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Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

The funniest thing about this whole AGW nonsense is the fact that climate change is bad, when in reality it is natural.

Also, humans will be forced to migrate at some point due to climate change, which is something those who support climate change theory or AGW find completely retarded or unnecessary despite the fact that every species migrated to find a better living environment that provided their needs for survival.

Now of course over the course of several thousand years our environment will change but it will be so progressively slow that no one would even know.
 
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LowDown said:
I'll believe global warming is a crisis when the people who say it's crisis start acting like there's a crisis rather than flying jumbo jets all over creation to go golfing with a retinue of 300 people.

On the other hand, maybe I still won't believe it.
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Here in Canada a television personality with a PHD is the most ardent of warmist priests, an angry little man who is famous for bullying undergraduates especially now that he's a famous "activist".

David Suzuki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Note that "Dr." Suzuki has his PHD in Zoology and has not been inside a lab or a classroom in over 35 years.

Dr. Suzuki heads the Suzuki foundation whose executives travel by jet to Ottawa regularly to lobby politicians and "investigate" threats against the warmist cause worldwide.

Dr. Suzuki Drives a Cadillac SUV.

It's OK because some of the money donated to the Suzuki Foundation gets used to plant trees in Africa.
 
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Global warming is an industry and there are billions of dollars to be made from it.

“I predict there will be thirty to fifty-thousand climate and adaptation professionals in next decade or so, up from the current low single-digit thousands,” said Kreeger. “Already we’re seeing environmental studies and MBA programs integrate climate-related work. The ACCO will set standards and provide services, same as any other professional association.” In October, Kreeger will host a three-day “Climate Strategies Forum” at D.C.’s Wardman Park Hotel. Platinum sponsorships cost $25,000 and include a full-page program ad and a speaking slot.

Getting rich off global warming - Salon.com
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apdst said:
They'll be found in Syria, IMO.
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Maybe... They'll be found somewhere.

It's funny, in Egypt they had to build tombs to hide the treasures and the mummies of some of the Pharaohs and these tombs were built underground and covered in sand to prevent tomb raiders and every now an again some random dude will be traveling and will fall into one of these tombs.

I suppose my point is that the best place to hide WMD's wouldn't be in a warehouse or military base but under the sand in a bunker. Hell they even found Saddam under the sand in a bunker.

Saddam was evil without question but he wasn't stupid.
 
Tim the plumber said:

I'd put human contribution due to CO2 at under 10% although the effects of human activity at a local level are very often much more than that.
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There are other gasses and factors.

North Africa is a desert mostly due to human activity. Well, the activity of all the goats and camels that humans over graze the land with.
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That's an important factor.
 
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The mid to upper range of the IPCC prediction is almost statistically impossible.
The slope of the observed warming would have to increase 3 fold to get to the middle
of the range.
On my graph is the GISS temps since 1880(dark squiggly line)
Yellow is the accepted direct response of CO2 1.2 C
Pink is the lower limit of the IPCC prediction 1.5 C
Light blue is the upper limit 4.5 C
The lines are intended to show tracks necessary to reach a target
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apdst said:
And that's the long and the short of the issue.

Climate scientists, who make a very nice living off global warming research aren't going to endanger their jobs.
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Exactly, and this goes for anyone getting government grants for research. It just so happens that our government and governments around the world want climate change to be man made so they can further control people and regulate businesses. Honestly I don't even believe these so called environmental scientists even believe in AGW - they just pretend they do because it's their money, job and standing within the scientific community amongst their peers (who play ball with the government) that entices them to go "with the flow" or continue with the propaganda.
 
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longview said:
The mid to upper range of the IPCC prediction is almost statistically impossible.
The slope of the observed warming would have to increase 3 fold to get to the middle
of the range.
On my graph is the GISS temps since 1880(dark squiggly line)
Yellow is the accepted direct response of CO2 1.2 C
Pink is the lower limit of the IPCC prediction 1.5 C
Light blue is the upper limit 4.5 C
The lines are intended to show tracks necessary to reach a target
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It's kind of funny, the AGW nuts love to use this term "the hockey stick" as a way of demonstrating the reality of AGW, yet in reality - and for the sake of truth - it would take numerous hockey sticks overlapping one another to get a complete picture of our climate over the past 200 years.

The whole "hockey stick" analogy is so deceptive because it implies we had a stable environment until "evil humans" and their "capitalism" came about and destroyed the environment.

I don't even know why or how geologists (at least those not funded by the government) can even put up with the whole "hockey stick" bull**** - because that idea alone discredits the entire field of geology.
 
jmotivator said:
After a historically cold winter filled with alarmists quick to warn that weather isn't climate we get this alarmist screed claiming, over the course of 1200 pages, that weather is climate.

