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Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous

I seriously thought this tread was going to be about the MT judge that did this last summer. The state supreme court recently threw out the 30 day sentence this guy originally got.

article said:
A Montana judge has come under fire after handing down a 30-day sentence to a former high school teacher convicted of raping a 14-year-old student and for making statements in court that the victim was "older than her chronological age" and "as much in control of the situation" as her teacher.

Judge in rape case criticized for light sentence, remarks about victim - Los Angeles Times

IMO this is worse than what happened in Texas. The guy was a teacher in his late 40's/early 50's when he had sex with a 14yo student, she committed suicide a few years later.
 

Its **** like this why I support mandatory sentencing. This is a slam dunk case, the judge should have thrown the book at him.Not go oh the girl is a hoe so I will give the rapist a slap on the wrist.

Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous - CNN.com
Allen further claimed that the victim had agreed to have sex with Young, just not on campus, and "upon making this bad judgment, he admitted that he proceeded over her objections to stop, and he admitted that to the police."
 
Its **** like this why I support mandatory sentencing. This is a slam dunk case, the judge should have thrown the book at him.Not go oh the girl is a hoe so I will give the rapist a slap on the wrist.

Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous - CNN.com
Allen further claimed that the victim had agreed to have sex with Young, just not on campus, and "upon making this bad judgment, he admitted that he proceeded over her objections to stop, and he admitted that to the police."

Gee I dunno about this one. I know as I'm sure all of us are that at that age both male and female our hormones are raging and we are NOT in control. Hell, we barely know anything about sex, and what we do know usually comes from peers who are equally ignorant, or the internet which is full of the "wrong kind of sexual message". The kid seemed to admit his guilt, but in the judges opinion there was some culpability on the part of the victim, and why not. This whole narrative about women/girls not being responsible for unwanted advances is a diluted circumstantial argument. There are several ways in which a young lady (even if she says no) can avoid putting themselves in these kinds of situations, and sadly that is not reinforced by parents, and or schools often enough. The youth culture today is very reminiscent of the culture of the 60's. Free love, I can do whatever I want and shame.. What shame, what is shame should I feel it. Girl's that lost their virginity when I was a teenage were shamed, shunned and outcasts. Today, they are even celebrated by our media, and pop-culture. We have no coherent message from the adults in charge as to how we should behave when young adults.

The judge, judged this one as she saw it. Without knowing the full details of the testimony it seems disingenuous to form a static opinion on the circumstances surrounding this particular event. If the guy was an adult, and the girl a teenager my opinion would be more staunch in favor of harsher penalties, but in this case, although still light on sentencing, I am willing to defer to the people that were in the room.


Tim-
 
Promiscuity does not mean rape isn't possible. What a terrible judge. 20 years maybe a little too much considering the circumstances but 45 days? really? 45? The best you can do?!?!?

The only time I wouldn't sympathize at all with a rape victim is in the case of prostitution.
 
It is clear that this judge based her opinion on personal bias and how she felt about the girl's character and personal choices. In other wards, she was promiscuous so it wasn't as big of a deal for her to be raped. ..which is of course (to any rational person) absurd.
 
Gee I dunno about this one. I know as I'm sure all of us are that at that age both male and female our hormones are raging and we are NOT in control. Hell, we barely know anything about sex, and what we do know usually comes from peers who are equally ignorant, or the internet which is full of the "wrong kind of sexual message".

Irrelevant.This is a rape case.

The kid seemed to admit his guilt,

He didn't "seem" to admit his guilt.He actually did admitted to it.

but in the judges opinion there was some culpability on the part of the victim, and why not. This whole narrative about women/girls not being responsible for unwanted advances is a diluted circumstantial argument. There are several ways in which a young lady (even if she says no) can avoid putting themselves in these kinds of situations, and sadly that is not reinforced by parents, and or schools often enough. The youth culture today is very reminiscent of the culture of the 60's. Free love, I can do whatever I want and shame.. What shame, what is shame should I feel it. Girl's that lost their virginity when I was a teenage were shamed, shunned and outcasts. Today, they are even celebrated by our media, and pop-culture. We have no coherent message from the adults in charge as to how we should behave when young adults.

Whether or not the girl was promiscuous with other individuals at some other point in time irrelevant in his this case due to the fact the rapist admitted the girl said no. This isn't a he said she said case where the girl is saying he raped her and the guy is saying no he didn't rape her and they are trying to see who is more trustworthy as to whose testimony should be believed over the other.

The judge, judged this one as she saw it. Without knowing the full details of the testimony it seems disingenuous to form a static opinion on the circumstances surrounding this particular even.

The judge is a ****en twit who has no business being a judge.

t. If the guy was an adult, and the girl a teenager my opinion would be more staunch in favor of harsher penalties, but in this case, although still light on sentencing, I am willing to defer to the people that were in the room.

18 years old is an adult.
Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous - CNN.com
"What we have here is an 18-year-old high school student who was very talented, very gifted," Allen said, adding that Young had scholarship offers from a "couple of universities."
 
Irrelevant.This is a rape case.



