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Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fElM6Ov1TIg

Here is what john p holdren had to say about his book he co wrote calling for population control and forced abortions.
 
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I imagine we'll have lots of fun laughing about many liberal apocalypse myths: climate change, peak oil, the population bomb, etc...

I have no doubt we'd be hearing a lot more about meteors and supervolcanoes as well if you all could just figure out how to tie them to higher taxes, redistribution of wealth, and increased regulation.

This end of the world crap has been going on for centuries (it seems we are the link between prehistoric man and intelligent man!) but this is the first time the doomsayers have suggested putting a tax on their nonsense. But the tax will arrive in order to 'Save The Planet', and quite a few politicians, bureaucrats and other warm mongers are going to become very, very rich in the process.
 
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Climate change is real a few months ago it was cold now it is not so cold. just proves that climate is changing.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Kill ourselves by not listening to whom? Al Gore?

Leftists will believe anything!

Just want to make sure you understand what you're quoting. So few seem to. He isn't anti science like you folks.
 
That was neither said nor suggested. Why not respond to the post rather than asking stupid questions?

What was suggested was either if can't control everyone do nothing, or we control them, which would require invasion. China has all the lack of regulations you want. Right?
 
What was suggested was either if can't control everyone do nothing, or we control them, which would require invasion. China has all the lack of regulations you want. Right?

Nothing was 'suggested'.
 
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Climate change is real a few months ago it was cold now it is not so cold. just proves that climate is changing.

Damn, you're right!! In fact a friend of mine in Australia said the same thing happened there but in reverse. It's hemispheric changing!
 
Pretty silly argument you got there, but are suggesting we invade China?

No, that's your fantasy, don't lay that on him. He never suggested any such thing.
 
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Your first link is incorrect so didn't bother with the second. Believe what you want but don't expect others to pay for your beliefs.

Feel free to explain why the first point is incorrect.
 
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The ice cap is growing. You know that, right?

Here in Louisiana it snowed three times this winter.

Hell, I'll be glad when global warming kicks in! LOL!!

Yeah well Here in Wisconsin it was 100+ degrees for a week straight .. we had our hottest summer on record.

I think I will trust NASA's satellites over whatever source you got your information from.

Arctic Sea Ice Minimum in 2013 is Sixth Lowest on Record | NASA
 
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Yeah well Here in Wisconsin it was 100+ degrees for a week straight .. we had our hottest summer on record.

I think I will trust NASA's satellites over whatever source you got your information from.

Arctic Sea Ice Minimum in 2013 is Sixth Lowest on Record | NASA

I think you're being more than a little disingenuous here....BTW, so is NASA.....

"Since reaching its annual maximum extent on March 21, Arctic sea ice extent has declined somewhat unevenly, but has consistently been well below its average 1981 to 2010 extent. While the rate of Arctic-wide retreat was rapid through the first half of April, it has subsequently slowed down. However, ice breakup was quite early in the Bering Sea, presenting difficulties for gold dredging operations and seal hunters in the region. In the Antarctic, sea ice continued to reach record high extents."

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

So the rate of melt was higher in early April, and slowed down, because the temp according to your own article says:

"This year, Arctic temperatures were 1.8 to 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit (1 to 2.5 degrees Celsius) lower than average, according to NASA's Modern Era Retrospective analysis for Research and Applications, a merging of observations and a modeled forecast. The colder temperatures were in part due to a series of summer cyclones. In August 2012, a big storm caused havoc on the Arctic Ocean’s icy cover, but this summer’s cyclones have had the opposite effect: under cloudier conditions, surface winds spread the ice over a larger area."

So, NASA is using a "model" and changing what actually happened which is an expansion, not a decrease as they would mislead you to believe...And AGW zealots buy right into it without question....
 
No, that's your fantasy, don't lay that on him. He never suggested any such thing.
then what is he suggesting? He brought up China and them not complying. I'm open to any point actually being made.
 
then what is he suggesting? He brought up China and them not complying. I'm open to any point actually being made.

I want to see real pressure brought to bear on China by environmentalists publically. I'm sick of the double standard with China. They and India are given a pass while US companies are pummeled on a regular basis. China is a cesspool compared to us, and if environmentalists really believe in their cause they'll attack the hard targets like China, and not just the easy ones.
 
