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Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

MaggieD said:
I want to know if this kid was on psychotropic drugs and what his status was in that regard. Just stopped them? Just started them? What's different today?
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You want to know what is different today. The problem is our school systems have become feminized to the point that typical boy behavior is looked down on. Boys are told that acting like boys is criminal. Many of the teachers are female and simply do not want to deal with boy's and their normal boy behavior. So instead of doing what teachers have done for hundreds of years and learn how to teach boys, they would rather medicate them. The made up diagnosis of ADD has been the most damaging thing to ever happen to boys in the school system.
 
TheNextEra said:
I sometimes wonder about the so called "need" for the medication. Why is it that people grew up just fine without it and now it seems many parents want to "medicate" their children?
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Nowadays we have more knowledge both about the nature of these disorders and how to treat them.

Also, I too wouldn't go blaming the meds.
 
jmotivator said:
It's one of those paradoxes that aren't so paradoxical when you realize what is going on. Why do people have an increased suicide risk (or other anti-social behavior) while on Anti-Depressants? Because anti-depressants do very little to remove the bad thoughts of the person, it just numbs their emotions. People still contemplate suicide while on anti-depressants, they just are less afraid to follow through.
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This is entirely inaccurate. There is no causal link between anti-depressant use and increased suicidality. What occurs with anti-depressant use is this. When one first starts the medication, they will often become activated. This is BEFORE the full anti-depressant effect occurs. During the time of activation, but before the reduction in depression, if there was any suicidality, it is then more likely that the patient will act. They were already suicidal, but with the medication, more activated and, therefore, more likely to act on this. This is why when a patient goes on an anti-depressant, it is important to increase monitoring for the first few weeks.
 
jmotivator said:
Suicide rates increase in children on antidepressants with the majority of suicides and attempts coming in the first year of going on medication. This is found to be the case for all antidepressants.
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VERY poor study that doesn't measure what it claims. In order to make the claim that they do, they would have to have a control group, showing how many people NOT on anti-depressants attempted or committed suicide. They didn't do that. Therefore, the study is pretty meaningless.

Now, what they actually found is that after the black box warnings, prescriptions for anti-depressants for youths went down by 22% (US and Netherlands) and suicide rates for youths went UP by 49% (Netherlands) and UP 14% (US). Seems to me that this points to the black box warnings being idiotic and doing the opposite of what they intended.

Early evidence on the effects of regulators'... [Am J Psychiatry. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI
 
Verax said:
Of all the millions of kids in the U.S., some of them are going to be misfits. Some people are just screwed up from nature and or nurture. We can try and not aggravate them, have the best mental health system we can, but in the end there will always be outliers that are just a ticking time bomb lurking in the shadows.
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Oftentimes, it is how the 'misfits' are treated that makes them hostile and desire revenge. Bullying and abusing those 'different'

It's not an excuse for their actions (or plans) tho. Plenty of 'misfits' go on to be more successful in life, or deal with things in a different manner. You are not a 'loser' until you actually act on blaming other people for your problems and harm others.
 
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