Not only that, but as the globe has warmed over the last 150 years -- saving us from the famine, pestilence and death of the Little Ice Age -- statistics show that drought, hurricanes, floods and other extreme weather is actually declining.

I am still not sure if Obama is a complete and utter liar or if, in cases like this, he is just too stupid know the difference.
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I can help with that. He simply doesnt care. He is looking to gin up a political battle that can be used in the 2016 election. Then dump the responsibility for it on everyone else as he sails off into the sunset. Want to see the playbook? Look at the last 4 years of the Clinton administration. Talk...talk...talk...threat...blame...bail. Then the very very very commited global warmists fell from the sky decrying George Bush and his failure to pass Kyoto...a document forged in 1996.

Its just too easy. This is a campaign piece...nothing more. Nothing will be done and the democrats will blame the complete failure and inaction of the entire administration on the republicans and it will used as a keystone of the 2016 campaign. When Hilary is elected (my prediction) global warming will go back on the shelf again.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Exactly, and this goes for anyone getting government grants for research. It just so happens that our government and governments around the world want climate change to be man made so they can further control people and regulate businesses. Honestly I don't even believe these so called environmental scientists even believe in AGW - they just pretend they do because it's their money, job and standing within the scientific community amongst their peers (who play ball with the government) that entices them to go "with the flow" or continue with the propaganda.
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Yep! They're scamming us and laughing all the way to the bank.
 
This thread is an example of how people who haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about are completely unaware of their own ignorance. A lot of this is covered in basic science 101 classes you take in high school and college. Most of the other "complaints" are covered in very, very basic climate science that nobody is even disputing. Though I do see right-wing propaganda sites spreading the age old "common sense" idea of "the climate is always changing and climate scientists just don't get it", this is the silliest notion that I see crop up over and over and over. Yes of course the climate is always changing, they take that into account of course. It would be like asking an engineer if they have taken load into account while building a bridge.

When will people learn that things are not the way they think they are. You have to carefully study an issue to understand the true nature of it. It would be like if I went up to a construction site and decided I know how things should probably be done just by using common sense. I might get some stuff right but I would end up being very, very wrong about many things, disastrously. Why do people think they understand climate and science just because?
 
VanceMack said:
I can help with that. He simply doesnt care. He is looking to gin up a political battle that can be used in the 2016 election. Then dump the responsibility for it on everyone else as he sails off into the sunset. Want to see the playbook? Look at the last 4 years of the Clinton administration. Talk...talk...talk...threat...blame...bail. Then the very very very commited global warmists fell from the sky decrying George Bush and his failure to pass Kyoto...a document forged in 1996.

Its just too easy. This is a campaign piece...nothing more. Nothing will be done and the democrats will blame the complete failure and inaction of the entire administration on the republicans and it will used as a keystone of the 2016 campaign. When Hilary is elected (my prediction) global warming will go back on the shelf again.
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A lot of these ideas such as AGW, racism, inequality and "the war on everything" are just detractors or made up ideas do fool the US populace into paying attention to those issues instead of Obama and progressive failure in general.

To go even a bit deeper into the issue, I firmly believe progressives manifest these "social issues" just to keep the progressive party alive - real or not - they have no intent to solve any of those issues, because those issues are nothing more than job security for them and their party.

Progressives thrive on injustice and tragedy (weather its environment or social) - weather these ideas or issues are real, exaggerated or just blatant lies....

Democrats wouldn't have a party if they didn't continually try to brainwash people with AGW or that climate change is bad or we live in a racist world or the poor (who have internet, Ipods, Iphones, good food etc) were being abused.

I know I went a little off topic but I suppose all those ideas are connected.
 
Verax said:
This thread is an example of how people who haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about are completely unaware of their own ignorance. A lot of this is covered in basic science 101 classes you take in high school and college. Most of the other "complaints" are covered in very, very basic climate science that nobody is even disputing. Though I do see right-wing propaganda sites spreading the age old "common sense" idea of "the climate is always changing and climate scientists just don't get it", this is the silliest notion that I see crop up over and over and over. Yes of course the climate is always changing, they take that into account of course. It would be like asking an engineer if they have taken load into account while building a bridge.

When will people learn that things are not the way they think they are. You have to carefully study an issue to understand the true nature of it. It would be like if I went up to a construction site and decided I know how things should probably be done just by using common sense. I might get some stuff right but I would end up being very, very wrong about many things, disastrously. Why do people think they understand climate and science just because?
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The ignorant ones are the individuals (I use that term here loosely here) who don't ask questions or question anything and just accept what they're told and do as they're told.

That is real ignorance.

Our society exists because the so called "ignorant" ones DID ask questions and challenged the status quo.

