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Russia and China Move Into Central America

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There is no doubt of that but it also seems to be slipping from the grasp of the American people. The talk of another American Revolution is now being discussed more openly, though I still feel the answer is more State Rights and far less power in DC. The free world cannot withstand the loss of the United States and Democracies throughout the free world should take this all very seriously.
 
And the Russians and the Chinese didn't?

So your solution is that we become just like them, and abandon American ideals? That's....... Antiamerican.
 
So your solution is that we become just like them, and abandon American ideals? That's....... Antiamerican.

Did I say that, or are you so desperate to make an argument that you have to put words into my mouth?
 
There is no doubt of that but it also seems to be slipping from the grasp of the American people. The talk of another American Revolution is now being discussed more openly, though I still feel the answer is more State Rights and far less power in DC. The free world cannot withstand the loss of the United States and Democracies throughout the free world should take this all very seriously.

Do you mean like the rest of the world simply could not withstand the end of the Roman Empire?
 
This is quite important and yet no one seems to be talking about it. I live mostly in Costa Rica but often visit Nicaragua and what's happening there is huge.



How would George Kennan respond to Nicaragua

Nicaragua has been trying to build this canal for a looooonnnnng time.

I don't know about any military planning for russia and china and whatnot with this but nicaragua sure as hell could use some financial stability that this canal could help provide. Panama and Costa Rica and even Belize seem fairly stable but Guatamala, Honduras and especially El Salvador... they seem in rather gang ruled dire straits.
 
There used to be a time when we were serious about not allowing communism into the western hemisphere. Men gave their lives in that protection. Today we turn our palms skyward, shrug our shoulders, and continue through life with puzzled looks on our faces, muttering "what can we do?" Pathetic.

I am not sure what to order from Rosetta Stone, Russian, or mandarin Chinese? :(

Implying Russia and China are communist. Hint: they're not.
 
How am I expected to address these "piles of documentation" on a debate board?

I know there are 'piles of documentation' critical of the United States and it was particularly commonplace throughout the Cold War. But for Americans to rely on that now for their understanding of US history just defies any sort of logic. It's like believing WWII anti-Japanese, anti-German propaganda. Leftists just never seem to get it.

You never seem to get it either grant. You continue to call me a leftist, yet I'm hugely critical of the Obama administration. Also, propaganda is different than facts, you need to learn the difference.

http://www.academia.edu/3120518/The...ne_on_Modern-Day_United_States_Policy_in_Iraq

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Monroe_Doctrine.aspx
 
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Nicaragua has been trying to build this canal for a looooonnnnng time.

I don't know about any military planning for russia and china and whatnot with this but nicaragua sure as hell could use some financial stability that this canal could help provide. Panama and Costa Rica and even Belize seem fairly stable but Guatamala, Honduras and especially El Salvador... they seem in rather gang ruled dire straits.

It may be a great thing for the Nicaraguan people, and they deserve it, but Latin American leaderships don't generally care much for 'trickle down' economics. The money will likely stay with Ortega, his family and friends, and the Chinese and Russian investors. I hope I'm wrong, of course.
 
Did I say that, or are you so desperate to make an argument that you have to put words into my mouth?

It is quite obvious what you meant. When I mentioned our support of death squads in Central America, you were quick to point out that Russia and China do it. What else could that have implied, other than it being alright that we did it? If you meant something else, then by all means tell us what it is.
 
It is quite obvious what you meant. When I mentioned our support of death squads in Central America, you were quick to point out that Russia and China do it. What else could that have implied, other than it being alright that we did it? If you meant something else, then by all means tell us what it is.

I was exposing the flaw in the US bad...Russia, China good notion.
 
I was exposing the flaw in the US bad...Russia, China good notion.

How is it that Russian and Chinese wrong doing excuses the US of wrong doing?
 
Collectively the Russians and the Chinese murdered 100,000,000 people.

Ok, you call it murder, the US calls it foreign policy. At any rate, how does that answer my question?
 
How is it that Russian and Chinese wrong doing excuses the US of wrong doing?

Largely because it lacks perspective and misses the big picture. How much time have you spent exposing China or Russia's 'wrongdoings', or what the Americans, or the people subject to the Communists, were up against?

When it's all one-sided, as is taught in many American schools, you're more likely to have a one-sided opinion, like American supporting "Death Squads". Is that really the America you know and understand, or is it more likely you were taught a bunch of leftist crap during your formative years??
 
It is quite obvious what you meant. When I mentioned our support of death squads in Central America, you were quick to point out that Russia and China do it. What else could that have implied, other than it being alright that we did it? If you meant something else, then by all means tell us what it is.

With respect, you know nothing about Central America and shouldn't pretend that you do.
 
With respect, you know nothing about Central America and shouldn't pretend that you do.

With respect, unless you personally know them very well, you have no idea what he/she does or does not know about Central America and you shouldn't pretend that you do.


Good day.
 
With respect, unless you personally know them very well, you have no idea what he/she does or does not know about Central America and you shouldn't pretend that you do.


Good day.

Exactly!! :)
 
Collectively the Russians and the Chinese murdered 100,000,000 people.

Does that give us the right to also murder people? I don't give a **** about Russia or China. I am an American, and I expect my government to act like an American government, not a Russian or Chinese one.
 
Largely because it lacks perspective and misses the big picture. How much time have you spent exposing China or Russia's 'wrongdoings', or what the Americans, or the people subject to the Communists, were up against?

When it's all one-sided, as is taught in many American schools, you're more likely to have a one-sided opinion, like American supporting "Death Squads". Is that really the America you know and understand, or is it more likely you were taught a bunch of leftist crap during your formative years??

Ahhh...the big picture.

The old 'the ends justify the means'...the Neocon credo.

Yes...Gitmo, torture, rendition, double tap drone strikes, propping up corrupt regimes, etc....the ends justify the means.

Neocon policies and justifications make me sick...it is the policy of bullying and cowardice.
 
Ahhh...the big picture.

The old 'the ends justify the means'...the Neocon credo.

Yes...Gitmo, torture, rendition, double tap drone strikes, propping up corrupt regimes, etc....the ends justify the means.

Neocon policies and justifications make me sick...it is the policy of bullying and cowardice.

Let us not forget that Irving Kristol, the Godfather of Neoconservatism, was once a card carrying member of the Communist party..... Which perfectly explains where Neocons got their "ends justify the means" attitude from. Karl Marx wrote it.
 
With respect, unless you personally know them very well, you have no idea what he/she does or does not know about Central America and you shouldn't pretend that you do.


Good day.
I've spent the past 21 years mostly in Central America and have many friends there. I have personal experience and, because I'm interested, have discussed this many times with the people who lived during that period, or whose families did.

If you believe your country is the bad guys in all of this I can't really change your mind.
 
Does that give us the right to also murder people? I don't give a **** about Russia or China. I am an American, and I expect my government to act like an American government, not a Russian or Chinese one.

Yep, said the same many of times.
 
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