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Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

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Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico - WSJ.com
House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio), though, faulted the president's "unilateral action," saying the latest national monument designation would undermine security by limiting law enforcement access to high crime areas near the U.S.-Mexico border.

"Once again, the president has chosen to bypass the legislative branch--and, in this case, do so in a manner that adds yet another challenge in our ongoing efforts to secure our Southern border," Mr. Boehner said. "At a time of continued cartel violence in Mexico, we should not be putting any additional restraints on efforts to protect our borders."

The Obama administration should have included protections to ensure the U.S. Border Patrol and other agencies have adequate access the southwest border, Mr. Boehner said. Such legislation was introduced in Congress but never passed into law.

The national monument was the 11th established by Mr. Obama.

Another land grab. THis represents about 2% of all land in New Mexico. He does this under an act passed in 1906 by Teddy Roosevelt, even though no such power exists in the constitution to do so. I dont know what the legal status of the land was before this. I assume the federal govt would argue that it owns all of southwest due to the Mexican War, and states just rent it. So it can decide how all of it will be used.
 
Having essentially stolen it from Mexico, its questionable.
 
Another land grab. THis represents about 2% of all land in New Mexico. He does this under an act passed in 1906 by Teddy Roosevelt, even though no such power exists in the constitution to do so. I dont know what the legal status of the land was before this. I assume the federal govt would argue that it owns all of southwest due to the Mexican War, and states just rent it. So it can decide how all of it will be used.

i'm not sure how designating this land a " national momentum" has the effect of restraining efforts on border protection....
 
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo disagrees with your off topic remark.

Sorry for it to be off topic, but kicking Mexico's ass over trumped up charges on the Rio Grande and forcing a treaty which forgave 15 million dollars of debt to citizens wasn't exactly a real estate transaction in the legal sense of things. But yes, to agree with j5, it seems a land grab, but not unlike such land grabs by previous administrations.
 
Another land grab. THis represents about 2% of all land in New Mexico. He does this under an act passed in 1906 by Teddy Roosevelt, even though no such power exists in the constitution to do so. I dont know what the legal status of the land was before this. I assume the federal govt would argue that it owns all of southwest due to the Mexican War, and states just rent it. So it can decide how all of it will be used.

In reality once you paid off your mortgage and supposedly own your own house, you really don't. You are just renting it from the government, don't pay the taxes for a couple of years and see who comes and gets your house. So the government basically owns everything, we just rend everything.
 
In reality once you paid off your mortgage and supposedly own your own house, you really don't. You are just renting it from the government, don't pay the taxes for a couple of years and see who comes and gets your house. So the government basically owns everything, we just rend everything.

Too true, albeit that it would be a very local government seizure.
 
i'm not sure how designating this land a " national momentum" has the effect of restraining efforts on border protection....

I didnt make that argument. However, the states have argued that point. They would know better than me.
 
In reality once you paid off your mortgage and supposedly own your own house, you really don't. You are just renting it from the government, don't pay the taxes for a couple of years and see who comes and gets your house. So the government basically owns everything, we just rend everything.

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

The deck is definitely stacked against us! :mrgreen: If you stop making house payments to the bank, they'll take it. Okay, I understand that because they have lent you the money to buy the house, and they expect to get their loan money back. However, if you finally pay your mortgage off, but don't pay your property taxes, the county government can take it, even though they haven't lent you a dime? Kudos to whatever attorney thought up that scam! If they were to be kind enough to provide the personnel to keep your lawn mowed, and your house painted, and your windows washed, so you didn't have to do it, I guess they might have a valid claim, but as it is, the system is great for everyone except the hapless homeowner! *I understand that the county needs revenue to operate, "for the greater good," so my comment was made tongue-in-cheek!* It still doesn't explain how they feel they own your house, though. :lol:
 
Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

The deck is definitely stacked against us! :mrgreen: If you stop making house payments to the bank, they'll take it. Okay, I understand that because they have lent you the money to buy the house, and they expect to get their loan money back. However, if you finally pay your mortgage off, but don't pay your property taxes, the county government can take it, even though they haven't lent you a dime? Kudos to whatever attorney thought up that scam! If they were to be kind enough to provide the personnel to keep your lawn mowed, and your house painted, and your windows washed, so you didn't have to do it, I guess they might have a valid claim, but as it is, the system is great for everyone except the hapless homeowner! *I understand that the county needs revenue to operate, "for the greater good," so my comment was made tongue-in-cheek!* It still doesn't explain how they feel they own your house, though. :lol:

Howdy Pol! Yeah, I seem to think it was Jefferson that fancied life liberty and the ownership of property which would have precluded a property tax. Along the way it was hijacked and now we have the right to pursue happiness instead, lol.
 
