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Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

votemout said:
But I am done with the National Felons League. and not because of micheal sam
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LOL @ national felons league

Why don't you like the NFL?
 
Your Star said:
Common sense and logic. Being gay harms no one, in fact, the belief that homosexuality is a sin actually causes harm in and of itself. So, if anything is immoral here, it is the belief that homosexuality is wrong, not being gay.
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But that's your sense and logic. As a biologist I could apply the logic that homosexual sex is detrimental to the population advancing itself and is a form of sexual dysfunction at the psychological/social level. Would I be right, would you be wrong? You claim that believing that homosexuality is a sin causes harm, how so? How does believing something harm someone? Your ideals are based on your own experiences and your own relative train of thought. That's fine, but someone else's relative ideas are equal to yours in the absence of a higher authority. Someone could argue that being gay (gay males) have higher rates of HIV transmission and that harms the population by having a population have risky sexual activity that spreads infection of an expensive and deadly illness. The reason why relative morals fail is that they can conflict and both beliefs cannot be both right and wrong.

You as an individual have no authority to pronounce something as sin or say something else is immoral, your ideas and logic/common sense that being gay harms no one and that simply believing that homosexuality is wrong is immoral is your own and really holds no weight compared to what any other random person thinks. The issue is that there is a higher authority that pronounces it wrong. Homosexual sex isn't a sin because digsbe says so, it's a sin because God does and digsbe accepts that fact instead of trying to deny it or rationalize around it. To claim I'm wrong would mean to prove that God isn't real or that the Biblical God is false or prove theologically that the Bible doesn't say homosexuality is sin and the belief we take from that is made in error.
 
Your Star said:
It's not legitimate evidence. At the end of the day, you are just taking other people's word for what you believe to be the word of God. You, nor anyone else, has any actual evidence.
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Although there is some merit to what you say, you don't know that no one has any actual evidence. You can say no one that you know of, or no one that you believe has any actually evidence. That's about it.
 
digsbe said:
But that's your sense and logic. As a biologist I could apply the logic that homosexual sex is detrimental to the population advancing itself and is a form of sexual dysfunction at the psychological/social level. .
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You could do. But people might call you bat **** crazy for doing so. Just saying.
 
MildSteel said:
Although there is some merit to what you say, you don't know that no one has any actual evidence. You can say no one that you know of, or no one that you believe has any actually evidence. That's about it.
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That's total freaking nonsense. You have no evidence because there is no real evidence.
 
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MildSteel said:
LOL @ national felons league

Why don't you like the NFL?
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Oh please don't get him started.
 
Top Cat said:
That's total freaking nonsense. You have no evidence because there is no real evidence.
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Where is your evidence that there is no evidence?
 
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Kobie said:
Oh please don't get him started.
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Sorry! I take it back! Yikes!

It sounds like something that I won't like.
 
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MildSteel said:
Sorry! I take it back! Yikes!

It sounds like something that I won't like.
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Only if you like facts.
 
MildSteel said:
Where is your evidence that there is no evidence?
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I'm not the one trying to prove a book of fairy tales is the real deal. I'm not that foolish.

There is no proof. The reason is simple. It doesn't exist. There isn't one single fact that proves the bible is from God. Not one.
 
Top Cat said:
I'm not the one trying to prove a book of fairy tales is the real deal. I'm not that foolish.

There is no proof. The reason is simple. It doesn't exist. There isn't one single fact that proves the bible is from God. Not one.
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Well maybe I'm catching the end of this. To be honest with you, I don't know that everything in the Bible is accurate, although I think some of it, in particular some of the words that were attributed to Jesus are indeed true. I believe that it's certain at the very least he said something like that. Some of what is in the Bible I don't understand at all. But I might be arguing something different, because what I'm saying is that you can't make the absolute statement that there is no evidence of the existence of God.

