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Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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tecoyah said:
Allow me to assist you going forward.....Click on my member name/profile/add to ignore list....I will do the same.
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No. When you post something which is obviously false I will be here to point out the error.
 
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Tim the plumber said:
As a typical warmist you obviously don't actually like the idea of doing the science thinking for yourself.

The land ice is all that mattes. The floating stuff will never cause any sea level change.

The land ice is growing in Antarctica and the data for the Greenland stuff is highly questionable. If it is melting (overall) at all it's doing it exceptionally slowly. The IPCC's worst case scenario has a contribution of 9cm to sea level rise from Greenland's ice.

The world's climate has not warmed for 15 to 17 years. How long will this not warming have to happen for you to think that the hypothesis of AGW might be wrong?

If it gets colder for the next 5 years will you then admit that it was all a load of bull?

At what point will you think that it's shown to be wrong? That's a science type question.
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For some reason, the National Snow and Ice Data Center doesn't agree with that 9 cm estimate concerning the Greenland Ice Sheet melting. A quick read thru the summary pages of the 2013 IPCC report also shows disagreement with your 9 cm estimate - unless you are talking about the next 10 years only.
Ice sheets contain enormous quantities of frozen water. If the Greenland Ice Sheet melted, scientists estimate that sea level would rise about 6 meters (20 feet).
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Climate Myth: Global Warming stopped in 1998
 
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Somerville said:
For some reason, the National Snow and Ice Data Center doesn't agree with that 9 cm estimate concerning the Greenland Ice Sheet melting. A quick read thru the summary pages of the 2013 IPCC report also shows disagreement with your 9 cm estimate - unless you are talking about the next 10 years only.


Climate Myth: Global Warming stopped in 1998
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From the IPCC's 5th report 13.3.3.1
Observations indicate that the Greenland contribution to GMSL has
very likely increased from 0.09 [–0.02 to 0.20] mm yr–1 for 1992–2001
to 0.59 [0.43 to 0.76] mm yr–1 for 2002–2011 (Section 4.4.3, Figure
13.4). The average rate of the Antarctica contribution to sea level rise
likely increased from 0.08 [–0.10 to 0.27] mm yr–1 for 1992–2001 to
0.40 [0.20 to 0.61] mm yr–1 for 2002–2011 (Section 4.4.3). For the
budget period 1993–2010, the combined contribution of the ice sheets
is 0.60 [0.42 to 0.78] mm yr–1.
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It's changed from the draft report which I started a thread on.

The 0.6mm per year is 6cm per century.

Do you have any science which suggest that the entire Greenland ice sheet is at all likely to melt or are you just putting that out there to cause needless alarm?
 
Luftwaffe said:
It depends, and besides, Optimal survival of humanity > paying more taxes

Do I think we can be smart and avoid a tax rise through relocation of funds within the government and the implementing of better sources for revenue like legalizing marijuana? Yes, and hopefully we do.
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How about ending subsides for companies and foreign nations?

Legalize pot, tax it, fix schools and roads with it.
 
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austrianecon said:
Smoking doesn't cause cancer, rather it's mutation which normally happens anyway..
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Kindof like shooting doesn't cause death, rather it causes a catastrophic loss of blood pressure which leads to death.
 
Erod said:
New White House report: Climate change is here and action needed now - CNN.com

Did you hear that? That was your taxes about to skyrocket.
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After a historically cold winter filled with alarmists quick to warn that weather isn't climate we get this alarmist screed claiming, over the course of 1200 pages, that weather is climate.

Not only that, but as the globe has warmed over the last 150 years -- saving us from the famine, pestilence and death of the Little Ice Age -- statistics show that drought, hurricanes, floods and other extreme weather is actually declining.

I am still not sure if Obama is a complete and utter liar or if, in cases like this, he is just too stupid know the difference.
 
Since this is a big deal, why isn't anyone suggesting across the board limits on power consumption, rationing of gasoline, and population controls?

If your recommendation is a total reduction in CO/2, then that should be your stance.
 
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Tim the plumber said:
As a typical warmist you obviously don't actually like the idea of doing the science thinking for yourself.

The land ice is all that mattes. The floating stuff will never cause any sea level change.

The land ice is growing in Antarctica and the data for the Greenland stuff is highly questionable. If it is melting (overall) at all it's doing it exceptionally slowly. The IPCC's worst case scenario has a contribution of 9cm to sea level rise from Greenland's ice.

The world's climate has not warmed for 15 to 17 years. How long will this not warming have to happen for you to think that the hypothesis of AGW might be wrong?

If it gets colder for the next 5 years will you then admit that it was all a load of bull?

At what point will you think that it's shown to be wrong? That's a science type question.
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The world hasn't gotten warmer for a stretch because solar activity decreased, offsetting the positive forcing caused by greenhouse emissions.
 