What do you think society would look like if people didn't question what was allegedly known previously as "common knowledge?"
 
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Boo Radley said:
There's a saying that a little bit of information is dangerous. You anti science folks always cling to little bits without digging even a little further.
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And you alarmists are projecting your own rot onto us skeptics again. Wind has a bigger effect on Arctic ice extent than temperatures and are probably a bigger factor in ice extent declines there, but that isn't mentioned.

The take home messages is that while the increase in total Antarctic sea ice area is relatively minor compared to the Arctic
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No, the Antarctic gains nearly offset the Arctic losses on the average. Looking at 2014 in particular, the Arctic had lost 0.75 million sq km compared to the 1981 to 2010 average and the Antarctic gained 1.45 million sq km.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global-snow/2014/1
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
Obama desperately wants to change the subject from the economy and Benghazi so it's time to sound the climate alarm.
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Benghazi happened in the midst of a secret CIA mission. They usually don't talk about those things, and if a President - ANY President - were to do so, I'd worry about his fitness for the job. Have you ever asked why that city was lousy with CIA operatives? Or what the ambassador was doing there?

The only reason Benghazi is still in the news is because of the RW blogosphere who are making a pre-emptive strike against Clinton. If the Republican party wins in 2016, you'll never hear about it again. Because they know that it was a CIA thing. They know the CIA doesn't talk, and they don't actually want the CIA to start talking.

Now, the topic of the post - as far as climate change goes, the evidence certainly points to the climate changing. The question is why? Is it people, or is it natural? Climate changes, that's just how it is. The best thing I can think to do is to plant more trees. Even if climate change isn't caused by people, they pump out oxygen (which is good no matter what your political opinion) and they look nice.
 
Verax said:
This thread is an example of how people who haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about are completely unaware of their own ignorance. A lot of this is covered in basic science 101 classes you take in high school and college. Most of the other "complaints" are covered in very, very basic climate science that nobody is even disputing. Though I do see right-wing propaganda sites spreading the age old "common sense" idea of "the climate is always changing and climate scientists just don't get it", this is the silliest notion that I see crop up over and over and over. Yes of course the climate is always changing, they take that into account of course. It would be like asking an engineer if they have taken load into account while building a bridge.

When will people learn that things are not the way they think they are. You have to carefully study an issue to understand the true nature of it. It would be like if I went up to a construction site and decided I know how things should probably be done just by using common sense. I might get some stuff right but I would end up being very, very wrong about many things, disastrously. Why do people think they understand climate and science just because?
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This is nothing more than an appeal to authority. Don't try to bull**** people and mystify science. The science is easily understood by those who try.
 
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apdst said:
Yep! They're scamming us and laughing all the way to the bank.
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The interesting part is what does that say about them. If they take that position they're a disgrace to science and conspirators and propagandists.

I suppose money sometimes can be the root of all evil.

It's not exactly like professionals haven't blatantly lied for money in the past.

I don't believe in censoring these liars but I wish people would be more skeptical and just not blindly accept what they're told just because some government endorsed "scientist" makes a claim.

Truth is a lot of the sheeple in the United States will believe anything just as long as they believe the person or entity telling them is smarter or more educated than they are.

A lot of people just think; "hey I'm a layman and this guy has a degree and is a scientist therefor he must be right because I'm too stupid to even understand his field of study." So they trust and defend without knowing the intent of the alleged "superior" scientists (or politicians or anyone who seems to be in a position of authority).
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

LowDown said:
And you alarmists are projecting your own rot onto us skeptics again. Wind has a bigger effect on Arctic ice extent than temperatures and are probably a bigger factor in ice extent declines there, but that isn't mentioned.



No, the Antarctic gains nearly offset the Arctic losses on the average. Looking at 2014 in particular, the Arctic had lost 0.75 million sq km compared to the 1981 to 2010 average and the Antarctic gained 1.45 million sq km.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global-snow/2014/1
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Indeed. The major ice loss in 2007 that triggered the false alarm of an iceless pole was in fact due to wind.

Here is an animated GIF of the ice loss event
 
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rocket88 said:
Benghazi happened in the midst of a secret CIA mission. They usually don't talk about those things, and if a President - ANY President - were to do so, I'd worry about his fitness for the job. Have you ever asked why that city was lousy with CIA operatives? Or what the ambassador was doing there?

The only reason Benghazi is still in the news is because of the RW blogosphere who are making a pre-emptive strike against Clinton. If the Republican party wins in 2016, you'll never hear about it again. Because they know that it was a CIA thing. They know the CIA doesn't talk, and they don't actually want the CIA to start talking.

