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Russia and China Move Into Central America

Claiming you're part of a movement which killed over 100 million people sounds unlikely, but supporting the murder of a Nicaraguan woman who works for me suggests you really are a committed leftist. I doubt that you've ever actually been out of Jersey though.

:roll:

There's no point in arguing with you, you've already shown your colors and refusal to see reason.

And I see from your answer she her family was probably in bed with Somoza, so I stand by the claim that they should be killed as a Traitor to the State and People.

The Actual FSLN is far more forgiving than I, iirc, they even integrated sections of the contra into the national police.
 
It is huge, though it is doubtful anyone can do much about it now. It would have been wise, perhaps, for America to get involved in the canal across Nicaragua rather than the Chinese and the Russians but perhaps that was just Obama being 'flexible'. You'll see ever increasing anti American propaganda by leftists everywhere. That's always, from a historical perspective, interesting to watch.

Again, why is it HUGE. Propaganda is not huge.
 
A female employee of mine lost their little farm, chickens and all, and were able to escape to Costa Rica. They had nothing but lost what little they had. When the country became a democracy they were able to go back and with the money they saved were able to buy a small house (Nicaraguan style). What happened in Nicaragua was gut-wrenching and to defend it is to defend the likes of any mass murderer. The Nicaraguans are among the finest people I know.

My wife's family, many with US citizenship, held on to some of their property and regularly return to visit and spend time.
 
Again, why is it HUGE. Propaganda is not huge.

Certainly it is. Those people affected by propaganda will happily turn against their own country and act against its best interests. People should understand the difference between truth and propaganda but obviously don't. Buddha C and Monte obviously don't understand the difference, and there are millions of others. Do you really believe a novice like Barrack Obama would have been elected sans propaganda?

These are the sort of people who will define the future of the United States. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB3ZaVYWRr4
 
China has all the money and we're broke! Good planning!

Good planning by China certainly, and Russia, but under-educated Americans made it happen. They've no one to blame but themselves.
 
My wife's family, many with US citizenship, held on to some of their property and regularly return to visit and spend time.

Their method of 'land redistribution' was rather whimsical, allowing those established in the party to take whatever they wanted. One of my employees friend's family lost their pharmacy while another lost his job on a farm when the communists seized that. Over 400,000 managed to escape to Costa Rica and almost 200,000 to the US. At least in Nicaragua, unlike Cuba, they weren't trapped behind an ocean.
 
He's right, you're wrong.

Nicaragua is a Great Soveriegn Nation that has beaten the American virus out of its land three times.

Why would we want to bring it back?

We need a large Russian base, mostly to re-arm our military for a re-occupation of Guanacaste, a guarantee (as Honduras has by the US) against invasion from the Russians, and the construction of a deep-water port on the east coast capable of handling commercial cargo en masse and provide us with the funds to build a non-mud road from the West Coast to the East Coast of our great nation.

We need the Trans-Oceanic Canal for Economic Growth funded by China/HKND. If you can't get that, I suggest trying to yank your head out of your ass.

Oh, I follow these things all over the world and if you don't want to see the implications you won't. Of course there are aspects of billion dollar investments and a few people have certainly already cashed in heavily. But only time will tell how it plays out in detail. Some of the regions in Africa and Asia are already regretting the Chinese investments and if you have time you should talk with some Ukrainians, Georgians or Syrians about what their Russian military ports have meant to them.


pS: it is not very impressive to talk the way ghetto children think sound manly.
 
Oh, I follow these things all over the world and if you don't want to see the implications you won't. Of course there are aspects of billion dollar investments and a few people have certainly already cashed in heavily. But only time will tell how it plays out in detail. Some of the regions in Africa and Asia are already regretting the Chinese investments and if you have time you should talk with some Ukrainians, Georgians or Syrians about what their Russian military ports have meant to them.


pS: it is not very impressive to talk the way ghetto children think sound manly.

Blah blah blah:

Betrays inferior understanding of differences between Africa, Asia, Central America.

I suppose what works in Eastern Europe should be wholly applied to Antartica as well :roll:

Are Syria, Ukraine or the Georgians (and lol for the equivalent, if anything the Russian port has been a great benefit to Syria thanks to the aid flowing for the Al-Assad regime from it) just south of the greater Imperial beast, aka the USA?

I suggest you "follow" a bit more, bud.
 
Certainly it is. Those people affected by propaganda will happily turn against their own country and act against its best interests. People should understand the difference between truth and propaganda but obviously don't. Buddha C and Monte obviously don't understand the difference, and there are millions of others. Do you really believe a novice like Barrack Obama would have been elected sans propaganda?

These are the sort of people who will define the future of the United States. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB3ZaVYWRr4

So its not the propaganda thats huge, its 'people acting against their interests?' That still doesnt sound huge, but at least we're breaking down the sweeping statements. So, what actions would be huge?
 
Both China and Russia are taking as many bold leaps as possible before time runs out, and the United States gets a real president again.

Obama is either a spineless, clueless child, or this is his preferred outcome.
 
And American leftists continue to rubbish their own country while deliberately overlooking the character of those dictators who abused the people of Latin America. They did the same while the Communist were murdering millions of people throughout the world. Leftist history speaks for itself.