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Higgins86 said:
when in the history of the planet have we consumed the natural resources at the rate we currently are?
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When in the history of the planet will we stop confusing correlation and causation?
 
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jmotivator said:
After a historically cold winter filled with alarmists quick to warn that weather isn't climate we get this alarmist screed claiming, over the course of 1200 pages, that weather is climate.

Not only that, but as the globe has warmed over the last 150 years -- saving us from the famine, pestilence and death of the Little Ice Age -- statistics show that drought, hurricanes, floods and other extreme weather is actually declining.

I am still not sure if Obama is a complete and utter liar or if, in cases like this, he is just too stupid know the difference.
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when it comes to obama ideology trumps logic and facts every time.

150 year warming trend is nothing. i think the medival warming period lasted about 200 or so. the little ice age was about 200 as well. so a 150 year warming trend is minor
when looking at climate data, but alarmist are alarmist.

as was proven and the IPCC was critized for using non-peer reviewed work on glacier melt. along with a lot of other questionable sources.
as long as TERI and TATA continues to profit from the IPCC alarmist garbage we will have to continue to put up with this crap.

what obama doesn't understand is all those millions of dollars he requires for all these regulations are taxes on middle class america and the poor. these energy companies aren't going
to foot the bill they will recoup their losses with higher rates to their customers.
 
Samhain said:
Since this is a big deal, why isn't anyone suggesting across the board limits on power consumption, rationing of gasoline, and population controls?

If your recommendation is a total reduction in CO/2, then that should be your stance.
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Why isn't the president cutting his travel? Why is Al Gore buying multimillion dollar homes on the beach? Why aren't Global Climate Summits done over the internet?

It's because they don't actually believe what they are saying. It is a path to power and money, and what good is power and money if you aren't allowed to use it?
 
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Doesnt really matter whether climate change is real or not or if its man made or not because there's nothing anybody can do about it.

However, it always pays to be prepared. Anybody wanna help me invest in a customized trimaran?

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Strange how climatologists, civil engineers, educators, psychiatrists, etc, will always provide suggestions and sound alarms over things that will ultimately put a lot of money in their pockets.
 
jmotivator said:
Why isn't the president cutting his travel? Why is Al Gore buying multimillion dollar homes on the beach? Why aren't Global Climate Summits done over the internet?

It's because they don't actually believe what they are saying. It is a path to power and money, and what good is power and money if you aren't allowed to use it?
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"Global warming" has made Al Gore an insanely rich man.
 
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Missed AB said:
I have no dog in this fight and have many of my own opinions. that being said, it is interesting to note here just how wrong the predictions were 20 years ago for us today. Also it is intresting that we pump out more and more CO2 today than 20 years ago, yet global temperatures have NOT risen on par with the CO2 increase the past 10 - 15 years. Recent slowdown in global warming : Nature Geoscience
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This is where the left and the media look the other way. I remember when I was a kid seeing depictions of the Empire State Building with water about a quarter of the way up. That was decades ago. Ted Dansen, when he was relevant, also decades ago, claiming that the oceans would not be able to support life in 10 years. You have to be a real dim wit to believe this garbage, year after year, when it consistently proves itself to be false, every single time, right in front of your leftist faces.
 
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apdst said:
There's another saying about telling a lie so often, one starts to actually believe it. Propaganda is sump'n else, huh?
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And you guys have been rather successful doing just that. The same tactic was used successfully with smoking. And people keep swallowing, as scientists can't possibly know anything.
 
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Tim the plumber said:
As a typical warmist you obviously don't actually like the idea of doing the science thinking for yourself.

The land ice is all that mattes. The floating stuff will never cause any sea level change.

The land ice is growing in Antarctica and the data for the Greenland stuff is highly questionable. If it is melting (overall) at all it's doing it exceptionally slowly. The IPCC's worst case scenario has a contribution of 9cm to sea level rise from Greenland's ice.

The world's climate has not warmed for 15 to 17 years. How long will this not warming have to happen for you to think that the hypothesis of AGW might be wrong?

If it gets colder for the next 5 years will you then admit that it was all a load of bull?

At what point will you think that it's shown to be wrong? That's a science type question.
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When I need my car fixed, I see a mechanic. When I'm ill or injured I see a doctor. There is nothing wrong with admitting you can't be an expert in everything. The first step to wisdom, after all, isn't I know everything. What science tells us is the best information we have. Try paying some attention to it. Just a thought.
 
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Boo Radley said:
And you guys have been rather successful doing just that. The same tactic was used successfully with smoking. And people keep swallowing, as scientists can't possibly know anything.
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Let's don't pretend that scientists are gods and above question.

"Global warming", is a classic case of science becoming politicized.

You know something is amiss, when climate scientists have to falsify the evidence to achieve the desired conclusion.
 