Please forgive me if you or the other person meant something else.
 
digsbe said:
But that's your sense and logic. As a biologist I could apply the logic that homosexual sex is detrimental to the population advancing itself and is a form of sexual dysfunction at the psychological/social level. Would I be right, would you be wrong? You claim that believing that homosexuality is a sin causes harm, how so? How does believing something harm someone? Your ideals are based on your own experiences and your own relative train of thought. That's fine, but someone else's relative ideas are equal to yours in the absence of a higher authority. Someone could argue that being gay (gay males) have higher rates of HIV transmission and that harms the population by having a population have risky sexual activity that spreads infection of an expensive and deadly illness. The reason why relative morals fail is that they can conflict and both beliefs cannot be both right and wrong.

You as an individual have no authority to pronounce something as sin or say something else is immoral, your ideas and logic/common sense that being gay harms no one and that simply believing that homosexuality is wrong is immoral is your own and really holds no weight compared to what any other random person thinks. The issue is that there is a higher authority that pronounces it wrong. Homosexual sex isn't a sin because digsbe says so, it's a sin because God does and digsbe accepts that fact instead of trying to deny it or rationalize around it. To claim I'm wrong would mean to prove that God isn't real or that the Biblical God is false or prove theologically that the Bible doesn't say homosexuality is sin and the belief we take from that is made in error.
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First off, all of your other arguments are wrong and nonsense. If humans today have a population problem, it would be that we have too many people. And hetero people have much more anal sex than gay men. That's just how the numbers play out. The safest sex on the planet is between two monogamous women.

But the core of your post is the part in bold. I'll say what I said to Logicman, you have no proof that the Bible is the word of God. And no, the Bible saying that it is the word of God is not proof that it is, in fact, the word of God. When it comes down to it you are taking another person's word on what they say is the word of God. Whether it be your parents, your pastor, or the people, yes people, who wrote the book thousands of years ago. God did not come down and speak to you, you are basing your beliefs on what other people have said. That is the simple truth of the matter.
 
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MildSteel said:
But I might be arguing something different, because what I'm saying is that you can't make the absolute statement that there is no evidence of the existence of God.
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I most certainly can and do. Show me evidence.
 
Sorry, I think I made a wrong turn. I was looking for a thread about Michael Sam.
 
Your Star said:
(To digsbe) I'll say what I said to Logicman, you have no proof that the Bible is the word of God. .. That is the simple truth of the matter.
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You're dead wrong. We have the fulfilled Messianic prophecies of Jesus at a rate way, way higher than chance. That's the signature of God.
 
Logicman said:
You're dead wrong. We have the fulfilled Messianic prophecies of Jesus at a rate way, way higher than chance. That's the signature of God.
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No, that's what you believe, but in no way is any of that proven..
 
Logicman said:
You're dead wrong. We have the fulfilled Messianic prophecies of Jesus at a rate way, way higher than chance. That's the signature of God.
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Please tell us what some of these prophecies are.
 
Well now, the good news for Sam is that he is guaranteed a roster spot with the Rams.........if they cut him they will be pilloried by the 'progressives'........its obvious that the NFL/ESPN coalition wanted to make this happen.....and happen it will. Repeatedly showing a 7th round pick kissing his 'boyfriend' is all the evidence you need here......he was a few picks away from being "Mr. Irrelevant"........but now we will be subjected to Michael Sam stories until we all puke.
 
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MildSteel said:
LOL @ national felons league

Why don't you like the NFL?
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Because its the felons league
 
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votemout said:
comes out say he is gay and he gets the league minimum, still more then most make in 5 years.

But I am done with the National Felons League. and not because of micheal sam
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I think the NFL should raise the standards or at least require they actually graduated from college with a 3. minimum GPA and earned a real BA or BS not in ethnic studies or home economics and have a clean criminal record and no gang affiliations or gang tats.

Most NFL players during the Vince Lombardi era and before would have met those minimum standards.
 
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votemout said:
Because its the felons league
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I assume you didn't bother to look at the link earlier that shows NFL arrest rates are below the national average for their age group in most major crimes.

Perception is not reality.
 
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Kobie said:
I assume you didn't bother to look at the link earlier that shows NFL arrest rates are below the national average for their age group in most major crimes.

Perception is not reality.
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I am not going to post all the felon League's that ARE in prison at this time.
I will also not post all the upcoming felon Heisman trophy winners either.

The list grows and grows, I mean WTF your making the best wages, why cant you keep your nose clean?

kobie i am done so who cares? right?
 
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