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Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

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Maybe you missed the part where I commented on the "other comments", which incuded many other comments, not just one poster's.

LOL...say what?
 
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LOL...say what?

My post:

I agree with you on the context of the posts, but come on...what you just said is really silly.
 
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He generally was percieved to have a 5th round grade, and went in the mid 7th...so yeah, decent enough value. It was entirely reasonable though for his "Co-DPOY" to go in the top 20 as opposed to Sam going in the 7th.

Mosley had two consistent seasons as a MLB with over 100 tackles. His stats were also pretty consistent game in, game out. He was also a freshman all american, two time concensus all american, 2 time SEC first team, a Butkus award winner (best LB in NCAA), and a multi-time national champion. Mosley's measurables were pretty good for a MLB, both in terms of physical stature (height and weight prototypical for the position) and combine (like his 4.4 on his 40 time)

Sam's only year over 5 sacks as a pash rusher was his senior year. Additionally, 9 of his 11.5 sacks came in a 4 game stretch. In 8 games he didn't register a single sack. This was the only year he was any kind of first team/all american type player. His measurables were relatively poor, coming in a bit under sized for DE but not quick enough for rush OLB.

I'm not implying that you've suggested otherwise, but I didn't want some people to read that and take away the notion that somehow it was wrong that Sam went in the 7th and the SEC Co-DPOY went in the top 20. Sam in the 7th was decent value (one of MULTIPLE potential value picks, as is the case in every draft), but also likely relatively where he belonged if he was going to be drafted.

Mosley is almost certainly a better player (though time will tell). All I'm saying is that a DPOY from a big-time conference in the 7th - that's a good pick if you can get it. At least to see if he really can play.

His results on the field will be what eventually puts him on the Rams roster, or keeps him in the NFL. Which is how it should be.
 
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Last I watched the NFL, there wasn't a lot of sex on the field. Homo or hetero. I'd argue also that you really shouldn't have hetero sex in front of children either. Do you make it a habit of having your children watch you bang your wife?

Until this year, there wasn't a lot of sex during the draft either.
 
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Personally i am getting sick of hearing about it.
people are acting like this is a huge deal or something and it isn't.

no mid-level football player would get this much hype going mid 7th round in the draft. The only reason this is getting any kind of attention is because he is gay that is it.
if he wasn't gay no one would care.
 
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My post:

I agree with you on the context of the posts, but come on...what you just said is really silly.

TB, you liked the post that I responded to...how is that being critical of it?
 
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And in terms of gay players, one of the greatest Tight Ends

OK, that's funny right there.
 
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Personally i am getting sick of hearing about it.
people are acting like this is a huge deal or something and it isn't.

no mid-level football player would get this much hype going mid 7th round in the draft. The only reason this is getting any kind of attention is because he is gay that is it.
if he wasn't gay no one would care.

you understand that is the point right...that he broke down a barrier right? triumph over bigotry right? no...........?????????????????????? pity
 
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you understand that is the point right...that he broke down a barrier right? triumph over bigotry right? no...........?????????????????????? pity

no i see people getting all excited over a mid level 7th rounder that hasn't made the team yet, but i can hear those same people crying bigots and everything else if he gets cut.
there was not barrier broken that is a buch of BS.

there were gay athletes before him and will be after him.

again if this was a normal guy no one would give a rats rear end. guess what i don't care either and neither does the majority of football fans. why? he was a mid 7th round draft pick. most people stop watching after the first 36 picks. some watch the 2nd round but after that no no one cares.
 
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some watch the 2nd round but after that no no one cares.

Speak for yourself. As a Seahawk's fan, I can assure you we watch all the later rounds. That's where the real work is done.
 
1.)No lies, All true. I did say threads that "I have been on" concerning gay issues. It's true, you've been on all of them.
2.)Your idea of sports news and mine couldn't be more different.
3.) Question: would you change the channel while watching a football game if you knew figure skating was on the other channel? My guess is yes.

1.) nope all lies this is why you cant back it up with any proof or links LOL
2.) this is another made up fantasy. I havent given you MY IDEA of sports news, not one time. Please stop making stuff up it only further exposes the failure of your claims.
3.) another failed deflection desperately trying to save face while your posts continue to failed and get destroyed lol

lets review reality again
if the youngest player was drafted it would be news and relevant
if the oldest player was drafted it would be news and relevant
if the first woman was drafted it would be news and relevant
if the first person with a physical impairment was drafted it would be news and relevant
just like now when the first openly gay person was drafted is news and relevant

Mike is news :shrug:

again sorry realities and facts bother you :)
 
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Personally i am getting sick of hearing about it.
people are acting like this is a huge deal or something and it isn't.

no mid-level football player would get this much hype going mid 7th round in the draft. The only reason this is getting any kind of attention is because he is gay that is it.
if he wasn't gay no one would care.

