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Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

Obama has got his best tiger teams on this...and you can bet they are doubling down to fix this just like they did with healthcare. Were going to come out of this with the greatest VA system the world has ever seen because Barack is on the case now...
 
apdst said:
There were 26 hospitals who faked information. That decision came from on high. If Shenki knew, then he needs to go to jail. If he didn't know, he's too incompetent to run the show.
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There is a third option...he didn't know and he isn't incompetent.

"...The accusations come from Dr. Sam Foote, who worked at the VA for 24 years before retiring in December. He then sent letters to government officials, the Arizona Republic and CNN saying that VA administrators had two waiting lists: the fake one they sent to higher-ups that showed patients were seen in a timely fashion in line with VA standards; and the real one where some patients waited over a year for treatment...."
Phoenix VA Director Put on Leave After Secret Wait List, Patient Death Allegations - The Wire

I don't think getting lied to makes someone incompetent. I just think it means they were deceived.
 
Moot said:
It's the military. Firing people didn't fix the problem when three generals were forced to resign back in 2007 over the Walter Reed Hospital Scandal. Demanding resignations doesn't fix the problem because it's inbred in the culture.

The other problem with demanding resignations is that people can learn from their mistakes and are less likely to make the same mistakes again, as opposed to bringing in someone new and having the same mistakes made as under previous leadership.....which appears to be the case here.
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The VA is not part of the military.
 
Moot said:
There is a third option...he didn't know and he isn't incompetent.

"...The accusations come from Dr. Sam Foote, who worked at the VA for 24 years before retiring in December. He then sent letters to government officials, the Arizona Republic and CNN saying that VA administrators had two waiting lists: the fake one they sent to higher-ups that showed patients were seen in a timely fashion in line with VA standards; and the real one where some patients waited over a year for treatment...."
Phoenix VA Director Put on Leave After Secret Wait List, Patient Death Allegations - The Wire

I don't think getting lied to makes someone incompetent. I just think it means they were deceived.
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Yeah, the least likely, seeing as there have been IG reports on the VA going back some time now....What a joke Obama is....
 
"Outraged" over Sandy Hill, Benghazi, gay marriage, voter registration, North Korea's missile launches, China's hacking, gun control, now the VA, end result no change, nothing, nada.
 
Moot said:
There is a third option...he didn't know and he isn't incompetent.

"...The accusations come from Dr. Sam Foote, who worked at the VA for 24 years before retiring in December. He then sent letters to government officials, the Arizona Republic and CNN saying that VA administrators had two waiting lists: the fake one they sent to higher-ups that showed patients were seen in a timely fashion in line with VA standards; and the real one where some patients waited over a year for treatment...."
Phoenix VA Director Put on Leave After Secret Wait List, Patient Death Allegations - The Wire

I don't think getting lied to makes someone incompetent. I just think it means they were deceived.
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So, you are trying to have us believe that Obama didn't know what was going on at the VA....Yeah, not so much...

President Obama’s transition team was warned in 2008 that repeated audits showed the Veterans Affairs Department was misreporting wait times for medical treatment, including one audit revealing delays nearly 10 times worse than the department was officially acknowledging.

The situation was so bad that the inspector general said it stopped trying to police the issue until the VA could prove its information was accurate — raising a red flag for the transition team, according to documents obtained by The Washington Times.


Read more: Obama transition team told about 3 audits showing VA misreported wait times - Washington Times
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But yeah, keep going with that lie....;)
 
TeleKat said:
Obama is truly outraged. He's so outraged, in fact, that he will sit back in his chair and do nothing about it like every single other thing he's been "outraged" about.
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He has a pen and a phone...those are the tools of change.
 
earthworm said:
Neither the government nor the VA will listen to perceived fools (you and I).
That, IMO is the problem, that and knocking others(particularly our President) without them being around to debate and refute..
I am a patient of the VA medical system...at least it is affordable is clumsy and slow at times...It can be improved....the director of the VA can listen to some patients(but not me, damnit)...
BTW, its the job of Congress to do these things (improve), NOT the President. We need a Democratic Congress with Democratic control in the House....the tea baggers must go !
And, Shrub, do you have just one good idea as to improving our VA ?
I do ...I think their communications can be better, right now, it is stifled by conservatism and excessive security.
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I am a vet as well. I use the VA once a year so they get funding for me showing up.

One issue that has not even been mentioned is there is an extreme difference in care and services state to state in the VA system. Your care in PA may be far greater than a vet in Louisiana. The VA system should go away and the vets should have the ability to see local doctors for care that is reimbursed by the VA. Just like ACA, medicare...
 
Blue_State said:
I am a vet as well. I use the VA once a year so they get funding for me showing up.