I didnt make that argument. However, the states have argued that point. They would know better than me.

that's cool.. i wasn't pointing to anyone in particular... just an argument that i didn't understand.

i've done a lil reading on it and understand now.... Obama designation will bar local law enforcement from driving on the land ( there's 500k acres in this new "monument").. thereby creating a safe zone for cartels to operate.

Obama counterargument was " it will generate $7.4 million in new annual economic activity"... but i'm not sure of the credibility of that particular claim.

with federal law enforcement not being able to do even close to a decent job along the border, it's a bit odd Obama would ignore serious security and safety concerns... but, as usual, he really isn't too keen on addressing the concerns of anyone outside of his little political sphere.
 
Howdy Pol! Yeah, I seem to think it was Jefferson that fancied life liberty and the ownership of property which would have precluded a property tax. Along the way it was hijacked and now we have the right to pursue happiness instead, lol.

:agree: But have you noticed that we're usually left with the illusive choices, though, like "pursuing happiness," while they get the concrete revenue? :mrgreen:

Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:
 
Nice to know Obama is focusing on the important stuff...
 
:agree: But have you noticed that we're usually left with the illusive choices, though, like "pursuing happiness," while they get the concrete revenue? :mrgreen:

Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:

Yep, you got that right!!
 
that's cool.. i wasn't pointing to anyone in particular... just an argument that i didn't understand.

i've done a lil reading on it and understand now.... Obama designation will bar local law enforcement from driving on the land ( there's 500k acres in this new "monument").. thereby creating a safe zone for cartels to operate.

Obama counterargument was " it will generate $7.4 million in new annual economic activity"... but i'm not sure of the credibility of that particular claim.

with federal law enforcement not being able to do even close to a decent job along the border, it's a bit odd Obama would ignore serious security and safety concerns... but, as usual, he really isn't too keen on addressing the concerns of anyone outside of his little political sphere.

Hopefully the state will sue the govt over it. Supreme Court is on a roll right now, ruling against these kinds of unconstitutional actions.
 
Another land grab. THis represents about 2% of all land in New Mexico. He does this under an act passed in 1906 by Teddy Roosevelt, even though no such power exists in the constitution to do so. I dont know what the legal status of the land was before this. I assume the federal govt would argue that it owns all of southwest due to the Mexican War, and states just rent it. So it can decide how all of it will be used.

This is even worse, because now BP can't go after illegals that want to cut through there. My state rep informed me of this and i can't believe this is allowable.
this so called monument butts right up to the border. it will not allow border patrol to chase any illegal that decides to cross there.

obama just created the largest gateway for illegal to flood into this country.
the same way he has allowed 50k illegal kids to enter this country since october of this year.

this guys ignorance of our laws should be enough for removal of office for high crimes.

i can't believe people voted for this idiot. not just once but twice. he still has 2 more years to go how much further can he ruin this country.
i don't think we will be able to recover from obama.

what will be worse if the morons of this nation will put hillary in next.
of course after amnesty is passed which is why we are seeing this flood of illegal immigration it will all but ensure her victory.
 
that's cool.. i wasn't pointing to anyone in particular... just an argument that i didn't understand.

i've done a lil reading on it and understand now.... Obama designation will bar local law enforcement from driving on the land ( there's 500k acres in this new "monument").. thereby creating a safe zone for cartels to operate.

Obama counterargument was " it will generate $7.4 million in new annual economic activity"... but i'm not sure of the credibility of that particular claim.

with federal law enforcement not being able to do even close to a decent job along the border, it's a bit odd Obama would ignore serious security and safety concerns... but, as usual, he really isn't too keen on addressing the concerns of anyone outside of his little political sphere.

once protected you can't use motor vehicles on the land or any other type of vehicle. so BP trying to chase down illegals don't be able to enter with their trucks and other vehicles.
he doesn't care about anything.

he wants to turn the US into a 3rd world country.

