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The Newest Benghazi Controversy: Political Fundraising

justabubba said:
and a different perspective (from the next President of the United States of America):
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Wouldn't that be nice. That would in fact be the sort of race that would pull me out of my usual, uninspiring "vote for the lesser of two evils" approach to elections.
 
Anthony60 said:
What an absolute jerk she is. She's an Indian, isn't she? Likes telling hard working people,"You didn't build that." Total jerk. If she's ever President, this won't be the United States anymore.
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That's when you know you have a good candidate: when the worst her political opponents can come up with is a string of abstract invective and something about her being a Native American.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Remember Reagans Benghazi? Instead of trying to make it into a political hack show instead we called it what it was, a tragedy.
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Remember Clinton's which Makes this one a Repeat for the Demos......how many times do they need to get it Right?
 
DA60 said:
I have zero problem with them investigating.

My problem is with the incredible amount of attention the GOP seems to be putting on to it.

The economy is stalled, the budget is a mess, Obama is playing chicken with Russia over the Ukraine and THIS is the GOP's big issue with democrats?

I wish the GOP had spent this much energy investigating Bush for the ridiculous war in Iraq and the 4,000+ brave American soldiers it cost. Or the many other brave soldiers that have died in Afghanistan for nothing (strategically).


IMO, this is little more then GOP desperation. They lost on Obamacare, they seem as clueless on the economy as the Dems and they realize that since the Fed basically controls the economy AND that the Fed is in the WH's back pocket; that the Fed just has to ramp up QE before the mid-terms to artificially stimulate the economy and give the Dem's the edge.

In other words, the Reps know that the Dems are in the driver's seat and this is all the Reps (IMO) have.

I sincerely do not believe the GOP leaders care that much about those that died at Benghazi...because they sure did not seem to care this much about thousands of Americans dying in Iraq/Afghanistan. They just smell some political blood...and they are hungry.


Additionally, I also feel that freaking out about those 4 that died in Benghazi while the Rep leaders allowed thousands of Americans to die overseas is hypocrisy.
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Heya DA. :2wave: Question.....who has more dead under him in Afghanistan. Bush or BO?

Also why Can't Bo call an attempted kidnapping for what it is in another country, but would look to lie and call it a carjacking?
 
Middleground said:
Yes, they were given false intelligence. If you do not believe that, then you're naive at best. And, if you can remember, there was a very strong sense of urgency at the time, so there wasn't any time for Democrats to hold 56 hearings at finding the truth.
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Oh, how ironic. The poor democrats being mislead. That's a good one. Yeah, like they made these seperate reports for the democrats only, and of course they just swallowed it up. We know the dems never question anything the repulicans say. Is it possible to have any more holes in this lie?
 
Cardinal said:
That's when you know you have a good candidate: when the worst her political opponents can come up with is a string of abstract invective and something about her being a Native American.
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I guess you need a translation. She's a liar.
 
tres borrachos said:
The families of the 4 men asked for an investigation. Would it be wise for the GOP not to investigate and tell them "well, we don't want to look desperate, so you're SOL"?

I'm fine with them investigating.

And let's face it - how many votes do you think it would get them that they wouldn't already get anyway? They aren't that stupid. This isn't to gain votes.
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The families, of course, are partisan hacks.

anyone whosoever questions anything done or said by anyone who has ever met Obama is a partisan hack.

I have never seen an admission of error to any degree on the part of anyone associated with the White House nor any of their supporters.

What is sounding like desperation is not this inquiry, but the constant rant of "old news" and whiny little protests that it's all persecution from Obamhaters.

A woman who has admitted harassing political opponents through the IRS has lied to congress and now refuses to testify. A silly, childish, and easily demolished lie about the assassinations of four people serving their government is masked behind bleats of partisan witch hunts, while the president who has boasted the most open and accountable government in the HISTORY of the nation hides behind underlings and things that slither like Jay Carney, and the fawning few left top idolize merely bleat "unfair"

Anyone honest with nothing to hide would open the books and make fools of the accusers, if they weren't hiding a ton of other ****.