He didn't "seem" to admit his guilt.He actually did admitted to it.



Whether or not the girl was promiscuous with other individuals at some other point in time irrelevant in his this case due to the fact the rapist admitted the girl said no. This isn't a he said she said case where the girl is saying he raped her and the guy is saying no he didn't rape her and they are trying to see who is more trustworthy as to whose testimony should be believed over the other.



The judge is a ****en twit who has no business being a judge.



18 years old is an adult.
Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous - CNN.com
"What we have here is an 18-year-old high school student who was very talented, very gifted," Allen said, adding that Young had scholarship offers from a "couple of universities."


Dude, I get why some think more harshly of the judge than others. I get that.. All I'm saying is that 18 yes is an adult legally, but we both know that at 18 you're a very young adult; at the mercy of your hormones and large degrees of stupid. I conceded that the sentence was light, even for me, but I can understand a scenario whereby someone really just made a huge mistake, recognized it, owned up to it, and a judge felt that they were sincere. I also see where a judge "might" not necessarily sympathize with a victim. Dude, I was accused of rape once, and to me (but apparently not her) the sex was consensual. I almost lost my job over it. I prevailed because I had plenty of witnesses that stood by my story. We were both very drunk, didn't know each other, young, and we had what I thought was consensual sex. She woke up, and didn't see it that way. The story for me bore out that we met, had plenty of people around us, and we were all drinking heavily. We danced, kissed, grinded you name it. We went back to the hotel, and even with her room-mate in the room we had sex. Room mate stuck up for me, she stated that her room-mate instigated the sexual activity (She heard her say "who cares if she's in the room", obviously replying to my objection) but think about what would have happened if I had no witnesses? I would be a sex offender (literally) and the title would not be deserved.

Is it here? Maybe.. But I wasn't in the court room. I didn't hear what the judge heard. The kid admitted to having sex with her when she said no. I wouldn't have done that, nor would any descent man, but a boy who misread signals and then commands to stop did do it. Does it make him a sex offender? I dunno, I'm not sure.


Tim-
 
What do you care?

You are already on record stating that politics are more important than allegations of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment.

That's just crazy Where did you come up with that
 
That's just crazy Where did you come up with that
In the thread where you readily admitted you dont CARE about what brought about the allegations and revelations re Clinton/Lewinsky. Like I said in THAT thread...THATS going to be the comical dance and bi-product of blindly supporting people that knowingly lie to cover instances of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment and willful destruction of anyone and everyone EXCEPT the guy that was perpetrating the deeds.
 
What do you care?

You are already on record stating that politics are more important than allegations of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment.

Where did you come up with your claims Vance? Please demonstrate.
 
They can, I simply have no sympathy. Do not misunderstand me.

Not sure how you can have sympathy for a promiscuous girl who is raped but not for a raped prostitute, since money is not a factor in either case. Rape is rape no matter who it happens to.

Frankly, many acts of prostitution are technically rape already, since many prostitutes do not want to be in that line of work and are forced into it by violence or poverty. I feel a good deal of sympathy for them.
 
Watching this on CNN right now and one of the commentators - Sunny Hostin, a former prosecutor of sexual offenders - felt the sentence was right. She cited the fact that the kid admitted his guilt the day of the incident and was apparently contrite. She also noted that registering as a sex offender for the rest of one's life is a pretty harsh punishment in and of itself.

She also thought the community service at a rape crisis center was sensible and likened it to drunk drivers being forced to confront victims of drunk driving.

I don't often agree with her and while I'm not sure about the last she seems on target otherwise.

Rapists absolutely should have to register as a sex offender for life and I don't give a **** how sorry they are.
 
Gee I dunno about this one. I know as I'm sure all of us are that at that age both male and female our hormones are raging and we are NOT in control. Hell, we barely know anything about sex, and what we do know usually comes from peers who are equally ignorant, or the internet which is full of the "wrong kind of sexual message". The kid seemed to admit his guilt, but in the judges opinion there was some culpability on the part of the victim, and why not. This whole narrative about women/girls not being responsible for unwanted advances is a diluted circumstantial argument. There are several ways in which a young lady (even if she says no) can avoid putting themselves in these kinds of situations, and sadly that is not reinforced by parents, and or schools often enough. The youth culture today is very reminiscent of the culture of the 60's. Free love, I can do whatever I want and shame.. What shame, what is shame should I feel it. Girl's that lost their virginity when I was a teenage were shamed, shunned and outcasts. Today, they are even celebrated by our media, and pop-culture. We have no coherent message from the adults in charge as to how we should behave when young adults.

The judge, judged this one as she saw it. Without knowing the full details of the testimony it seems disingenuous to form a static opinion on the circumstances surrounding this particular event. If the guy was an adult, and the girl a teenager my opinion would be more staunch in favor of harsher penalties, but in this case, although still light on sentencing, I am willing to defer to the people that were in the room.


Tim-

Yeah man tell us more about how it's her fault she was raped. Bitch had it coming, right? What, with having sex with other people before and all.
 
