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FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

Dittohead not! said:
Is it the left who thinks that guys like Bundy should have to pay for grazing rights?

If that's so, then it must be the conservatives who think the government should give away use of the land for free.
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It's the ****ing authoritarians.... Left or right doesn't matter.

If I wasn't as evil as they were I would advocate them being lit on fire...
 
j-mac said:
I to this date have seen NOTHING proving the false claim of checkpoints being instituted....This is more propaganda.
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Okay, so I looked it up. To give you your due, there does not seem to be checkpoints...BUT there seems to be an idea among militia that they can pull over people "if they have reasonable cause". That, and the bomb threats, y'know....

According to a report from KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, the militiamen have also threatened people who live in the nearby town of Mesquite, and businesses there claim they have lost over $100,000 because of their presence.

The station reported that a local hotel was forced to evacuate all of its clients one evening following a bomb threat. The hotel also received at least nine threatening calls after it permitted Bureau of Land Management rangers to stay there. The callers demanded the BLM rangers be kicked out or the hotel “would not be standing in the morning.”

One hotel worker told the news crew he had been told by an anonymous militia member that he would be “dragged out in the parking lot and shot”.

News crews were unable to find any armed checkpoints when they went out searching for them. A militia group spokesman named Ryan Payne denied to KVVU-TV that they were conducting such checks.

“We are not to set up checkpoints, we are not to pull over civilians, without, you know, reasonable cause,” Payne said. Of course, militiamen have no legal right to pull anyone over – with or without reasonable cause.

I don't know about you, but I've seen enough crazies in this life to know these people aren't playing with a full deck of cards, they're a few beers short of a six-pack, and seriously need windows installed in their navels so they can see where they're going.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Is it the left who thinks that guys like Bundy should have to pay for grazing rights?

If that's so, then it must be the conservatives who think the government should give away use of the land for free.
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Just like they want the schools to educate the kids better but don't want to pay the taxes for it....
 
Thrilla said:
I love the fact that these militia guys are referred to as thugs, terrorists, etc... even though they have not done even .0000000001% of any violence that the violent OWS protesters did... the OWS protesters who were and still are championed by the left.

the smell of political fauxrage is overwhelming...
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That and the fact that these guys are out in the middle of nowhere and not clogging up city streets.

All the government has to do is ignore all of this, let the situation calm down, and then act in a year or so with paperwork. The government overreaction to this in order to show who's boss is creating a truly dangerous situation. Leftists seem to like war only if its directed against their own people.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Just like they want the schools to educate the kids better but don't want to pay the taxes for it....
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Did they teach you that in order to have a better education you need to spend still more money per student? If money was the answer Americans would be the best educated people in the world.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Is it the left who thinks that guys like Bundy should have to pay for grazing rights?

If that's so, then it must be the conservatives who think the government should give away use of the land for free.
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Are those the only available options? Either allow him free use of the land or respond with the militia and SWAT teams?

If it came to one or the other, though there are obviously other solutions, I'd say let the cattle graze.
 
mike2810 said:
I find it pathetic for a rancher to leach off of all Americans for 20+ years by failing to pay grazing fees.

So what other regulations and laws can someone ignore?
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It's worse that the Federal Government is using the land as bribes to enrich politicians, but you don't seem worried about that.
 
tres borrachos said:
There's only been a handful of pictures of one guy - the same guy, from different angles - and in none of them can you see a federal officer on the receiving end of the gun. None.
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In act I'd be suspicious of any photos or sound bites, given the government's credibility record.
 
MrVicchio said:
It's worse that the Federal Government is using the land as bribes to enrich politicians, but you don't seem worried about that.
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please explain the mechanism on how this occurs.
 
Grant said:
Are those the only available options? Either allow him free use of the land or respond with the militia and SWAT teams?

If it came to one or the other, though there are obviously other solutions, I'd say let the cattle graze.
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Yes, I believe other solutions were tried.

What sort of a precedent would it set to simply ignore the situation and allow the cattle to continue to graze?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, I believe other solutions were tried.

What sort of a precedent would it set to simply ignore the situation and allow the cattle to continue to graze?
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I don't believe everyone would stop paying for their grazing rights if the government just ignored Bundy. Most people properly pay their taxes, don't want the aggravation, and choose to obey the law. What the government should do is put a lien on his place and when he dies, or it is sold, those back taxes must be paid off first. They should have other things to do to keep them busy.
 
Mr.Nick said:
In what universe is defending yourself from tyranny a criminal activity?

The real criminals reside in our government. And I find it absolutely disgusting that some actually believe the government can do whatever the hell they want and anyone who doesn't submit to their nefarious actions is somehow the "criminal."

This whole "do as your told" nonsense needs to stop, however sadly the majority of the US population has been conditioned to submit to alleged authority and will forgo their constitutional rights and civil liberties to make it easier for the government to pound them in the ass.

IMO, this country as turned into a nation of puppets that find it patriotic to do as they're told by their masters - the government(s).
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Cool. I think I am going to watch your house, and as soon as you leave, steal everything in it. After all, if the police don't bust me for it, it's not tyranny. If the police does bust me, however, I think I have a valid case to make at FOX News that the government was suppressing my freedom to steal. TYRANNY, I say. :mrgreen:
 
Thrilla said:
yes..... it's called peaceably assembly... you might have heard of it before.
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Peaceably assembly. Shoving guns in peoples faces to protect a non-existent right? Harassment, law breaking followed by nonsense.
 
j-mac said:
You seem to applaud the government bullying private citizens....
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I didn't know making people pay fees for usage was bullying. May as well start shoving guns in the faces of DMV employees.
 