I don't think gay has that much to do with it, kissing his boyfriend on TV after being drafted did. It's the shock value and timing of the "coming out" that brought all this attention.

Similar to Conchita Wurst wining the Eurovision Singing contest. It wasn't the fact that he's a transexual but the stark contrast of wearing a dark beard on a pale complexion, while being very feminine appearing is a shock.

These weren't just people breaking barriers for marginalized groups, they were bringing attention to the display of crossing the lines of conventional social standards. Right or wrong they have a right to express themselves, if someone doesn't like it, they can not look at it. I hold no ill will towards them, though the images do freak me out a bit. I saw the same look on many peoples faces that they weren't mad, as much as "shocked".
 
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no i see people getting all excited over a mid level 7th rounder that hasn't made the team yet, but i can hear those same people crying bigots and everything else if he gets cut.
there was not barrier broken that is a buch of BS.

Actually most people are pretty clear about understanding he may not make the team and we saw that clearly with the NBA player who wasn't on a team most of the season after he came out. As for being a big deal, if you don't think it is fine, most real sports fans and people who like freedom from oppression do.

there were gay athletes before him and will be after him.

Yes and the ones before had to stay in the closet....we hope this will make that concept obsolete. Thus the big deal.

again if this was a normal guy no one would give a rats rear end.

He is normal and gay and we hope for a day when this isn't a big deal.

guess what i don't care either and neither does the majority of football fans.

but you do....you don't like that him being gay is important to people.

why? he was a mid 7th round draft pick.

Yes

most people stop watching after the first 36 picks.

and this is relevant why?


some watch the 2nd round but after that no no one cares.

You should have watched the 2-7th rounds there were a lot of people who cared. We will call them NORMAL football fans.
 
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"The Kiss" seen all over the world did not do his cause any good. I don't care what a homosexual does but I cannot stomach two guy kissing and the media has shown it 10,000,000 times already. He will most likely be cut and probably for the good because in the shower there will be tension. I would not shower with a gay man.
 
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So because two men in an emotional moment kissed in their own home over an important life changing experience then people want to molest your kids????

I can't understand your logic can you show me how those two things are related?

I consider the act itself to be a psychological attack upon my child, just as the government indoctrination center saying it not only has the right, but the duty to teach my 10 year old how to put a condom on a banana!!!

It's called premature sexualization - it is inappropriate and psychologicall damaging to children. Kids should not be subjected to such things - and if you feel differently fine, go ahead and screw your kid up all you want, but you have no right to expose my child to what I would consider to be your perversion.

Just as I would have no right to proselytize your child with religion.

The fact that most Amerikans no longer have an understanding of what is appropriate or inappropriate is a clear indicator of where we are headed as a society. It is, in fact, a slippery slope; and from the standpoint of the radical left, it has to do with breaking down the family - as Marx and other leftists have written that it is essential to destroy the family, lest it be in competition with the state.

Broken families, dysfunctional families, tend to produce dysfunctional adults, which leads to a dysfunctional society in which the major player in everyone life must eventually become the government.

It's not that complicated, and it is rooted in logic from the standpoint of the radical left - destroy the family, and grow the all-powerful state to take its place.
 
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Until this year, there wasn't a lot of sex during the draft either.

Are you sure you watched the NFL draft? I didn't watch because I don't have cable, but I'm pretty sure a big orgy would have gotten a little coverage.
 
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"The Kiss" seen all over the world did not do his cause any good. I don't care what a homosexual does but I cannot stomach two guy kissing and the media has shown it 10,000,000 times already. He will most likely be cut and probably for the good because in the shower there will be tension. I would not shower with a gay man.

Why would that bother you more than a player kissing his girlfriend? Which we've seen, BTW...
 
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I consider the act itself to be a psychological attack upon my child, just as the government indoctrination center saying it not only has the right, but the duty to teach my 10 year old how to put a condom on a banana!!!

It's called premature sexualization - it is inappropriate and psychologicall damaging to children. Kids should not be subjected to such things - and if you feel differently fine, go ahead and screw your kid up all you want, but you have no right to expose my child to what I would consider to be your perversion.

Just as I would have no right to proselytize your child with religion.

