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China bans government use of Windows 8

SayMyName said:
I miss XP.
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I don't. I still use it at work and home. Even my employers IT department isn't stupid enough to endorse the newer OS. That should say something...
 
Blue_State said:
So interesting you mentioned that. We restructured our network and it was working fine until a few iPhones connected to it. We researched the issue and it was the Apple products causing issues. We are currently discussing banning Apple products from the network.
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The way our system is set up, iPhones and iPads wouldn't be able to do anything on our network. We have a script which runs an executable that authenticates our Novell eDirectory to our content filter. And since iPhones and iPads will only run programs from the app store, our script cannot run and the executable will not work.

So there is just no way for iPhones or iPads to connect to our network. We support Windows XP, W7 and reluctantly W8, as well as Suse Linux, but we do not support Apple products and simply CAN'T support iPhones and iPads.

How were iPhones causing problems?
 
Slyfox696 said:
The way our system is set up, iPhones and iPads wouldn't be able to do anything on our network. We have a script which runs an executable that authenticates our Novell eDirectory to our content filter. And since iPhones and iPads will only run programs from the app store, our script cannot run and the executable will not work.

So there is just no way for iPhones or iPads to connect to our network. We support Windows XP, W7 and reluctantly W8, as well as Suse Linux, but we do not support Apple products and simply CAN'T support iPhones and iPads.

How were iPhones causing problems?
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They were causing network drives to be unrecognizable to other computers in the office. Completely strange. I didn't believe it until I found some information about it on the manufacturers website. I am not sure how that was happening in the software or hardware, but it was happening.
 
Blue_State said:
They were causing network drives to be unrecognizable to other computers in the office. Completely strange. I didn't believe it until I found some information about it on the manufacturers website. I am not sure how that was happening in the software or hardware, but it was happening.
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That is strange. I've never heard that before.
 
Mycroft said:
I never can understand the logic when someone like you says that Win8 is "flat out unusable for business". You do understand, don't you, that Win8 is nothing more than an improved and enhanced Win7? If Win7 is usable for business, then it's illogical to say that Win8 is unusable. The same is true with your statement about Win8 being a the "#########" desktop OS available. If Win 7 is a good OS, Win8 is too...only it's better. It's a move toward the future of computing. And, in regard to Office...MS is making changes to the way that software works to make it more compatible and useful for mobile environments. This is right in line with their future goals of making their OS and their software usable across the whole range of digital devices.

And, for sure, competitors will come up with their alternatives. But they will have a hard time at it. Google probably has the best chances, but I don't think they will really hurt MS much. Especially in the business market.
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Absolute rubbish. Win 8 is not an improved enhanced version of win 7. There are no improvements, no enhancements. Look, they screwed the pooch with business when they went to win 7. Up until then the windows standard was set. No matter the version the user knew where to look for things and how to use the OS with a minimum of input. But then in 7 MS decided to change everything around, obfuscated the file system, and plain made a mess of things. The ONLY reason 7 was eventually adopted were the aftermarket fixes available that returned the OS to something usable like win XP.

It is, with win 8, now the crappiest desktop available. The problem is, there are so few alternatives for the novice. They're just stuck with whatever comes with the box. And BS about MS Office. They are simply trying to keep a hold of that market. As I said, it used to be their number one moneymaker. Years ago it reached software bloat stage, where all the features users needed were already there. There was no onus on the consumer to buy another copy, ever. So, they broke the old copies with a new OS.
 
Mycroft said:
I'm thinking that you don't know much about computers. Maybe that's why you are still using XP.

So it goes.
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Careful with that. One might suggest YOU don't know much about computers because you stuck with the inferior OS (win 8) the machine came with. :mrgreen:
 
Mycroft said:
I'm thinking that you don't know much about computers. Maybe that's why you are still using XP.

So it goes.
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If you don't like the interface, you don't like the interface. Cosmetics are a huge issue with Win8.
 
clownboy said:
Careful with that. One might suggest YOU don't know much about computers because you stuck with the inferior OS (win 8) the machine came with. :mrgreen:
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Oh...I am confident. You see, my computer didn't "come" with Win8. I built it in January 2012...months before Win8 was released. I installed Win7 on it. That also wasn't the first computer I've build...only the last one. I spent $3500 on the components with the intention that it'll last me 5+ years before I might be compelled to build a new one. In October 2012, when Win8 was released, I bought that OS for $40, installed it and have been happy with it ever since.
 
clownboy said:
Absolute rubbish. Win 8 is not an improved enhanced version of win 7. There are no improvements, no enhancements.
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The fact that Win8 runs on mobile devices is a huge improvement by itself, not withstanding the many other enhancements that come along with Win8. Your claim is absolute rubbish.