I did not ever think I would see the day to see Democrats behaving worse than Nixon Republicans......

At least Tricky Dick had a foreign policy....
 
Moot said:
Only half the Democrats voted for the war....whereas all of the Republican voted for it. Except for Ron Paul, I don't recall seeing any conservative pundits protest against the war or participate in any of the anti-war protests ...some of which were the largest peaceful protests in world history. Funny how that hardly made the news.

Hello Polgara.
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Mornin Moot.
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Not all Republicans voted to go to Iraq either. There were 7 of them that didn't. One Senator and 6 Congressmen. Most of them were Liberty Republicans or Moderates. There is only one left still in the House.



The House members who got it right were Ron Paul, John Duncan, Amo Houghton, John Hostettler, Jim Leach, and Connie Morella. The lone senator was Lincoln Chaffee.

Only Duncan is still in Congress. For all the success the antiwar right seems to have had, it’s worth remembering that very few of the liberty-movement Republicans now serving have been tested to the degree those seven were. The Republican non-interventionist caucus has had to be rebuilt, and what it looks like today is quite different from what it was in 2002. Certainly it’s more philosophically unified. About half of the original AUFM “no” votes were moderates representing blue states or blue districts. For the most part, they’ve been replaced in office by Democrats.....snip~

The Seven Republicans Who Were Right About Iraq | The American Conservative
 
Anthony60 said:
I guess you need a translation. She's a liar.
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Years of public service and all you can come up with is the Native American claim? Seriously? Think about how awesome it would be if you had a conservative candidate whose professional and public life dated back to the seventies and the only thing Democrats could (feebly) tar him with was an uncertain claim to Irish ancestry?

And the Cherokee/Deleware claim wasn't a lie. She grew up with her family telling her she had those ties, and it's pretty much the most believable, innocuous claim one could make. Really think about it: if that's the worst you have on her, she rocks.
 
MMC said:
Heya DA. :2wave: Question.....who has more dead under him in Afghanistan. Bush or BO?

Also why Can't Bo call an attempted kidnapping for what it is in another country, but would look to lie and call it a carjacking?
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Hiya MMC :2wave:

1) Not sure...both have too many, imo.

2) Not sure what you mean. I am quite sure he lies on a daily basid. Feel same way about G.W.B..
 
Cardinal said:
That's when you know you have a good candidate: when the worst her political opponents can come up with is a string of abstract invective and something about her being a Native American.
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Heya Cardinal :2wave: .....How did I do. Post 60. Do you think Elizabeth has something to think about Now? :lol:
 
Middleground said:
Because they were given false intelligence.
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The left never trusted Bush. He stole the election, remember?

Then, on matters as significant as national security and starting a war with another country they suddenly trust him?

They are the liars!
 
MMC said:
Heya Cardinal :2wave: .....How did I do. Post 60. Do you think Elizabeth has something to think about Now? :lol:
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No, why would I? How does that have anything to do with Warren?

Your OP addresses a common issue: how to deal with a big, stupid fabricated political circus filled with lies and half truths? To address it or not to address it? That is the question. To do so risks legitimizing it, to not do so risks having it get even louder, stupider and even more out of control. Personally, I think the Kerry/Swift Boat and Birther cases prove that ultimately it's better to deal with it. Ignoring them doesn't really work.
 
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DA60 said:
Hiya MMC :2wave:

1) Not sure...both have too many, imo.

2) Not sure what you mean. I am quite sure he lies on a daily basid. Feel same way about G.W.B..
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Well you are Right about number one both having to many. One was to many.

Yeah, and now the Nation even knows by a poll how many thinks he lies and Will continue to lie.

Well, what Happened Right before the 11th Anniversary of 911.....there was an attempted Kidnapping of Embassy Personnel. August 7th 2012.....what happened was. Somebody tried to kidnap our people with them in a car. BO and his Team.....kept it on the hush hush and then reported it as a possible Carjacking......in Libya. Carjacking that's what they said, Exact Words bro. :lamo
 
Cardinal said:
No, why would I?
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Well, it has a link to a thread which report's from the MS media.....as to that reason why, you might.