The point being, the US overthrew democratic governments in favor of dictators that were beneficial to the interests of US business, at the expense of Latin American citizens. This isn't a left right thing, its a right wrong thing, and the policy of denying communism a foothold had nothing to do with protecting the interests of Latin American citizens, but ensuring that it was US business that had exploitation rights.
 
One - the scheme is still in the development stage.

Two - this idea has been around for eons...America could have developed it if she had wanted to - but she didn't (for obvious reasons, she already has the Panama Canal).


This is no threat to America at all.

If the Russians were buying the Panama Canal - that would be different. But they aren't. They are just proposing to build another canal.

A second canal would be great for world trade. Another route, competition (to bring the prices down) and so on.


And what Nicaragua does within it's own borders is it's own business - not America's.


One additional good thing about is it will REALLY piss off the hardline Neocons...I love pissing off hardline neocons.
 
Both China and Russia are taking as many bold leaps as possible before time runs out, and the United States gets a real president again.

Obama is either a spineless, clueless child, or this is his preferred outcome.

Unfortunately, the problem is not confined to a single Administration. If it were, prospects for a rapid fix for American foreign policy would be strong. Instead, one has seen several "new era" assumptions in recent years:

1. U.S. unipolarity
2. Rules trump everything else
3. All peoples and societies yearn for democracy

All of those assumptions have created a degree of blindness. The first breeds complacency and a lack of perceived need to understand other countries' interests or consider the overall balance of power. The second ignores geopolitical considerations e.g., the notion that geopolitics can bring opportunities and challenges/advantages and disadvantages. The third oversimplifies the causes of internal unrest.

As a result, activities by the Russia and China, among other nations, aimed at furthering their critical interests and long-term ambitions, the impact of such policies on the the regional and global balance of power, and how such states have leveraged what they perceive to be an advantageous balance of power (e.g., Russia's rapid exploitation of Ukraine's political unrest to gain control of Crimea and annex it) have allowed them to fly under the proverbial U.S. policy radar. That the decline in central authority in parts of the Mideast have witnessed a reanimation of bitter sectarian rivalries that the U.S. mistakenly interpreted as democratic uprisings (hence the misplaced term "Arab Spring") have led to surprise and disappointment as democratic gains failed to materialize and terrorist groups e.g.., ISIS, exploited evolving power vacuums.
 
The Russo and Chinese investments in Latin and South America look like the results of a "Who do you trust," pragmatism by the various local gov'ts. a.k.a. "Banana Republics!" Death Squads! School of the Americas! Military Dictatorshipa! Allende! Pinochet! Noriega! Trujillo! Panama CIA Banks! Cocaine! Arbenz! USA Corporate Control of Central American governments! I think it is a case of "anything has to be better than USA Corporate dominance." The USA has been the truly evil presence in most of this area and any alternative option is better.
 
Both China and Russia are taking as many bold leaps as possible before time runs out, and the United States gets a real president again.

Obama is either a spineless, clueless child, or this is his preferred outcome.

Right!! You think that there's something that an American president could or should do to prevent a sovereign country from engaging in commerce with Russia and China??
 
I was hoping to start a chain on the Billy Joel song...c'est la gare.

Yeah. He doesn't sing about things way back. Sort of as if history kind of started sometime. But it is one of the better songs around.
 
Right!! You think that there's something that an American president could or should do to prevent a sovereign country from engaging in commerce with Russia and China??

Yes, I do. Have you not paid attention to Cuba the past several decades?

These two countries do not care or honor any form of global law. They laugh at those that do.

One day you'll be looking around wondering what the hell happened. Reality is such a bitch.
 
Yes, I do. Have you not paid attention to Cuba the past several decades?

These two countries do not care or honor any form of global law. They laugh at those that do.

One day you'll be looking around wondering what the hell happened. Reality is such a bitch.

The US honors "global law":lamo, care to answer the question though?
 
Did Nicaragua invite Russia and China? If so, then that is Nicaragua's business. And, after what we did, supporting the death squads there, do you blame Nicaragua? Ron Paul called it "blowback". Bad foreign policy eventually comes back to roost.

But Nicaragua cannot expect anything better from Russia and China neither.
 
But Nicaragua cannot expect anything better from Russia and China neither.

That might be true, but it was us that enabled the death squads. We can't judge nations by what they say, or what aims we might believe they have. Nations are judged by what they do, and it is here that we failed.
 
The Russo and Chinese investments in Latin and South America look like the results of a "Who do you trust," pragmatism by the various local gov'ts. a.k.a. "Banana Republics!" Death Squads! School of the Americas! Military Dictatorshipa! Allende! Pinochet! Noriega! Trujillo! Panama CIA Banks! Cocaine! Arbenz! USA Corporate Control of Central American governments! I think it is a case of "anything has to be better than USA Corporate dominance." The USA has been the truly evil presence in most of this area and any alternative option is better.

If this is truly the belief in south American then I think they will deeply be disappointed and will regret it bad eventually. I think it is sad that USA may have played so bad with them and that they are not switching to Russia and China. But if Nicaragua dislikes death squads and dictators then Russia and China are the inventors of such concepts and far more experienced than USA can ever be.
 
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