Now, the topic of the post - as far as climate change goes, the evidence certainly points to the climate changing. The question is why? Is it people, or is it natural? Climate changes, that's just how it is. The best thing I can think to do is to plant more trees. Even if climate change isn't caused by people, they pump out oxygen (which is good no matter what your political opinion) and they look nice.
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Benghazi is in the news because the United States did nothing to protect our diplomats and fellow US citizens at that compound and the official response to that terrorist attack was because "it was over a movie."

That's something you tell a 10-year-old - NOT intelligent citizens who damn well knew it was NOT over a movie - a movie which no one has ever heard of and a movie which no one has even seen - a movie which was far below a "low budget production" to boot.

We had the capability to save those people and we didn't - it was Hillary's job to save people in a situation like that and she failed and then she lied.

Hillary failed at her job - if she only told the truth this wouldn't be a "scandal."

The best part is that allegedly Hillary told one of the fathers of the victims that she was going to "arrest" the film maker for making that movie..... That just goes to show how delusional that bitch really is considering the Fist Amendment never even crossed her mind when she made the alleged statement.

Our government is infested with liars, tyrants and others who have complete contempt for the USA, our society and economic model presently.

Drop republican vs democrat or however you view the political landscape and open your eyes and judge not based on politics but on actions (or lackof in this case).
 
Verax said:
This thread is an example of how people who haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about are completely unaware of their own ignorance. A lot of this is covered in basic science 101 classes you take in high school and college. Most of the other "complaints" are covered in very, very basic climate science that nobody is even disputing. Though I do see right-wing propaganda sites spreading the age old "common sense" idea of "the climate is always changing and climate scientists just don't get it", this is the silliest notion that I see crop up over and over and over. Yes of course the climate is always changing, they take that into account of course. It would be like asking an engineer if they have taken load into account while building a bridge.

When will people learn that things are not the way they think they are. You have to carefully study an issue to understand the true nature of it. It would be like if I went up to a construction site and decided I know how things should probably be done just by using common sense. I might get some stuff right but I would end up being very, very wrong about many things, disastrously. Why do people think they understand climate and science just because?
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Global warming is a scam; probably the biggest government scam in American history.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Benghazi is in the news because the United States did nothing to protect our diplomats and fellow US citizens at that compound and the official response to that terrorist attack was because "it was over a movie."

That's something you tell a 10-year-old - NOT intelligent citizens who damn well knew it was NOT over a movie - a movie which no one has ever heard of and a movie which no one has even seen - a movie which was far below a "low budget production" to boot.

We had the capability to save those people and we didn't - it was Hillary's job to save people in a situation like that and she failed and then she lied.

Hillary failed at her job - if she only told the truth this wouldn't be a "scandal."

The best part is that allegedly Hillary told one of the fathers of the victims that she was going to "arrest" the film maker for making that movie..... That just goes to show how delusional that bitch really is considering the Fist Amendment never even crossed her mind when she made the alleged statement.

Our government is infested with liars, tyrants and others who have complete contempt for the USA, our society and economic model presently.

Drop republican vs democrat or however you view the political landscape and open your eyes and judge not based on politics but on actions (or lackof in this case).
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I never said anything about a movie, but go ahead and trot out the strawman.

Any 10 year old could tell you that the CIA doesn't go around talking about secret operations. Benghazi was crawling with CIA, you do the math.

As far as R vs. D, they both care just as much about making hay over something and then leaving it be. They don't care about the truth, and I guarantee you won't hear a peep about Benghazi after the GOP wins the WH again.
 
apdst said:
Global warming is a scam; probably the biggest government scam in American history.
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Nah, Social Security still has it beat.
 
apdst said:
Global warming is a scam; probably the biggest government scam in American history.
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Exactly, and the idiots in the United States will let the government do whatever they want just as long as it's to prevent "global warming." Of course they do all this by blaming global warming on man which gives them opportunity to steal money from businesses via regulations and control the peoples actions.

These assclowns have been so great at it they've created an entire industry ruled by totalitarian lunatics.
 
So much time is wasted on this. A world-wide pandemic will wipe out the human race long before natural warming of the earth will.

But there are taxes to be exacted, and political power to be seized.
 
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rocket88 said:
I never said anything about a movie, but go ahead and trot out the strawman.

Any 10 year old could tell you that the CIA doesn't go around talking about secret operations. Benghazi was crawling with CIA, you do the math.

As far as R vs. D, they both care just as much about making hay over something and then leaving it be. They don't care about the truth, and I guarantee you won't hear a peep about Benghazi after the GOP wins the WH again.
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Dude, both Hillary and Obama blamed it on a movie - not to mention the entire progressive "clan" blamed it on a movie shortly after those two idiots placed the blame on the move...

Don't even sit here and pretend Hillery, Obama and Biden (among other Washington elite) didn't blame it on a movie because that would be a straight up lie.
 
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