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Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

Only in Western culture.

European colonization and Christianity/Islam are the primary culprits of the rejection of LGBT people.
Those two sentences are contradictory. It's clearly more than just Western culture, in fact, it is- as has been rightly pointed out- an eye-watering majority of human history and civilizations.
 
Those two sentences are contradictory. It's clearly more than just Western culture, in fact, it is- as has been rightly pointed out- an eye-watering majority of human history and civilizations.
I disagree, but I've got to run to the gym.

At least I'll live to see Western culture completely reverse itself and spearhead the removal of the bans on gay marriage / widespread acceptance of LGBT people.
 
1.)But the agenda of the minority should dictate the rights of the majority ?
2.) No one is depriving them of their rights.
3.) Its not about equal treatment, this is about activism.
4.)Attacking the traditional definition of marriage.
5.) tradition or a standard that wasn't voted on. It arose out of a natural process of societal evolution.
6.) It transcended religion and culture as different groups of peoppe alver the world accepted and agreed upon the fundamental definition of what a marriage is.
7.) Now that definition is being challenged in the name of equal rights.
8.) But if your attacked and ostracized for your opinion, an opinion that contradicts theirs, how are your equal rights being protected ?
9.)Its their way or the High way. Thats not equal rights.
10.)Thats a dictatorship.

1.) what agenda?
majority agrees with equal rights
and neither minority or majority can infringe on the rights of others
You seem very confused on the facts of this issue and how rights works
2.) as over federal judges disagree with your statment
3.) wrong again as facts prove
4.) another failed strawman, its not under attack in any way what so ever by equal rights
5.) your opinions of traditions and standards dont matter to equal rights/legal marriage
6.) see #5
7.) false its not being challenged you are still free have it
8.) more fantasy
9.) actually it is equal rights. YOU dont want it but the Constitution is against you so its happening anyway.
10.) nope it equality winning over your dictatorship

your way they dont have equal rights
the constitutions way you both do

facts win again
 
Only in Western culture.



European colonization and Christianity/Islam are the primary culprits of the rejection of LGBT people.


-and- how much of the world was influenced by these religions and throw in Judaism while you're at it. What's left? ;)




ority of American support gay marriage. You're in a tiny minority.

I don't think the voting record supports this claim.

As to your examples of the celebration of homosexuality and of gender differences recognition, it doesn't apply to Fenton's argument as neither of these civilizations contributed in any meaningful way to modern society. I'd also argue the truth about some of those wiki claims, but would it really matter?


Tim-
 
I disagree, but I've got to run to the gym.

At least I'll live to see Western culture completely reverse itself and spearhead the removal of the bans on gay marriage / widespread acceptance of LGBT people.

Ehh, the Romans were the epitome of Western culture I believe (since they encompassed almost the entire western world at one point and influenced all peoples that would later become the French, Germans, etc.). And the Romans were as open as open gets, homosexuality? Take it a step further and have old guys screwing young boys legally and in some cases encouraged to do so.

Sexuality in ancient Rome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ehh, hell it was a way to determine social status too I guess. Anything and everything was legal in Rome, and Ancient Rome is like I said the epitome of Western Civilization and ultimately, western culture.
 
Only in Western culture.

Most non-Western culture celebrated homosexuality and gender minorities. India, Japan and SE Asia have long traditions of accepting not only towards LGBT people, but people of third and fourth genders. The Bugis people in Indonesia (pop. ~5 million) have five genders. Had you been born in the pre-Colombian America and been gay, you'd have your own god that you worshiped or be considered a two-spirit. Take a look at the map, to get an idea of the widespread rejection of "male-female" only.

European colonization and Christianity/Islam are the primary culprits of the rejection of LGBT people.


The majority of American support gay marriage. You're in a tiny minority.



LOL !!

You're literally just making stuff up as you go along.

North Africa was historically "Western culture" ?

The Middle East ? South America ?

And show me the Objective polls that show "most Americans support Gay marriage ".

Because your opinion isn't worth the bandwidth you just wasted posting it

The activist that are hypocritically claiming "equal rights" as they target and attack anyone who disagrees with their agenda are definitely NOT in the majority.

The Majority of Americans didnt give a rats ass what people did in their Bed room.

