the purposes of preserving antiquities. Not everyone here is a partisan.
 
Like i said, I wasnt making that argument. But it doesnt matter what party he is. The states never gave the govt the power to nationalize land for the purposes of preserving antiquities. Not everyone here is a partisan.

Ok, that's cool. If as a nation we want to remove the Antiquities Act, and require presidents go through congress, that's fine. But Boehner and his followers need to dispense with the faulty argument that it is illegal or otherwise wrong for a president to circumvent congress in this manner. PARTICULARLY sense it was a republican president that established the precedent, and it being used by republican presidents subsequently.
 
congress is not needed to declare national monuments..... nobody is going around congress on this... not Bush, not Obama.. not any President since Teddy.

as an aside, Tu Quoque fallacies make for poor arguments

It was this to which I referred to with regards to congresses failure to act.


This Article is the first to explore an alternate means to modify and protect existing national marine sanctuaries when Congress fails to to do so. The 1972 National Marine Sanctuaries Act is the only federal legislation that provides for the designation of large-scale ocean areas for long-term protection and management. For nearly thirty years, it was customary for Congress to reauthorize the Act to meet the increasingly complex regulatory and stakeholder needs of sanctuary management—until now. Congress has not reauthorized the Act since 2000, and a pall of uncertainty has been cast over the National Marine Sanctuaries Program. The most pressing need for national marine sanctuaries is the development of a resourceful way to achieve conservation objectives despite this congressional inaction. The Antiquities Act, a century-old statute providing for the declaration of national monuments (which has been applied almost exclusively to dry land) may provide a useful tool to help maintain existing national marine sanctuaries until Congress is able to reauthorize the National Marine Sanctuaries Act.

http://elawreview.org/articles/volu...scape-modification-under-the-antiquities-act/
 
It was this to which I referred to with regards to congresses failure to act.


This Article is the first to explore an alternate means to modify and protect existing national marine sanctuaries when Congress fails to to do so. The 1972 National Marine Sanctuaries Act is the only federal legislation that provides for the designation of large-scale ocean areas for long-term protection and management. For nearly thirty years, it was customary for Congress to reauthorize the Act to meet the increasingly complex regulatory and stakeholder needs of sanctuary management—until now. Congress has not reauthorized the Act since 2000, and a pall of uncertainty has been cast over the National Marine Sanctuaries Program. The most pressing need for national marine sanctuaries is the development of a resourceful way to achieve conservation objectives despite this congressional inaction. The Antiquities Act, a century-old statute providing for the declaration of national monuments (which has been applied almost exclusively to dry land) may provide a useful tool to help maintain existing national marine sanctuaries until Congress is able to reauthorize the National Marine Sanctuaries Act.

Monumental Seascape Modification Under the Antiquities Act - Environmental Law


Well then Monte.....its time to talk to Mexico and play a little hardball. Cut off the flow from the opening.


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Well then Monte.....its time to talk to Mexico and play a little hardball. Cut off the flow from the opening.


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What do you mean MMC?
 
CPB HAS ALREADY STATED that this will not restrict their border security in the are. It's in the post you quoted.

I have a US house member that says otherwise. unless there is an exception written into the order they will not have access.
many people are already questioning and the house is urging the president to give them permission to do so.
 
unfortunately for you.. I have the backing of long held law to base my claim on.

Unfortunately for you, you cant predict the future. Lets stick to the debate though, and not make rhetorical claims.
 
I have a US house member that says otherwise. unless there is an exception written into the order they will not have access.
many people are already questioning and the house is urging the president to give them permission to do so.

Las Cruces, New Mexico – Veterans are strongly refuting unfounded claims by Representative Rob Bishop (R-UT) that the designation of the Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks National Monument will increase illegal border crossings or hinder Customs and Border Patrol efforts in this area. These criticisms are intended to incite fear and are not supported by the facts.

Prior to the broadly supported national monument designation, Senators Udall and Heinrich and the Department of Interior worked with the Department of Homeland Security, including U.S. Border Patrol, to ensure that the ability to conduct law enforcement activities in the National Monument would be unimpeded.

The reality is that the Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks national monument designation retains U.S. Border Patrol’s current access to public lands within and around the monument boundary. Law enforcement activities will continue and be unaffected.

http://www.vetvoicefoundation.org/new/military-veterans-border-patrol
 
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