One issue that has not even been mentioned is there is an extreme difference in care and services state to state in the VA system. Your care in PA may be far greater than a vet in Louisiana. The VA system should go away and the vets should have the ability to see local doctors for care that is reimbursed by the VA. Just like ACA, medicare...
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While I agree, can you imagine the progressive attack against Republican's had they proposed doing away with the VA, or cutting funding in favor of this?
 
Moot said:
It's the military. Firing people didn't fix the problem when three generals were forced to resign back in 2007 over the Walter Reed Hospital Scandal. Demanding resignations doesn't fix the problem because it's inbred in the culture.

The other problem with demanding resignations is that people can learn from their mistakes and are less likely to make the same mistakes again, as opposed to bringing in someone new and having the same mistakes made as under previous leadership.....which appears to be the case here.
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The VA is not part of the military. A majority of the people working at/for the VA are in fact civilians. Some are National Guard or Army Reserve, but their employment at the VA is at a civilian capacity.
 
So what's the good word today? Has our President made any strides with his new "I'm such a toughie" act? Is he holding people (including himself) accountable yet, or is he waiting for some report?
 
j-mac said:
While I agree, can you imagine the progressive attack against Republican's had they proposed doing away with the VA, or cutting funding in favor of this?
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It would end this entire issue. While we are destroying bureaucracy (who knew bureaucracy could be slow), I have a few other institutions that we could do away with as well.
 
j-mac said:
While I agree, can you imagine the progressive attack against Republican's had they proposed doing away with the VA, or cutting funding in favor of this?
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Someone suggested a voucher system for Vets so they could attend nearby doctors and hospitals more easily but the outcry would be similar to vouchers for students. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, and all the broken promises, they still believe government is the solution rather than the problem.
 
Grant said:
Someone suggested a voucher system for Vets so they could attend nearby doctors and hospitals more easily but the outcry would be similar to vouchers for students. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, and all the broken promises, they still believe government is the solution rather than the problem.
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I certainly think that would be an excellent idea. It's a great idea for Medicare coverage also. If the government has promised health care coverage whether it be Vets, Medicare.....by supplying them with vouchers to purchase coverage in the private sector would end two huge bureaucracies that are so inadequately run. Some vets have to travel quite far to even seek medical treatment. This way they could find a doctor closer to them and more readily available when needed. Excellent idea.
 
Blue_State said:
I am a vet as well. I use the VA once a year so they get funding for me showing up.

One issue that has not even been mentioned is there is an extreme difference in care and services state to state in the VA system. Your care in PA may be far greater than a vet in Louisiana. The VA system should go away and the vets should have the ability to see local doctors for care that is reimbursed by the VA. Just like ACA, medicare...
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The VA Healthcare system can differ wildly from hospital to hospital even in the same state. I use the James Lovell Federal Healthcare Facility in North Chicago, Illinois (Great Lakes Navy Base combined active duty VA facility). If the federal government ever wanted to use a blueprint on how to run a healthcare facility, they could use this hospital as an example. I receive some of the best healthcare available, but you go just 50-miles South and there is the Edward Hines VA Hospital in Chicago . . . it is the arm pit of the VA healthcare system. It would be fair to note the VA hospital in Milwaukee is outstanding as well.

I didn't blame George Bush for Walter Reed, and I am not blaming Obama for this. It's amazing how many people think the president of the United States micromanages every single department under him. Dollars to doughnuts these offenses were carried out by career employees within the VA System. A system that remains broken, but with a little work, could function as well as the James Lovell Federal Healthcare Facility.
 
vesper said:
I certainly think that would be an excellent idea. It's a great idea for Medicare coverage also. If the government has promised health care coverage whether it be Vets, Medicare.....by supplying them with vouchers to purchase coverage in the private sector would end two huge bureaucracies that are so inadequately run. Some vets have to travel quite far to even seek medical treatment. This way they could find a doctor closer to them and more readily available when needed. Excellent idea.
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Don't want to run off track but there are many who believe that the government getting involved heavily in health care is a good thing and nothing like VA will occur. Glowing reports from other countries, including Canada, have been used as examples of government competence. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/can...it-times-may-cost-44-273-women-192709161.html Caveat Emptor!
 
When my dad went to the VA, he got right in, saw a doctor right away, and was admitted to the hospital. That was in California.

I wonder if the problems with the VA might be local rather than a general indictment of VA?

Or, maybe the services have been overwhelmed by the needs of soldiers coming home from Iraq and Afganistan with severe war wounds.
 
Grant said:
Someone suggested a voucher system for Vets so they could attend nearby doctors and hospitals more easily but the outcry would be similar to vouchers for students. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, and all the broken promises, they still believe government is the solution rather than the problem.
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Aint that the truth. The Left's solution for failed government is always more government.
 
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