Forcing them to agree with a agenda with threats of exposure and personal attacks is a horrible way to build up support for a agenda.

Its why this is going to backfire
 
What rights of yours go away due to legal SSM?

no one as ever been able to give a factual and reality based answer to this question and they never will
 
Ehh, the Romans were the epitome of Western culture I believe (since they encompassed almost the entire western world at one point and influenced all peoples that would later become the French, Germans, etc.). And the Romans were as open as open gets, homosexuality? Take it a step further and have old guys screwing young boys legally and in some cases encouraged to do so.

Sexuality in ancient Rome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ehh, hell it was a way to determine social status too I guess. Anything and everything was legal in Rome, and Ancient Rome is like I said the epitome of Western Civilization and ultimately, western culture.

The Romans explicitly forbid Gay marriage.

It was against their laws and punishable by death.

Were there homosexuals and Pedophiles in Rome ? Sure, just like there are today everywhere.

The fact is it was written into their laws that governed their Society that marriage was between a man and a woman.

Try finding sources other than Wiki time.

Any clown can post crap on Wiki
 
What rights of yours go away due to legal SSM?



How about being labeled a Bigot and a Hater because I believe the proper definition of Marriage is between a Man and Woman.

How about those who claim to have their agenda justified on the basis of "equal rights" purposely ignoring and attacking the rights of those who may disagree with them.

My problem with Gay marriage has always been a issue of a activist minority getting to redefine a age old definition thats transcended Culture, religion and race.

And they're method of forcing their agenda on the rest of America.
 
How about being labeled a Bigot and a Hater because I believe the proper definition of Marriage is between a Man and Woman.

How about those who claim to have their agenda justified on the basis of "equal rights" purposely ignoring and attacking the rights of those who may disagree with them.

My problem with Gay marriage has always been a issue of a activist minority getting to redefine a age old definition thats transcended Culture, religion and race.

And they're method of forcing their agenda on the rest of America.

You didn't answer the question. Everyone has the right to call names and label people. You have the right to ignore them.

The question is what right is taken from YOU when SSM is legalized and you can't even answer the question without making an appeal to your emotions, which don't matter.
 
But the agenda of the minority should dictate the rights of the majority ?

No one is depriving them of their rights.

Its not about equal treatment, this is about activism.

Attacking the traditional definition of marriage.

A tradition or a standard that wasn't voted on. It arose out of a natural process of societal evolution.

It transcended religion and culture as different groups of peoppe alver the world accepted and agreed upon the fundamental definition of what a marriage is.

Now that definition is being challenged in the name of equal rights.

But if your attacked and ostracized for your opinion, an opinion that contradicts theirs, how are your equal rights being protected ?

Its their way or the High way. Thats not equal rights.

Thats a dictatorship.

I can already call whatever I want to be marriage. The only thing being fought for is the legal definition. I could care less what Webster's dictionary has for the definition of marriage. All I care about is all people having the same protection under the law. They dont. Legal marriage WAS voted on at some point for it to be a law.

Again, it is wrong for a person to be attacked and ostracized for it.
 
How about being labeled a Bigot and a Hater because I believe the proper definition of Marriage is between a Man and Woman.

How about those who claim to have their agenda justified on the basis of "equal rights" purposely ignoring and attacking the rights of those who may disagree with them.

My problem with Gay marriage has always been a issue of a activist minority getting to redefine a age old definition thats transcended Culture, religion and race.

And they're method of forcing their agenda on the rest of America.

The supposed age old definition can stay the same for all I care. Legal marriage has to be equal though. Sally cannot mary Beth because she is a woman. That is sex descrimination. I know this is taking another tack but it just goes to show it is wrong on two levels.
 
I believe so. I'll let you decide though.

Conservative vs Liberal - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

If you're in between on a lot of these, you might be a Libertarian. :)

Read it, not impressed.
Those aren't definitions, they're someone's opinions, someone with a drum to beat. Anyone who says liberalism is about big government and state power either doesn't know what liberalism means or is trying to hijack an ideology he can't admit to admiring. Liberal = bad, so anything good in liberalism is really conservative and anything bad in conservative is really liberal. Poof! Like magic, some dishonest schmuck feels good about himself.
 