Gee I dunno about this one. I know as I'm sure all of us are that at that age both male and female our hormones are raging and we are NOT in control. Hell, we barely know anything about sex, and what we do know usually comes from peers who are equally ignorant, or the internet which is full of the "wrong kind of sexual message". The kid seemed to admit his guilt, but in the judges opinion there was some culpability on the part of the victim, and why not. This whole narrative about women/girls not being responsible for unwanted advances is a diluted circumstantial argument. There are several ways in which a young lady (even if she says no) can avoid putting themselves in these kinds of situations, and sadly that is not reinforced by parents, and or schools often enough. The youth culture today is very reminiscent of the culture of the 60's. Free love, I can do whatever I want and shame.. What shame, what is shame should I feel it. Girl's that lost their virginity when I was a teenage were shamed, shunned and outcasts. Today, they are even celebrated by our media, and pop-culture. We have no coherent message from the adults in charge as to how we should behave when young adults.

The judge, judged this one as she saw it. Without knowing the full details of the testimony it seems disingenuous to form a static opinion on the circumstances surrounding this particular event. If the guy was an adult, and the girl a teenager my opinion would be more staunch in favor of harsher penalties, but in this case, although still light on sentencing, I am willing to defer to the people that were in the room.


Tim-

Oh please - it's not a matter of 'did he rape her - did he not?' . . . His guilt is not in question. Yes: he raped her and was convicted. (There was a sentencing)

The judge went soft and then - when community service at a rape prevention crisis center was turned down by the common sense people at the crisis center the judge just shrugged and pretty much said she didn't care with her actions.

And even if that weren't the case: you're attempt to brush off a rape as 'raging hormones that the male cannot control' is disgusting.
 
I taught my boys anything but an unequivocal yes means no. Better to err on the safe side. It's not like finding a willing partner is overly difficult.
 
There are several ways in which a young lady (even if she says no) can avoid putting themselves in these kinds of situations,
How, by not going to school? Why the hell should girls have to worry about getting raped at school? Your blame the victim mentality makes me sick.

The guy is a ****ing scumbag who raped a 14 year old girl at school. He deserves the death penalty IMO.

And the judge is a typical idiot coddle the criminal and blame the victim Democrat.
 
Gee I dunno about this one. I know as I'm sure all of us are that at that age both male and female our hormones are raging and we are NOT in control. Hell, we barely know anything about sex, and what we do know usually comes from peers who are equally ignorant, or the internet which is full of the "wrong kind of sexual message". The kid seemed to admit his guilt, but in the judges opinion there was some culpability on the part of the victim, and why not. This whole narrative about women/girls not being responsible for unwanted advances is a diluted circumstantial argument. There are several ways in which a young lady (even if she says no) can avoid putting themselves in these kinds of situations, and sadly that is not reinforced by parents, and or schools often enough. The youth culture today is very reminiscent of the culture of the 60's. Free love, I can do whatever I want and shame.. What shame, what is shame should I feel it. Girl's that lost their virginity when I was a teenage were shamed, shunned and outcasts. Today, they are even celebrated by our media, and pop-culture. We have no coherent message from the adults in charge as to how we should behave when young adults.

The judge, judged this one as she saw it. Without knowing the full details of the testimony it seems disingenuous to form a static opinion on the circumstances surrounding this particular event. If the guy was an adult, and the girl a teenager my opinion would be more staunch in favor of harsher penalties, but in this case, although still light on sentencing, I am willing to defer to the people that were in the room.


Tim-

do you give money to charity? If so then if I rob you you don't have an argument I mean you gave it away before right?
 
How, by not going to school? Why the hell should girls have to worry about getting raped at school? Your blame the victim mentality makes me sick.

The guy is a ****ing scumbag who raped a 14 year old girl at school. He deserves the death penalty IMO.

And the judge is a typical idiot coddle the criminal and blame the victim Democrat.

It is laughable that you think it is typical of Democrats to be anti-Woman in matters of rape, when it is Republicans who have repeatedly expressed the anti-Woman rationales that this Judge used. She just happens to be a Democrat. Get real. This isn't about politics.
 
Not bizarre. Typical for konservative communities.
Dallas is not even close to being a conservative community. And the judge is a typical liberal Democrat.
 
It is laughable that you think it is typical of Democrats to be anti-Woman in matters of rape, when it is Republicans who have repeatedly expressed the anti-Woman rationales that this Judge used. She just happens to be a Democrat. Get real.
Wrong! Quit letting the lamestream media brainwash you into thinking there is a Republican "war on women". It's a totally fictitious mantra meant to brainwash the gullible. Don't drink the kool-aid.

This isn't about politics.
It most certainly is about politics. The judge is a typical big city Democrat who believes in coddling the most heinous violent sociopaths to leave room for victimless "criminals" like pot smokers who have harmed nobody in the prison system.
 
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...nsky-breaks-her-silence-4.html#post1063244700

Face it...you guys have three years of this staring at you. You cant have it both ways.

That's pretty lame Vance. You ask me if I give a **** why Lewinsky comes out and says what we already know yesterday. I say no, and you get to here? Really?

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What do you care?

You are already on record stating that politics are more important than allegations of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment.
 
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