Erod said:
New White House report: Climate change is here and action needed now - CNN.com



Did you hear that? That was your taxes about to skyrocket.
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"Climate change" is nothing more than a natural phenomena that progressive socialists have hijacked to use as a tool to manifest totalitarian governments and force global socialism and wealth redistribution on all individuals and nations.

Also, these so called climatologists, anthropologists and some geologists love to make brash predictions to scare the **** out of people, however the funny part is that not ONE SINGLE prediction they have made about our climate has ever came into fruition.... These monkeys that champion "climate change" as the destruction of mankind or the earth as we know it make Nostradamus look like a supreme prophet...

First in the early to mid 70's it was "global cooling" and the same nuts that are championing "man made global warming" were the same idiots in the 70's preaching "snowball earth part II" then in the 80's these con-men started preaching "man made global warming" and started making ridiculous predictions like by the year 2001 Florida and parts of the East Coast would be under several meters of water...... Wrong again they were.

These alleged "climatologists" are hardly scientists - they're nothing more than propagandists.

Furthermore - on a lesser note. If these clowns were seriously worried about the environment and "climate change" (which they aren't) what is their environmental motive? to stop the earths natural process of climate change? I mean because these assclowns certainly portray "climate change" as something bad when in reality earths climate has been progressively changing for the last 4.5 billion years.... Of course these human haters overlook that idea and love to blame naturally occurring climate change on man.

You know, where I sit right now as a type this - 25,000 years ago there was a 1 mile thick sheet of ice covering this area, that also happened to carve out the Great Lakes?

Presently we're coming off an ice age and almost every geologist that isn't paid by government to promote AGW will tell you this, so naturally some warming has occurred over the last 10,000 years, but to blame it on man is just a political ploy for more regulation and an attempt to control the worlds population as a whole.

OF course the EU is big on this global warming bull**** because in their mind if they have it their way we will have a one world government where the EU rules over 7.5 billion people.
 
Mr.Nick said:
"Climate change" is nothing more than a natural phenomena that progressive socialists have hijacked to use as a tool to manifest totalitarian governments and force global socialism and wealth redistribution on all individuals and nations.
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Claiming climate change is 100% human caused, or 0% human caused, is clear partisan hackage. Any honest thinking person can see it's a combination.
 
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apdst said:
Let's don't pretend that scientists are gods and above question.

"Global warming", is a classic case of science becoming politicized.

You know something is amiss, when climate scientists have to falsify the evidence to achieve the desired conclusion.
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No one said anything about Gods, so please refrain from excessive hyperbole. And I'm not asking anyone to look at the politics. The science is accepted among scientists. And overwhelmingly so. So, you can throw up false conclusions of what you think it means, but at the end of the day, this is in the domain of science. So, your misreadings, false conclusions, and talking head diversions mean nothing next to the fact that this is the view of science.
 
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apdst said:
Let's don't pretend that scientists are gods and above question.

"Global warming", is a classic case of science becoming politicized.

You know something is amiss, when climate scientists have to falsify the evidence to achieve the desired conclusion.
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Well, the fundamental problem with these so called "climate scientists" is that they're bought and paid for by governments via grants - so they have no choice but to spew AGW nonsense because if they don't those grants will go bye-bye and these "climate scientists" will lose their funding hence their job.

It's funny how the strong majority of independent climate scientists disagree that global warming is caused by man (or that man plays little role in climate change) yet the so called quacks being employed by government are certain man is responsible (as if the climate didn't change before man)...

The worst part is that these scientists are knowingly being deceptive for monetary or political reasons or they're just downright stupid or pretend to agree because it may cost them their job and their standing within the scientific community.

Real scientists shouldn't be scared to publish their findings even if their findings/research and theories contradict what is "commonly accepted" at the time. Of course tho when it comes to this debate any scientist who disagrees with AGW is smashed like a bug for going against the grain.
 
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Boo Radley said:
When I need my car fixed, I see a mechanic. When I'm ill or injured I see a doctor. There is nothing wrong with admitting you can't be an expert in everything. The first step to wisdom, after all, isn't I know everything. What science tells us is the best information we have. Try paying some attention to it. Just a thought.
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Are you capable of reading a scientific paper?

Are you capable of reading something like the IPCC's 5th report?

If the answer is yes, and you value your liberty, you should read some of the science before making a strong decision on this. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
 
ecofarm said:
Claiming climate change is 100% human caused, or 0% human caused, is clear partisan hackage. Any honest thinking person can see it's a combination.
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I never claimed man doesn't play a role, however mans role isn't as significant as portrayed by government or the quacks in the scientific community.

The problem is that all these global warming nuts pretend that man is the direct cause of climate change when in reality that is epic bull****.

Furthermore there is little or no evidence to even suggest man has played a significant role on the environment.
 
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