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Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

This is the worst case of transgender treason since Beatrice Arnold.
 
Actually I was thinking about this matter a little bit today. Because democracy cannot function properly unless people have accurate information, in the larger scheme of things, I think that Chelsea has done the people of the United States a service. I think she made some errors in how she went about doing that. As a result her punishment should be the time she has spent in incarceration, part of which was harsh solitary confinement. She should be let go now, having been punished for the errors, and allowed to live her life as she sees fit.
 
Actually I was thinking about this matter a little bit today. Because democracy cannot function properly unless people have accurate information, in the larger scheme of things, I think that Chelsea has done the people of the United States a service. I think she made some errors in how she went about doing that. As a result her punishment should be the time she has spent in incarceration, part of which was harsh solitary confinement.
She should be let go now, having been punished for the errors, and allowed to live her life as she sees fit.




I'm sure that s/he will be glad to hear that gender-reassignment surgery is now covered by Medicare.

Read about this here: Bustle
 
I'm sure that s/he will be glad to hear that gender-reassignment surgery is now covered by Medicare.

Read about this here: Bustle

What is this "s/he" stuff? :lamo

Don't you have to be over 65 for Medicare? Dang!!!!!!

They say a 74 year old sued to get the coverage. Dang!!!!!

That's hardcore.
 
Medical treatment is a basic human right, so there's nothing wrong with this in my eyes. And it's not all that expensive.

I think even though we are both liberals, we have vastly different definitions of "medical treatment" and "basic human rights". I'm all for sexual reassignment surgery being performed on inmates, as long as they themselves pay for it. That's a world away from something like life saving heart surgery or AIDS/Cancer treatments.
 
I think even though we are both liberals, we have vastly different definitions of "medical treatment" and "basic human rights". I'm all for sexual reassignment surgery being performed on inmates, as long as they themselves pay for it. That's a world away from something like life saving heart surgery or AIDS/Cancer treatments.

That's about where I CURRENTLY stand. But I really don't know what to think about hormones. What do you think about that?

That stuff is very complicated.
 
That's about where I CURRENTLY stand. But I really don't know what to think about hormones. What do you think about that?

That stuff is very complicated.

I think if there is a psychiatric evaluation and it is determined that the hormones would benefit the inmate's overall behavior, I'd still think the inmate should pay for it. Transgenderism isn't a condition that is life threatening if the inmate is not afforded treatment. I don't believe tax payers should be forced to pay for it. Let the prisons who offer such surgeries come up with payment plans for the inmates. Inmates could be told that in order to get the surgery, they must work certain jobs or agree to rehabilitation programs before the treatment.
 
I think if there is a psychiatric evaluation and it is determined that the hormones would benefit the inmate's overall behavior, I'd still think the inmate should pay for it. Transgenderism isn't a condition that is life threatening if the inmate is not afforded treatment. I don't believe tax payers should be forced to pay for it. Let the prisons who offer such surgeries come up with payment plans for the inmates. Inmates could be told that in order to get the surgery, they must work certain jobs or agree to rehabilitation programs before the treatment.

That sounds reasonable, and I'm surely convinced about the surgery. But let's suppose that hormones are actually essential for keeping the person out of a state of severe depression. Why would that be any different that any other drug that's used to treat depression. If anti-depressants are offered free of charge, why not hormones? Assuming of course, that they were actually essential for keeping the person from slipping into a depressed state.

Come to think of it, what do they do with transgendered females in the prison system? Do they sent them to a female prison, or do they keep them segregated from the male population in prisons?
 
That sounds reasonable, and I'm surely convinced about the surgery. But let's suppose that hormones are actually essential for keeping the person out of a state of severe depression. Why would that be any different that any other drug that's used to treat depression. If anti-depressants are offered free of charge, why not hormones? Assuming of course, that they were actually essential for keeping the person from slipping into a depressed state.

Come to think of it, what do they do with transgendered females in the prison system? Do they sent them to a female prison, or do they keep them segregated from the male population in prisons?

If the problem is the inmate becoming depressed from not getting his way, fine, give him antidepressants. No need to add another list of things provided at tax payer expense.
 