1.)How about being labeled a Bigot and a Hater because I believe the proper definition of Marriage is between a Man and Woman.
2.) How about those who claim to have their agenda justified on the basis of "equal rights" purposely ignoring and attacking the rights of those who may disagree with them.
3.) My problem with Gay marriage has always been a issue of a activist minority getting to redefine a age old definition thats transcended Culture, religion and race.
4.) And they're method of forcing their agenda on the rest of America.

1.) this doesnt make you a bigot, thats not the defintion of marriage nor is either a RIGHT
2.) what rights are you referring to again? lol
3.) then your problem is made up because its the majority in america, nobody is redefining anything and culture, religion and race arent changing.
4.) what agenda?


did you not understand the question becaue you didn answer it at all.
Ill repeat the question for you.

What rights of yours go away due to legal SSM(equal rights)?

thanks in advance for answering
 
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Which has nothing to do with the rights of consenting adults to marry.

I never could really understand that obsession of throwing these red herrings into these debates about Gay Marriage.

Every single minority group in the history of mankind has had to fight for their rights. The Lgbt community has been fighting for little over half a century now and we are still making very small gains globally. Capital punishment for simply being homosexual is still enforced even in the year 2014. Louisiana, though they can never enforce it, still ban same sex intercourse. There are other states like it. This is the lgbt's fight though and we are fighting for OUR equality.

If you want to have sex with your daughter or your son or your brother and uncle and mother and grandma and marry them, and you want the right recognized then start campaigning like everyone else has to.


You want to the right to marry your pet hamster. Prove to the courts that an animal can consent. You want polygamy. Prove to the courts that such marriages are economically sustainable on a wide a scale.

That's their fight, not the lgbt community's. So asking gay men and women "Well what about them, do you think they deserve rights?" Why does it matter what our opinion is? People don't think gay men and women deserve equal rights and we still our fighting regardless, because the majority should not be allowed to oppress the minority.

The lgbt has scientific data backing them. Convincing arguments are persuading the public and the law. That's how these things work.
 
I never could really understand that obsession of throwing these red herrings into these debates about Gay Marriage.

Every single minority group in the history of mankind has had to fight for their rights. The Lgbt community has been fighting for little over half a century now and we are still making very small gains globally. Capital punishment for simply being homosexual is still enforced even in the year 2014. Louisiana, though they can never enforce it, still ban same sex intercourse. There are other states like it. This is the lgbt's fight though and we are fighting for OUR equality.

If you want to have sex with your daughter or your son or your brother and uncle and mother and grandma and marry them, and you want the right recognized then start campaigning like everyone else has to.


You want to the right to marry your pet hamster. Prove to the courts that an animal can consent. You want polygamy. Prove to the courts that such marriages are economically sustainable on a wide a scale.

That's their fight, not the lgbt community's. So asking gay men and women "Well what about them, do you think they deserve rights?" Why does it matter what our opinion is? People don't think gay men and women deserve equal rights and we still our fighting regardless, because the majority should not be allowed to oppress the minority.

The lgbt has scientific data backing them. Convincing arguments are persuading the public and the law. That's how these things work.

Fascinating. But I have no idea why you posted it to me. I'm not opposed to gay marriage. I'm not opposed to any marriage.
 
Fascinating. But I have no idea why you posted it to me. I'm not opposed to gay marriage. I'm not opposed to any marriage.

You have, on number of occasion, inquired about the rights of incest couples and polygamist. I don't understand why you do. The gay community's opinion on those issues do no matter. If those people want to be recognized they need to follow the path every other minority has walked to gain rights.

I'll say this though. Incest will be hard to argue. It has many variables that make it hard to tolerate on a scientific level. Not to mention that the dynamic begs the question was one of the partners conditioned into accepting this relationship or is it truly of their own consent.
 
You have, on number of occasion, inquired about the rights of incest couples and polygamist. I don't understand why you do. The gay community's opinion on those issues do no matter. If those people want to be recognized they need to follow the path every other minority has walked to gain rights.

I'll say this though. Incest will be hard to argue. It has many variables that make it hard to tolerate on a scientific level. Not to mention that the dynamic begs the question was one of the partners conditioned into accepting this relationship or is it truly of their own consent.

I was posting to Agent J about marriage rights. But thank you for sharing your opinion on my posts.
 
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