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DDD said:
Leaked UN report claims Russia "rigged" Crimea referendum - News - Politics - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video
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Do you understand the concept of evidence?!?
I am asking you to show a proof i.e evidence upon which you have based your claim of a "rigged" referendum vote.

This: "The delegation met with sources who claimed that there had been alleged cases of non-Ukrainian citizens participating in the referendum as well as individuals voting numerous times in different locations," i.e meeting with an unknown number of unannounced "sources" of unnamed political affiliation, "claiming" that there had been "alleged" cases of something, isn't evidence.

Either try again, or take your baseless claim back.

Fallen.
 
Fallenangel said:
Do you understand the concept of evidence?!?
I am asking you to show a proof i.e evidence upon which you have based your claim of a "rigged" referendum vote.

This: "The delegation met with sources who claimed that there had been alleged cases of non-Ukrainian citizens participating in the referendum as well as individuals voting numerous times in different locations," i.e meeting with an unknown number of unannounced "sources" of unnamed political affiliation, "claiming" that there had been "alleged" cases of something, isn't evidence.

Either try again, or take your baseless claim back.

Fallen.
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So what do you mean whether I have evidence? You want my personal pictures that I took while I was in Crimea that shows how rigged the referendum was?
 
DDD said:
So what do you mean whether I have evidence? You want my personal pictures that I took while I was in Crimea that shows how rigged the referendum was?
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Documents showing the fraud, footage, video of mass "injection" of ballot papers etc...
How would you or investigative journalists/others would obtain these things, is not my problem but yours, as you are the one that made a claim regarding the validity of the referendum.

Fallen.
 
Fallenangel said:
Documents showing the fraud, footage, video of mass "injection" of ballot papers etc...
How would you or investigative journalists/others would obtain these things, is not my problem but yours, as you are the one that made a claim regarding the validity of the referendum.

Fallen.
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Nice position. Pushing me to get impossible documents in order to prove my position.

However Fallen the journal mentioned above is good enough from me. Thereby I am not taking my statement back. Due to such a journals and many others I still maintain that: Referendum in Crimea was rigged.

Thanks.
 
DDD said:
Nice position. Pushing me to get impossible documents in order to prove my position.

However Fallen the journal mentioned above is good enough from me. Thereby I am not taking my statement back. Due to such a journals and many others I still maintain that: Referendum in Crimea was rigged.

Thanks.
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No, thank you, for proving once again that you prefer to stick to baseless assertions ("opinions") which stem from either lack of evidence, or ignorance of the subject you are trying to debate.


Fallen.
 
Fallenangel said:
No, thank you, for proving once again that you prefer to stick to baseless assertions ("opinions") which stem from either lack of evidence, or ignorance of the subject you are trying to debate.


Fallen.
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My opinions stand on various media outlets one of which was from UN that I presented. We could compare media and evaluate what may be the truth. Otherwise we are done here for I have no interest in interacting with you on a personal level (i.e., how I am opinionated, how my assertions are baseless, etc).
 
If Putin's a 'devout Christian', I'm a Sikh.
 
DDD said:
My opinions stand on various media outlets one of which was from UN that I presented. We could compare media and evaluate what may be the truth. Otherwise we are done here for I have no interest in interacting with you on a personal level (i.e., how I am opinionated, how my assertions are baseless, etc).
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Run away then mate, run away...and as a general suggestion, try to form your opinions based on facts, and not on "media outlets".

Fallen.
 
Fallenangel said:
Run away then mate, run away...and as a general suggestion, try not to form your opinions based on "media outlets", but on facts.

Fallen.
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No need to runaway "mate." I did not come here to "runaway" from anyone. Further nothing you have ever presented for your pro-Russian position can stand as a "fact." Your "evidence" is of "media outlet" nature also. What we do here then is compare notes and take positions on what we believe happened.
 
DDD said:
No need to runaway "mate." I did not come here to "runaway" from anyone. Further nothing you have ever presented for your pro-Russian position can stand as a "fact." Your "evidence" is of "media outlet" nature also. What we do here then is compare notes and take positions on what we believe happened.
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It is very simple;
You "suggested' that the referendum was "rigged", I asked you to present your evidence to support your "suggestion", you failed to do so.
Neither "note comparison", nor your usual "but, but look at Russsians/Russia...", etc, have anything to do with your "suggestion" and the lack of evidence that you have to support it.

Btw. Regarding evidence in the media. The evidence itself is what needs to be assessed/analysed on its' own merit, not on the fact that something has been published or reported somewhere. Moreover, different claims require different degrees of evidence - "suggesting" that it is going to rain tomorrow, is not the same as "suggesting" that tomorrow US would start bombing China.

Fallen.
 
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I guess Putin doesn't want people to bring up the fact that the Russian army brutally raped and killed millions of German women on their way to Berlin.........all encouraged by the Soviet propaganda minister........
 
Fallenangel said:
It is very simple;
You "suggested' that the referendum was "rigged", I asked you to present your evidence to support your "suggestion", you failed to do so.
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I presented evidence in the form of media. Just like you. You asked for personal picture taking and such. Somehow I was suppose to go to Ukraine and take picture for you. Thanks, but I have a life you know. The media alone usually does it. Feel free to criticize the media, not me who presented it and made you aware of it.

Fallenangel said:
Neither "note comparison", nor your usual "but, but look at Russsians/Russia...", etc, have anything to do with your "suggestion" and the lack of evidence that you have to support it.
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The elections in Crimea were rigged according to that link. In other links the minority voted. Those are what I have. Now to compare notes. Your media claims it was not rigged and the majority voted. So what really happened?

Fallenangel said:
Btw. Regarding evidence in the media. The evidence itself is what needs to be assessed/analysed on its' own merit, not on the fact that something has been published or reported somewhere. Moreover, different claims require different degrees of evidence - "suggesting" that it is going to rain tomorrow, is not the same as "suggesting" that tomorrow US would start bombing China.


Fallen.
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Agreed. Compare notes then?
 
northwinds said:
I guess Putin doesn't want people to bring up the fact that the Russian army brutally raped and killed millions of German women on their way to Berlin.........all encouraged by the Soviet propaganda minister........
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It depends whether the atrocities committed from Russians on the way to Berlin (and out) is already mention in their history books or not. If it is not mentioned at all then it looks likely that this may be why Putin made a preventive move in this regard.

But surely there should be some hints of their atrocities in their own histories? They cannot clear away all of their atrocities and wrong doings and force a pure humane Russia in their textbooks can they? None could share such a position and role in WW2 of theirs outside of Russia and its' realm of influence.
 
DDD said:
I presented evidence in the form of media. Just like you. You asked for personal picture taking and such. Somehow I was suppose to go to Ukraine and take picture for you. Thanks, but I have a life you know. The media alone usually does it. Feel free to criticize the media, not me who presented it and made you aware of it.

The elections in Crimea were rigged according to that link. In other links the minority voted. Those are what I have. Now to compare notes. Your media claims it was not rigged and the majority voted. So what really happened?
Agreed. Compare notes then?
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You're either trolling, or you're just a lost case mate... keep on with your life and forget that this conversation ever happened.

Fallen.
 
Jango said:
Uh… yes on banning such vile nonsense like Holocaust denial but this is interesting: "wittingly spreading false information about the activity of the USSR during the years of World War Two" because I strongly doubt that officially approved Russian History books and textbooks for schoolchildren reveal or discuss anything remotely considered controversial in effect being one of the most sanitized teachings of history on the planet.
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Don't fool yourself, there's plenty of false history in US history books as well.
 
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