MrVicchio said:
It's worse that the Federal Government is using the land as bribes to enrich politicians, but you don't seem worried about that.
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Without specifics it is impossible to respond.
What politician, what land as bribes?

The FBI is doing its job. There looking into the allegation that some of the Bundy supporters pointed weapons at law enforement officials. If they didn't, they will be cleared. If they did and it can be proven, they should be charged.
 
j-mac said:
From the article that you refuse to read...

"Bundy supporters have been adamant in saying no weapons were aimed at the feds or police, that the BLM rangers were the ones pointing guns."

So, at worst we have a 'he said, she said' situation.
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But, we have pictures of them doing it.

And, yes, I read the damned article, drop it. You aren't winning points by making that assumption.
 
Mr.Nick said:
You're either an authoritarian or you're not....

You figure that out.
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I have figured it out, but you continue this fruitless labeling that is bringing us to the verge of an argument (not debate mind you, argument). And no one is questioning you for anything. Moot wasn't even referring to you and you're at this point just trying so hard to speak with people who wish to not associate with you, a man who has this irrational hatred for all progressives.

You may as well be gone with your bigotry. You're plain-viewed bigotry that is so large it may as well engulf this entire thread.
 
mike2810 said:
Without specifics it is impossible to respond.
What politician, what land as bribes?

The FBI is doing its job. There looking into the allegation that some of the Bundy supporters pointed weapons at law enforement officials. If they didn't, they will be cleared. If they did and it can be proven, they should be charged.
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Charged they should be, those non-chivalric bastards who are so below that of man that they must hide behind and ENDANGER their opposite gender (not that women are weak, but men are generally stronger, well, GENERALLY stronger... Maybe not here... in this case...).

Pray to something that these fools don't aim at the FBI again, let alone shoot, because in that case they all may as well be erased from this Earth so as to cleanse it of some of its trash.
 
tres borrachos said:
There's only been a handful of pictures of one guy - the same guy, from different angles - and in none of them can you see a federal officer on the receiving end of the gun. None.
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He was aimed right at the feds. Sorry your bias blinded you.

Get better heroes.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Just like they want the schools to educate the kids better but don't want to pay the taxes for it....
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Even though this is a bit off the topic, what a completely ignorant statement. If you think that the problem with education in this country is a shortage of money, then you really need to get educated. We spend more money per student than anyone in the world. Watch "The Cartel" before you make such comments. Don't want to pay??? We are paying through the nose.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, when we have people who confront law enforcement with guns in order to keep them from evicting a freeloader who refuses to pay for the use of federal lands, who offer to put their women on the front lines so that, should the shooting start, the agents will look bad for shooting them (remember: Taliban) then the FBI is likely to want to investigate those people.

Who saw that one coming?
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Do you support having women in the military serving on the front lines ?

I've noticed those who have condemned that women were within the group of supporters of Bundy are the same people advocating that women serve on the front lines with the grunts.

BTW: I've watched many videos of the stand off in the Mojave and didn't see anyone hiding behind any women.

But I digress.

Who ordered the FBI to conduct an investigation ? Eric Holder maybe ?

What federal crime was committed by these supporters. I've watched the videos and didn't see any.
 
Grant said:
Did they teach you that in order to have a better education you need to spend still more money per student? If money was the answer Americans would be the best educated people in the world.
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But what you're not getting is WHY we spend more than anyone else. Yes, teacher pay is the largest single cost...but we've got a host of expenses in our schools that most other countries don't. For instance, buses. Yes, other nations have buses...but how many of them actually spend for big honking buses for the entirety of their rural areas? A lot of other nations use much smaller and more fuel-efficient oversized vans.

Another big expense is special ed. I've had medically-fragile Foster children in my home for nearly 15 years...and every public school in America (but not the private schools) is required to be able to transport, teach, and care for those special-needs children. Sometimes - as was the case for my kids - the school had to pay for a nurse just for my child for several years. Now the school's "only" paying for just a caregiver for him at school, as long as there's a nurse handy for emergencies like the short seizure he had today.

Another big expense is the cafeteria. Yes, a lot of other nations have cafeterias in their schools...but not all of them. Some nations require kids to bring lunches.

One of the biggest expenses is our school sports - NO other nation has to spend anything like what we do on sports, because just about every high school has both a football stadium (and football equipment and weight room) and a basketball court, and sometimes even a baseball stadium, too. These cost a LOT of money. What do other nations have? Sometimes basketball...but usually only soccer, if that...and even if they do have a soccer field, they don't have to spend anywhere near what we do on football equipment.

And let's not forget the newest big expense that our 2A-loving nation has in our schools that other nations largely don't worry about at all - armed security, sometimes even with metal detectors. We pay for that, too.

In other words, it's a big mistake to think that it's because of our teacher salaries that we're spending so much on education. We pay our teachers above the average, but our teachers get nowhere near the top pay (Luxembourg, $72K for first-year teachers (ours is $53K). It's all the other crap we're paying for that's making our education budgets so huge.
 
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