How Obama Thinks - Forbes
 
This is even worse, because now BP can't go after illegals that want to cut through there. My state rep informed me of this and i can't believe this is allowable.
this so called monument butts right up to the border. it will not allow border patrol to chase any illegal that decides to cross there.

obama just created the largest gateway for illegal to flood into this country.
the same way he has allowed 50k illegal kids to enter this country since october of this year.

this guys ignorance of our laws should be enough for removal of office for high crimes.

i can't believe people voted for this idiot. not just once but twice. he still has 2 more years to go how much further can he ruin this country.
i don't think we will be able to recover from obama.

what will be worse if the morons of this nation will put hillary in next.
of course after amnesty is passed which is why we are seeing this flood of illegal immigration it will all but ensure her victory.
Right on ludin. I couldn't have said it better.
 
Besides the obvious BS that this is causing...has any other President unilaterally made something "national monuments"?
 
Another land grab. THis represents about 2% of all land in New Mexico. He does this under an act passed in 1906 by Teddy Roosevelt, even though no such power exists in the constitution to do so. I dont know what the legal status of the land was before this. I assume the federal govt would argue that it owns all of southwest due to the Mexican War, and states just rent it. So it can decide how all of it will be used.

CBP maintains that this will have no effect on border security!


“This designation will in no way limit our ability to perform our important border security mission, and in fact provides important flexibility as we work to meet this ongoing priority,” said spokeswoman Jenny Burke. “CBP is committed to continuing to work closely with the Department of the Interior and the U.S. Forest Service to maintain border security while ensuring the protection of the environment along the border.”

Read more: Obama to designate national monument in New Mexico - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

Gotta blame that damn republican Roosevelt for setting a precedent since used by democratic and republican presidents alike.
 
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This is even worse, because now BP can't go after illegals that want to cut through there. My state rep informed me of this and i can't believe this is allowable.
this so called monument butts right up to the border. it will not allow border patrol to chase any illegal that decides to cross there.

obama just created the largest gateway for illegal to flood into this country.
the same way he has allowed 50k illegal kids to enter this country since october of this year.

this guys ignorance of our laws should be enough for removal of office for high crimes.

i can't believe people voted for this idiot. not just once but twice. he still has 2 more years to go how much further can he ruin this country.
i don't think we will be able to recover from obama.

what will be worse if the morons of this nation will put hillary in next.
of course after amnesty is passed which is why we are seeing this flood of illegal immigration it will all but ensure her victory.



Mornin Ludin. :2wave: Yeah I heard a few of the Immigrants saying over the radio that whoever puts their family back together will have their vote. Most were Kids that had grown up in the US. Been here all their life.....but want their mother or father brought back in or siblings.

Seem like it is an open pathway to me ......accessible like NAFTA.
 
Besides the obvious BS that this is causing...has any other President unilaterally made something "national monuments"?

Yes they have. it is usually not acres and acres of land though that sits right on the border.
 
CBP maintains that this will have no effect on border security!


“This designation will in no way limit our ability to perform our important border security mission, and in fact provides important flexibility as we work to meet this ongoing priority,” said spokeswoman Jenny Burke. “CBP is committed to continuing to work closely with the Department of the Interior and the U.S. Forest Service to maintain border security while ensuring the protection of the environment along the border.”

Read more: Obama to designate national monument in New Mexico - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

Gotta blame that damn republican Roosevelt for setting a precedent since used by democratic and republican presidents alike.

no other president declared a monument on our border that allows illegals to cross and doesn't allow BP to do it's job.
unless the president gives authorization CBP can't enter the area nor can any other law enforcment agency.
 
Mornin Ludin. :2wave: Yeah I heard a few of the Immigrants saying over the radio that whoever puts their family back together will have their vote. Most were Kids that had grown up in the US. Been here all their life.....but want their mother or father brought back in or siblings.

Seem like it is an open pathway to me ......accessible like NAFTA.

yep which is why obama has not deported any of them. once they are hear they get full legal protection when they should be put back on a plane shipped back to their home country and the bill sent to their country for the cost.

this is a disaster and all of them are stating the reason they are coming here in droves is because they can get amnesty that obama keeps going on and on about.
 
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