Look, they screwed the pooch with business when they went to win 7. Up until then the windows standard was set. No matter the version the user knew where to look for things and how to use the OS with a minimum of input. But then in 7 MS decided to change everything around, obfuscated the file system, and plain made a mess of things. The ONLY reason 7 was eventually adopted were the aftermarket fixes available that returned the OS to something usable like win XP.
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The people who run large corps don't care if their employees have to click somewhere else to run something or learn a new file system. And as far as a "Windows standard" being set, nothing could be further from the truth. MS has no interest in setting any OS standard. They want to keep updating the OS so they can keep selling new products.
 
Blue_State said:
If you don't like the interface, you don't like the interface. Cosmetics are a huge issue with Win8.
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Sure...I agree with that.

However, just because one doesn't like the interface it doesn't follow that the OS doesn't work, is inferior or is a piece of crap. It just means you don't like the way it looks. On the other hand, even if you don't like the tile interface, you don't ever have to see it or use it if you don't want to. Win8 also includes that good old, familiar desktop interface that any traditional windows user should be perfectly comfortable with. Of course, there is that issue with the Start Button. I know some people just can't bear to be without that. MS knows this, as well. That's why the next update is slated to bring that Start Button back. Personally, I never used the Start Button in Win7 so the absence of it in Win8 was no big deal for me.
 
Mycroft said:
Sure...I agree with that.

However, just because one doesn't like the interface it doesn't follow that the OS doesn't work, is inferior or is a piece of crap. It just means you don't like the way it looks. On the other hand, even if you don't like the tile interface, you don't ever have to see it or use it if you don't want to. Win8 also includes that good old, familiar desktop interface that any traditional windows user should be perfectly comfortable with. Of course, there is that issue with the Start Button. I know some people just can't bear to be without that. MS knows this, as well. That's why the next update is slated to bring that Start Button back. Personally, I never used the Start Button in Win7 so the absence of it in Win8 was no big deal for me.
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Interface is everything when it comes to an operating system. That is what the last 25 years of computer operating systems have been about. If the interface doesn't work, the product doesn't work.
 
Blue_State said:
Interface is everything when it comes to an operating system. That is what the last 25 years of computer operating systems have been about.
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Not even close. I understand why non-technical end-users believe that to be true, but it's not

If the interface doesn't work, the product doesn't work.
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Win8 works. You may not like it, but it works.
 
sangha said:
Not even close. I understand why non-technical end-users believe that to be true, but it's not



Win8 works. You may not like it, but it works.
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Interface is what operating systems have been developing since DOS. Not to mention, Win 9 comes out next year. They are openly saying they are moving away from Win 8.

 
Blue_State said:
Interface is everything when it comes to an operating system. That is what the last 25 years of computer operating systems have been about. If the interface doesn't work, the product doesn't work.
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Your statement is false.

My VIC-20's interface was nothing like Windows, yet that little dynamo of a computer worked very well and Commodore made a lot of money from it. They did even better with the Commodore 64.

Perhaps more people should look beyond the interface when they judge an OS, eh?
 
Blue_State said:
Interface is what operating systems have been developing since DOS. Not to mention, Win 9 comes out next year. They are openly saying they are moving away from Win 8.
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No, the user interface is just one many functions an OS is responsible for. Other responsibilities include device handling, memory management, program execution and interrupt handling, networking and security.

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Looks like a cute little video and I like the organ music at the beginning, but I suspect there are better sources of information about the function of OS software than an article written by a freelance (ie unemployed) journalist with a YouTube acct looking into which OS best suits the needs of a journalist
 
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Mycroft said:
Your statement is false.

My VIC-20's interface was nothing like Windows, yet that little dynamo of a computer worked very well and Commodore made a lot of money from it. They did even better with the Commodore 64.

Perhaps more people should look beyond the interface when they judge an OS, eh?
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If you have a car we a steering wheel under your seat...not real useful right? May fun great, but you can't use it effectively. Interface is everything in the OS system world.
 
sangha said:
No, the user interface is just one many functions an OS is responsible for. Other responsibilities include device handling, memory management, program execution and interrupt handling, networking and security.
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You went through that video quickly. You are not listening, just talking. Thanks for the time Sangha.
 