If the problem is the inmate becoming depressed from not getting his way, fine, give him antidepressants. No need to add another list of things provided at tax payer expense.

I'm thinking this out here so bear with me. What if the hormones were more effective and cheaper?
 
I'm thinking this out here so bear with me. What if the hormones were more effective and cheaper?

Q. If I decide to start on a bioidentical hormone therapy program, how much will it cost? - Q. If I decide to start on a bioidentical hormone therapy program, how much will it cost?

Potential patients often ask, “How much does bioidentical hormone therapy cost?” The simple answer is approximately $200 per month or $2400 per year.

Cost of antidepressants? As low as $28 a month. You're trying to make an argument that simply isn't there. If the problem is depression, give them antidepressants. They're cheaper and you'd have a hard time proving they're not effective. :shrug:
 
Q. If I decide to start on a bioidentical hormone therapy program, how much will it cost? - Q. If I decide to start on a bioidentical hormone therapy program, how much will it cost?

Cost of antidepressants? As low as $28 a month. You're trying to make an argument that simply isn't there. If the problem is depression, give them antidepressants. They're cheaper and you'd have a hard time proving they're not effective. :shrug:

I said I was trying to think it out. That's the way I do things. I try to look at it as many ways as possible. It depends on the antidepressant. According to this, some run more than $1000 a month. My understanding is that different ones are effective on different people. Correct my if I'm wrong. So let's suppose for the sake of argument that the hormones were cheaper. Would your position still be the same?

Retail prices for commonly prescribed antidepressants range from about $21 a month, and sometimes even less, to more than $1,000 a month.

Antidepressants - Consumer Reports Health
 
I said I was trying to think it out. That's the way I do things. I try to look at it as many ways as possible. It depends on the antidepressant. According to this, some run more than $1000 a month. My understanding is that different ones are effective on different people. Correct my if I'm wrong. So let's suppose for the sake of argument that the hormones were cheaper. Would your position still be the same?

No. Absolutely not. A need for a sex change is not a life threatening condition nor is it necessary for the survival of the inmate. :shrug:
 
No. Absolutely not. A need for a sex change is not a life threatening condition nor is it necessary for the survival of the inmate. :shrug:

So your objection is on the grounds that the nature of the psychological condition does not warrant state supported treatment.
 
So your objection is on the grounds that the nature of the psychological condition does not warrant state supported treatment.

It's been pretty obvious from my first post on this thread.
 
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It's been pretty obvious from my first post on this post.

Ok. I just wanted look at it from as many different angles as I could think of. Thanks.
 
Q. If I decide to start on a bioidentical hormone therapy program, how much will it cost? - Q. If I decide to start on a bioidentical hormone therapy program, how much will it cost?



Cost of antidepressants? As low as $28 a month. You're trying to make an argument that simply isn't there. If the problem is depression, give them antidepressants. They're cheaper and you'd have a hard time proving they're not effective. :shrug:

My hormones are $60 a month. Thats waaaaaay less then $200.
 
So everyone has a basic human right to a lifetime of hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgery?

Not on the public dime when they're convicts or, much worse, traitors.
 
What is the most they can cost?

Not sure. I cant imagine much more then I spend. I think my friends dosage of testosterone is like $120 every two months but im not 100% sure. However if Hatuey still thinks thats too much the lower dose I was on was like $35 a month.
 
Not sure. I cant imagine much more then I spend. I think my friends dosage of testosterone is like $120 every two months but im not 100% sure. However if Hatuey still thinks thats too much the lower dose I was on was like $35 a month.

Testosterone is for a female to male transition?
 
Yup. Im not sure if its more because its testosterone or because his dosage is different or what however.

To your knowledge, has anyone ever really studied the long term health effects that hormones have on the body?
 
To your knowledge, has anyone ever really studied the long term health effects that hormones have on the body?

Yes they have. There are some health risks such as an increased risk of blood clots and cancer.
 
Yes they have. There are some health risks such as an increased risk of blood clots and cancer.

Then, that's a reason not to provide them, at least not with government funds.
 
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