But then it does point out Why the Demos definitely.....Will!
 
iguanaman said:
Right...On one side we have President who invaded a nation using false intelligence provided by the CIA causing the deaths of 4000+ Americans ( more than died in 911) and on the other we have 4 Americans who died in a tiny consulate in Africa because the CIA failed to protect them from a terrorist plot. What is the common denominator and which is more of tragedy?
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So there is acceptable tragedy?

Denial and allowable loss, a perspective of the American left.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063259912 said:
So there is acceptable tragedy?

Denial and allowable loss, a perspective of the American left.
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Heya MA. :2wave: Well, that and they don't want to much to come out about the Turk Envoy, the CIA gathering up Gadhafi's stored weapons, the Libyan Freighter that appeared off the Syrian Coast, and not around any major port.

Also they don't want that focus to come out to affect Hill-Dog......especially the Part that will get replayed over and over again. Which that would be.....she never even checked back to see if her people made it out alive after she talked to Hicks.

Just the type of President this country needs.....huh?
 
MMC said:
Well, it has a link to a thread which report's from the MS media.....as to that reason why, you might.

But then it does point out Why the Demos definitely.....Will!
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Just another fabricated political circus thread, no new facts there.
 
Anthony60 said:
What an absolute jerk she is. She's an Indian, isn't she? Likes telling hard working people,"You didn't build that." Total jerk. If she's ever President, this won't be the United States anymore.
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Yeah, what a jerk she. All she cares about is making sure the hard working people of the United States of America live freely and fairly in the best environment possible. Shame on her!11!!11!
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063259912 said:
So there is acceptable tragedy?

Denial and allowable loss, a perspective of the American left.
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Partisan witch hunts and using dead Americans as fundraisers. all that is left of the GOP.
 
Cardinal said:
Years of public service and all you can come up with is the Native American claim? Seriously? Think about how awesome it would be if you had a conservative candidate whose professional and public life dated back to the seventies and the only thing Democrats could (feebly) tar him with was an uncertain claim to Irish ancestry?

And the Cherokee/Deleware claim wasn't a lie. She grew up with her family telling her she had those ties, and it's pretty much the most believable, innocuous claim one could make. Really think about it: if that's the worst you have on her, she rocks.
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Oh, I don't mean to say that that is the worst thing about her. I would be fine if she was someone that would uphold the Constitution and fight for our liberties and freedoms. She won't do that, no democrat hopeful will. There are very few republicans that will, either.
But she's a Marxist, Socialist, Statist... whatever you want to call her. She will get in there and fight on the side of big government, not the individual, not our Constitutional protections.
 
Middleground said:
Yeah, what a jerk she. All she cares about is making sure the hard working people of the United States of America live freely and fairly in the best environment possible. Shame on her!11!!11!
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Freedom is the least of her concerns. She is a big government Statist, and screw the individual.
 
Anthony60 said:
Oh, I don't mean to say that that is the worst thing about her. I would be fine if she was someone that would uphold the Constitution and fight for our liberties and freedoms. She won't do that, no democrat hopeful will. There are very few republicans that will, either.
But she's a Marxist, Socialist, Statist... whatever you want to call her. She will get in there and fight on the side of big government, not the individual, not our Constitutional protections.
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Huh. It's like you've never read any of her comments or any articles on her, because you have no specifics, and to say that she doesn't speak for the individual is so asinine that I can only conclude that you're really talking about someone else. Besides a steady stream of ambiguous invective, do you have anything specific?
 
Cardinal said:
Huh. It's like you've never read any of her comments or any articles on her, because you have no specifics, and to say that she doesn't speak for the individual is so asinine that I can only conclude that you're really talking about someone else. Besides a steady stream of ambiguous invective, do you have anything specific?
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As I mentioned, her "you didn't build that speech", long before Obama decided to use it. Every other time I've heard her speak, she stayed with the same big government theme. Why, did I miss something where she came out and said that the government needs to be limited as the Constitution says?
 
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