Blue_State said:
You went through that video quickly. You are not listening, just talking. Thanks for the time Sangha.
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IS the video not about the journalists evaluation of how suitable the UI's of various OS's are for the purposes that a journalist uses a computer for?

An evaluation of UI's does not support your claim that UI's are the most important part of an OS. It is nothing more than "some guy on the internet" rendering his opinion on which UI he likes the most
 
Blue_State said:
If you have a car we a steering wheel under your seat...not real useful right? May fun great, but you can't use it effectively. Interface is everything in the OS system world.
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I've seen that video before. The guy is an idiot. You really shouldn't use his buzzwords (the steering wheel thing). It makes you look like an idiot, as well.

In any event, the tile interface of Win8 works very well, though I'll grant that it works differently than the traditional desktop. An Android phone or tablet interface is different, too, but people don't seem to have a problem learning to use it. But, as I said, if you don't want to use the tile interface, you don't have to. That traditional desktop is still there and the improvements that MS made to Win7 (I'm talking about the actual OS...not the interface) makes Win8 a better OS.
 
Blue_State said:
If you don't like the interface, you don't like the interface. Cosmetics are a huge issue with Win8.
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That's part of the issue. One of the things users of previous MS OSes could count upon was Classic View and the ability to customize every element of the OS to display and operate the way the user is most comfortable. Starting with win 7 MS began to disable that, near complete in win8.

That's always been Apple's problem. You had to use the computer the way Jobs thought you should. Now MS has jumped aboard that train.

It's entirely unusable for business because users have to be retrained from OS version to OS version, unlike in previous MS OSes.
 
clownboy said:
That's part of the issue. One of the things users of previous MS OSes could count upon was Classic View and the ability to customize every element of the OS to display and operate the way the user is most comfortable. Starting with win 7 MS began to disable that, near complete in win8.
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All that says is that the UI is different and that you (and others) don't like it. It doesn't mean that it doesn't work

That's always been Apple's problem. You had to use the computer the way Jobs thought you should. Now MS has jumped aboard that train.

It's entirely unusable for business because users have to be retrained from OS version to OS version, unlike in previous MS OSes.
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Employees have constantly had to learn how to use new versions of Windows (and apps) and it has never rendered any version "unusable for business"
 
sangha said:
The fact that Win8 runs on mobile devices is a huge improvement by itself, not withstanding the many other enhancements that come along with Win8. Your claim is absolute rubbish.
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Again you're spewing nonsense. That it runs on mobile devices is not an enhancement to the OS. And no, the other changes aren't enhancements either, they are restrictions.

sangha said:
The people who run large corps don't care if their employees have to click somewhere else to run something or learn a new file system. And as far as a "Windows standard" being set, nothing could be further from the truth. MS has no interest in setting any OS standard. They want to keep updating the OS so they can keep selling new products.
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Just saying that proves you haven't a clue. The reason business doesn't upgrade as quickly to new versions is almost entirely down to the costs of retraining. They certainly DO want a standard. Worker productivity is affected when the worker who could easily find what they were doing on every previous MS OS, now has to hunt the web to find where MS decided to hide everything.
 
Mycroft said:
I've seen that video before. The guy is an idiot. You really shouldn't use his buzzwords (the steering wheel thing). It makes you look like an idiot, as well.

In any event, the tile interface of Win8 works very well, though I'll grant that it works differently than the traditional desktop. An Android phone or tablet interface is different, too, but people don't seem to have a problem learning to use it. But, as I said, if you don't want to use the tile interface, you don't have to. That traditional desktop is still there and the improvements that MS made to Win7 (I'm talking about the actual OS...not the interface) makes Win8 a better OS.
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Steering wheel is a buzzword? Ok, that makes you sound like an idiot.

It is not a traditional desktop. It is a blank window. Where do you go to launch 90% of your programs? The Start button. Doesn't exist. It seems silly. Anyways, people smarter than I in this field say:

Useability expert Raluca Budiu of the Nielsen Norman Group said, "Windows 8 is optimized for content consumption rather than content production and multitasking. Whereas content consumption can easily be done on other media (tablets and phones), production and multitasking are still best suited for PCs. Windows 8 appears to ignore that."

Jakob Neilsen, "One of the worst aspects of Windows 8 for power users is that the product's very name has become a misnomer. "Windows" no longer supports multiple windows on the screen. Win8 does have an option to temporarily show a second area in a small part of the screen, but none of our test users were able to make this work. Also, the main UI restricts users to a single window, so the product ought to be renamed 'Microsoft Window.'"
 
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