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General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi

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This is a fundamental point that has been strangely ignored. It obviously bothered this General. At the start of the attack no one could know how long it would last, so it was impossible to claim there was not enough time to respond.:peace

General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi - Oren Dorell, USA Today

WASHINGTON — U.S. military personnel knew early on that the Benghazi attack was a "hostile action" and not a protest gone awry, according to a retired general who served at U.S. Africa Command's headquarters in Germany during the attack.
While the exact nature of the attack was not clear from the start, "what we did know early on was that this was a hostile action," retired Air Force brigadier general Robert Lovell said in his prepared statement Thursday morning to members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. "This was no demonstration gone terribly awry."
Lovell's testimony contradicts the story that the Obama administration gave in the early days following the Sept. 11, 2012, attacks on the U.S. Consulate that left four Americans dead, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. . . .
 
I'm no Obama hater. I do wish he'd at least tried. It bothers me. I coulda been the guy painting that target and hoping my sacrifice makes a difference for the others.
 
Damn right we should have tried; even if we KNEW there wasn't enough time to react.
 
They died because they were dealing with shady al Qaeda linked militants trying to smuggle kadaffis weapons into Syria. They did not die fighting for America, they died helping arm al Qaeda fighters in Syria.
Libyan weapons being smuggled into Syria, says UN | Firstpost
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/02/west-warns-smugglers-looting-libya-arms
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/w...rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-gun-running-qatar-libya-syria/5345464
 
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There was a response. They did try.
 
This is a fundamental point that has been strangely ignored. It obviously bothered this General. At the start of the attack no one could know how long it would last, so it was impossible to claim there was not enough time to respond.:peace

General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi - Oren Dorell, USA Today

WASHINGTON — U.S. military personnel knew early on that the Benghazi attack was a "hostile action" and not a protest gone awry, according to a retired general who served at U.S. Africa Command's headquarters in Germany during the attack.
While the exact nature of the attack was not clear from the start, "what we did know early on was that this was a hostile action," retired Air Force brigadier general Robert Lovell said in his prepared statement Thursday morning to members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. "This was no demonstration gone terribly awry."
Lovell's testimony contradicts the story that the Obama administration gave in the early days following the Sept. 11, 2012, attacks on the U.S. Consulate that left four Americans dead, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. . . .

I believe that is the main reason people can't seem to let go of this problem - although I'm certain the administration wishes they would. When an Ambassador is basically told "you're on your own," it makes an average person wonder how valuable their own life might be to the government, and that hits too close to home for many people!

Good evening, Jack. :2wave:
 
I believe that is the main reason people can't seem to let go of this problem - although I'm certain the administration wishes they would. When an Ambassador is basically told "you're on your own," it makes an average person wonder how valuable their own life might be to the government, and that hits too close to home for many people!

Good evening, Jack. :2wave:

That's not what happened.
 
They could have at least tried. The fact they didn't is daunting. It should haunt hilda for it explains exactly what kind of leadership she'd exert - the kind that maintains her public profile over all else.


I'm no Obama hater. I do wish he'd at least tried. It bothers me. I coulda been the guy painting that target and hoping my sacrifice makes a difference for the others.
 
Did someone utter the words to him - no - does that mean it didn't happen? Its exactly WHAT DID happen.

No, it's not. There was no "stand down" order.
 
I believe that is the main reason people can't seem to let go of this problem - although I'm certain the administration wishes they would. When an Ambassador is basically told "you're on your own," it makes an average person wonder how valuable their own life might be to the government, and that hits too close to home for many people!

Good evening, Jack. :2wave:
Where did you get that BS? Are you more concerned with greeting Jack than with the truth?
 
They could have at least tried. The fact they didn't is daunting. It should haunt hilda for it explains exactly what kind of leadership she'd exert - the kind that maintains her public profile over all else.

I think Hillary is a hawk. I don't think she had direct control.
 
I think Hillary is a hawk. I don't think she had direct control.

Hillary Clinton is not a general. I'm not sure what "direct control" people think she would have had over anything that night.
 
I believe that is the main reason people can't seem to let go of this problem - although I'm certain the administration wishes they would. When an Ambassador is basically told "you're on your own," it makes an average person wonder how valuable their own life might be to the government, and that hits too close to home for many people!

Good evening, Jack. :2wave:

And since that Ambassador was not in a US embassy AND turned down a offer of more security probably because the CIA did not want their cover blown, it is all Obama's fault? This was a CIA screwup and why should we be surprised at that? Bush gave them all got raises after they allowed the 911 attack and the Medal of Freedom to the CIA head after he called the presence of WMD's in the Iraq a "slam dunk". They are rewarded for failure and now that is all they can do.
 
I believe that is the main reason people can't seem to let go of this problem - although I'm certain the administration wishes they would. When an Ambassador is basically told "you're on your own," it makes an average person wonder how valuable their own life might be to the government, and that hits too close to home for many people!