I want to see real pressure brought to bear on China by environmentalists publically. I'm sick of the double standard with China. They and India are given a pass while US companies are pummeled on a regular basis. China is a cesspool compared to us, and if environmentalists really believe in their cause they'll attack the hard targets like China, and not just the easy ones.

It's always the leftist "Blame America First" crowd who comes up with this stuff and it's a mystery why any well informed person should ever take them seriously.
 
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There in Wisconsin you had your hottest summer on record in 1936.

And cold winters also. Is This The Worst Winter Ever? Here

Perhaps this hot in summer and cold in winter experiences we are having is part of a climatological trend.
 
I want to see real pressure brought to bear on China by environmentalists publically. I'm sick of the double standard with China. They and India are given a pass while US companies are pummeled on a regular basis. China is a cesspool compared to us, and if environmentalists really believe in their cause they'll attack the hard targets like China, and not just the easy ones.

As they are pressuring China: Activists Crack China’s Wall of Denial About Air Pollution

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/28/w...act-on-air-pollution.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

and any search would show a lot of this. So, isn't this just dodging the issue on your sides part (which is what I was getting at)? There's not much that can be done.
 
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I think you're being more than a little disingenuous here....BTW, so is NASA.....

"Since reaching its annual maximum extent on March 21, Arctic sea ice extent has declined somewhat unevenly, but has consistently been well below its average 1981 to 2010 extent. While the rate of Arctic-wide retreat was rapid through the first half of April, it has subsequently slowed down. However, ice breakup was quite early in the Bering Sea, presenting difficulties for gold dredging operations and seal hunters in the region. In the Antarctic, sea ice continued to reach record high extents."

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

So the rate of melt was higher in early April, and slowed down, because the temp according to your own article says:

"This year, Arctic temperatures were 1.8 to 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit (1 to 2.5 degrees Celsius) lower than average, according to NASA's Modern Era Retrospective analysis for Research and Applications, a merging of observations and a modeled forecast. The colder temperatures were in part due to a series of summer cyclones. In August 2012, a big storm caused havoc on the Arctic Ocean’s icy cover, but this summer’s cyclones have had the opposite effect: under cloudier conditions, surface winds spread the ice over a larger area."

So, NASA is using a "model" and changing what actually happened which is an expansion, not a decrease as they would mislead you to believe...And AGW zealots buy right into it without question....


Sure your point makes sense if you only read the first few paragraphs of that article. Did you also read the part where it states the average thickness in 1980 was 3.8 meters and in recent years the average thickness was 1.9 meters?

The issue is not total coverage, it is ice thickness. If temperatures drop below a certain level ice coverage will increase, however the duration of those temperatures is what determines ice thickness. In recent years you have comparable coverage, however, it melts sooner and more thoroughly due to the decreased thickness of the ice. This poses a problem, mainly because the thinner the ice, the quicker it will melt and therefor causes a landslide effect, so-to-speak.

The article also states that while recent years there have been colder temperatures, one or two years of increase in coverage does not change the trend of multiple years of decrease.

What has been steadily happening is a loss of ice coverage for many years followed by a few years of cold temperatures then a return to steady loss of ice coverage. So your explanation of 1.8 - 4.5 degrees colder has no bearing, it was only for a year or so and does not change the steady trend that has been happening.


From the article (at the bottom)

"Most of the Arctic Ocean used to be covered by multiyear ice, or ice that has survived at least two summers and is typically 10 to 13 feet (3 to 4 meters) thick. This older ice has declined at an even faster rate than younger ice and is now largely relegated to a strip along the northern coast of Greenland. The rest of the Arctic Ocean is dominated by first year ice, or ice that formed over the previous winter and is only 3 to 7 feet (1 to 2 meters) thick."
 
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Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

There in Wisconsin you had your hottest summer on record in 1936.

never before have we had so many days above 100 degrees in a row, nor consecutive days above 95 degrees.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

There in Wisconsin you had your hottest summer on record in 1936.

and sorry 2013 was only a little hotter than average. 2012 was the hot one.
 
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