The fact that most Amerikans no longer have an understanding of what is appropriate or inappropriate is a clear indicator of where we are headed as a society. It is, in fact, a slippery slope; and from the standpoint of the radical left, it has to do with breaking down the family - as Marx and other leftists have written that it is essential to destroy the family, lest it be in competition with the state.

Broken families, dysfunctional families, tend to produce dysfunctional adults, which leads to a dysfunctional society in which the major player in everyone life must eventually become the government.

It's not that complicated, and it is rooted in logic from the standpoint of the radical left - destroy the family, and grow the all-powerful state to take its place.


Yes, a gay guy playing pro football is the first step in the Revolution. Congratulations on figuring it out. :roll:
 
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I don't think gay has that much to do with it, kissing his boyfriend on TV after being drafted did. It's the shock value and timing of the "coming out" that brought all this attention.

Similar to Conchita Wurst wining the Eurovision Singing contest. It wasn't the fact that he's a transexual but the stark contrast of wearing a dark beard on a pale complexion, while being very feminine appearing is a shock.

These weren't just people breaking barriers for marginalized groups, they were bringing attention to the display of crossing the lines of conventional social standards. Right or wrong they have a right to express themselves, if someone doesn't like it, they can not look at it. I hold no ill will towards them, though the images do freak me out a bit. I saw the same look on many peoples faces that they weren't mad, as much as "shocked".

Actually Conchita's not a transsexual. It's a show, but the guy playing her doesn't tend to do that in his off-stage life (AFAIK).

The beard is a bit shocking though...
 
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Why would that bother you more than a player kissing his girlfriend? Which we've seen, BTW...

Why should it not bother him? I have nothing against it in private, but I don't think an obese man being done by a fat woman with a strap-on a very appealing sight either.
 
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He was, as was pointed out, co-Defensive Player of the year in the SEC. You don't get that if you're not kind of good. Considering that his other "co-DPOY" was a top-20 pick...I'd say that getting that in the 7th round is good value if he can perform. And if he can't, it's not like you wasted a lot on him.

Because the Pro game is VERY different from the college game. Sam proved in the NFL draft combine to be weak, slow, not agile, and couldn't jump (failing to place in the top 15 in any event) which is a very bad combo for an NFL DE. You can get away with it in college because the vast majority of the people you play against in college aren't NFL caliber talent either.
 
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Why should it not bother him? I have nothing against it in private, but I don't think an obese man being done by a fat woman with a strap-on a very appealing sight either.

Another person who was apparently watching a completely different draft than the rest of us. Which round had the obese guy being done by a fat woman with a strap-on?

I'm really going to have to pick up my watching of the draft.
 
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Actually most people are pretty clear about understanding he may not make the team and we saw that clearly with the NBA player who wasn't on a team most of the season after he came out. As for being a big deal, if you don't think it is fine, most real sports fans and people who like freedom from oppression do.

freedom of oppression you guys are great.:lamo

if he doesn't make the team i figure it will have little to do with him being gay and him just not having the skills to play the position up to expectations.

Yes and the ones before had to stay in the closet....we hope this will make that concept obsolete. Thus the big deal.
has nothing to do with what i said but ol well.

He is normal and gay and we hope for a day when this isn't a big deal.
the only people making a big deal about it is people like you. To everyone else he is a mid-level 7th rounder no that big of a deal.

but you do....you don't like that him being gay is important to people.
because it isn't that big of a deal. being gay doesn't give you some special brand that you get a cookie or anything or make you special above someone else.
more so all the media attention he is getting for going in the 7th round.


You should have watched the 2-7th rounds there were a lot of people who cared. We will call them NORMAL football fans.

seeing how ratings decline after the first night they would tend to disagree with you. i am sure there are some really dedicated fans that watch after the 2 maybe 3 round but after that viewership really drops off.
 
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Actually Conchita's not a transsexual. It's a show, but the guy playing her doesn't tend to do that in his off-stage life (AFAIK).

The beard is a bit shocking though...

When I see a biological male dressed and looking as female as Conchita, I think trans. Whatever the designation, he even admits to doing it for the shock value and trying to bring acceptance for dual gender status. To be honest, I'm still confused by females, so adding other gender types doesn't help me.
 
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Because the Pro game is VERY different from the college game. Sam proved in the NFL draft combine to be weak and slow which is a very bad combo for an NFL linebacker. You can get away with it in college because the vast majority of the people you play against in college aren't NFL caliber talent either.

Thus, the 7th round. I'm not saying he necessarily deserved to go higher. I'm saying that a guy who was co-DPOY in the SEC probably deserves a late round flyer.
 
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