Good evening, Jack. :2wave:

Good evening, Polgara.:2wave:

As I posted at the time, there was a "Roland at the Bridge" quality to the episode that gave it a sad nobility. This General obviously felt like they let people down.:peace
 
They died because they were dealing with shady al Qaeda linked militants trying to smuggle kadaffis weapons into Syria. They did not die fighting for America, they died helping arm al Qaeda fighters in Syria.
Libyan weapons being smuggled into Syria, says UN | Firstpost
Libya warned smugglers are looting Gaddafi's guns | World news | The Guardian
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/w...rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html?pagewanted=all
CIA Gun-running, Qatar-Libya-Syria. | Global Research

Completely false.:peace
 
And since that Ambassador was not in a US embassy AND turned down a offer of more security probably because the CIA did not want their cover blown, it is all Obama's fault? This was a CIA screwup and why should we be surprised at that? Bush gave them all got raises after they allowed the 911 attack and the Medal of Freedom to the CIA head after he called the presence of WMD's in the Iraq a "slam dunk". They are rewarded for failure and now that is all they can do.

Completely false.:peace
 
They died because they were dealing with shady al Qaeda linked militants trying to smuggle kadaffis weapons into Syria. They did not die fighting for America, they died helping arm al Qaeda fighters in Syria.
Libyan weapons being smuggled into Syria, says UN | Firstpost
Libya warned smugglers are looting Gaddafi's guns | World news | The Guardian
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/w...rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html?pagewanted=all
CIA Gun-running, Qatar-Libya-Syria. | Global Research

And that is why we let them die?

I will grant you the whole mess stinks from one end to the other, too m any questions and too much ass covering and media manipulation for there not to be some hinkiness.

But the issue here is the Obama administration's and Hillary Clinton's responsibility to have done everything possible to protect the lives of those serving the United States of America in foreign lands.

Just like that sewage on puke Jimmy Carter left the bodies to American soldiers to rot and be desecrated in a middle east desert, this brand of Democrats is willing to sacrifice lives in order to protect it's slime ridden, lie infested reputations. "What difference, at this point, does it make doesn't cut it. Standing over the bodies of the fallen and knowingly lie about a spontaneous demonstration is right out of the gutter.

This administration has no moral compass, no world view, only self preservation as a motivator.
 
And since that Ambassador was not in a US embassy AND turned down a offer of more security probably because the CIA did not want their cover blown, it is all Obama's fault? This was a CIA screwup and why should we be surprised at that? Bush gave them all got raises after they allowed the 911 attack and the Medal of Freedom to the CIA head after he called the presence of WMD's in the Iraq a "slam dunk". They are rewarded for failure and now that is all they can do.

You will have to supply a credible link on the bold.

And not being in an embassy is why no help was sent?

Democrats sure have flexible ethics. Now the government is exonerated for letting its public servants die a horrible death at the hands of spontaneous demonstrators, er, terrorists if they are not in an embassy.

I will inform the American tourists who come to Canada they may be shot and killed at any time and the United States government through the genius of Barrack Obama is completely powerless to help them; they are at the mercy of the rabble of baby seal killers who are right pissed off about the XL pipeline and ready to throw a spontaneous demonstration complete with grenade launchers and AK 47's.

And isn't the president responsible for the CIA? If it was them, why is he not investigating?

And, by the way, where is that promise from Obama that those responsible would be arrested and dealt with? What happened to the FBI agents he sent in there?
 
I did not say there was.
I did not say the words were uttered.
I said that is WHAT HAPPENED and unless you can show some sort of military action to defend those on the ground I would say its exactly what happened. And its exactly the way this regime acts - itself first above even life of others.


No, it's not. There was no "stand down" order.
 
Hillary Clinton is not a general. I'm not sure what "direct control" people think she would have had over anything that night.




How about a phone call on behalf of her staff, you know the one that got assassinated, to a general to make sure everything was being done?

How about taking responsibility for the mission, whatever it was, and coming clean about it, as opposed to the "what difference does it make" academy performance she gave?

How about getting honest?

These are all things that a cabinet secretary is sworn to do. She did not.

She lied, the employee for whom she was 100% responsible died.
 
No one is claiming there was a stand down order. His testimony was that there were no orders at all.:peace

Here is some of his testimony:

CONNELLY: I want to read to you the conclusion of the chairman of the [Armed Services] Committee, the Republican chairman Buck McKeon, who conducted formal briefings and oversaw that report he said quote "I'm pretty well satisfied that given where the troops were, how quickly the thing all happened, and how quickly it dissipated we probably couldn't have done much more than we did." Do you take issue with the chairman of the Armed Services Committee? In that conclusion?

LOVELL: His conclusion that he couldn't have done much more than they did with the capability and the way they executed it?

CONNELLY: Given the timeframe.

LOVELL: That's a fact.

CONNELLY: Okay.

LOVELL: The way it is right now. The way he stated it.

CONNELLY: Alright, because I'm sure you can appreciate, general, there might be some who, for various and sundry reasons would like to distort your testimony and suggest that you're testifying that we could have, should have done a lot more than we did because we had capabilities we simply didn't utilize. That is not your testimony?

LOVELL: That is not my testimony.

CONNELLY: I thank you very much, general.​

/Thread
 
You think if hilda had asked for military support it would have been denied? Really?

Hilda would throw obama right under the bus if that were true. I doubt the chosen one was awake when the decisions needed to be made - he had an early flight to his fundraiser in vegas.


I think Hillary is a hawk. I don't think she had direct control.
 
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