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Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

danarhea said:
Um, these militia members are NOT authorized by either the state or the county. They are insurgents, which need to be eliminated.
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It's still state/county property, which means it's outside the jurisdiction of the Feds.
 
Wiseone said:
Also, is it more ironic or sad that these folks who claim to want freedom are acting in exactly the manner of an authoritarian?
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Ask millions of Africans as well as a certain number of middle easterners: Militias very quickly become everything they claim to be against.
 
apdst said:
It's still state/county property, which means it's outside the jurisdiction of the Feds.
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Doesn't matter anymore. When insurgents rioted in Detroit in 1967, the National Guard was sent in. The National Guard can be sent into Nevada too. If they do, I hope they kill at least as many insurgents as they did in Detroit.
 
danarhea said:
Doesn't matter anymore. When insurgents rioted in Detroit in 1967, the National Guard was sent in. The National Guard can be sent into Nevada too. If they do, I hope they kill at least as many insurgents as they did in Detroit.
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Where's the riot? Aside from a few misdemeanors, what crime has been committed?
 
tecoyah said:
You can only Tease the Tiger for so long.....before it gets pissed and bites your arm off.
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And when they become one armed, they then blame the Tiger for taking the teasing too seriously.

FreedomFromAll said:
My constituents have expressed concern that members of these armed militia groups:

1. Have set up checkpoints where residents are required to prove they live in the area before being allowed to pass;
2. Have established a persistent presence along federal highways and state and county roads; and
3. Have established an armed presence in or around community areas including local churches, school, and other community locations.

We must respect individual constitutional liberties, but the residents of and visitors to Clark County should not be expected to live under the persistent watch of an armed militia. Their continual presence has made residents feel unsafe and maligned a quiet community’s peaceful reputation.
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Armed militias operating with out controls, setting up "security" check points to "protect the community". It sounds like Bosnia, Ivory Coast, Lebanon or Pakistan. Wait a minute....
 
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apdst said:
Where's the riot? Aside from a few misdemeanors, what crime has been committed?
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Using a gun to unlawfully detain a person is a felony in Nevada.
 
Hatuey said:
Mighty quiet in this thread...

.... none of the usual people screaming about the evul gubmit!

It must be hard to defend this guy. I mean, all the right wing heroes lately have turned out to be disappointing. The Gandhi-like woman beater that is George Zimmerman is nowhere to be seen. Rubio has dropped off the radar. Glenn Beck is ... pretending he's still important. The revolution leaders all seem to fizzle out and turn into embarrassment.
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Its not about 'this' guy. Its about federalism. Unlike 'very liberal' posters, we 'usual people' dont make everything personal.
 
Double post..
 
Wiseone said:
Uh... I don't think you'd get the chance, or survive the encounter at all, a few armed men surround your car and you opt to draw from probably the worst position possible?
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You think I would go there without a plan? I don't live in Nevada, the only reason I would be in the area is to provoke an armed confrontation. No, if I'm there, it's by design, and part of that design probably involves a bus, not a car, full of armed like-minded people.
 
Anyone have any video or images of them detaining people while pointing their guns?

The Federal and BLM response over these fees or turtles, especially the treatment of protesters, pointing guns and stating that they will fire was very heavy handed to me. It made me sympathetic to Bundy despite his being in the wrong legally speaking (state issues of Federal land ownership aside.) Then his racist comments made me less inclined to defend him or those who came to protect him from such heavy handed efforts. The fact that the NYT omitted his pro-hispanic and black comments softened that inclination....

But once you go "Papers please?" you've lost my support. That is no longer acting in defense.
 
Jerry said:
In all seriousness, if they stopped me, I would shoot them. I call on all residents so affected in that area to likewise take up arms and respell these 'militia'.
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Right, because violence is clearly solved by the application of more violence. Your solution to stop these people who think themselves above the law and everyone else is to act just like them. That's really the moral high ground.

Jerry said:
The militia isn't operating under orders from a 'proper authority', they are conducting illegal activity, and so this 'militia' is little better than gang members.
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Which is exactly what the armed "patriot" community is always saying it wants to do. It wants to attack the rest of the country to get its own way. This is that "second amendment solution" that we were threatened with.

PirateMk1 said:
Its one thing to tell the government to go pound sand and when they come to you to enforce their will you kick their butts. Its another thing entirely to be stopping people on the highway searching them ect. They are crossing a line they really shouldn't. The feds haven't tried in earnest to spill blood. No point in stopping innocents on the highway.
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Not really. Both are criminal and anarchist. Both destroy the rule of law for the personal gain of the people doing it. This is no different from how the mafia acts.

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This seems to me to be exactly what the armed fringe has been crying out for. This is that "second amendment solution" they were talking about, where people who don't like that they have to pay for the benefits we reap in this country wave their guns around and refuse to pay their taxes. They have taken over this area and are threatening innocent people with violence. These people, the supposed "patriots" who just "love freedom" are criminals. They want to use violence and force to control others. This is the culmination of all this pro-arms and anti-government nonsense. This is an attack on the fundamental rule of law by people who think their guns put them above it. The political engines that have been enabling and lauding this kind of behavior when it was hypothetical should be ashamed of what they have brought about.
 
Wiseone said:
Uh... I don't think you'd get the chance, or survive the encounter at all, a few armed men surround your car and you opt to draw from probably the worst position possible?
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Thats what the gas peddle is for.
 
Paschendale said:
....They have taken over this area and are threatening innocent people with violence....
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That's why I would act as I described, if so stopped at their checkpoint.

They are not a valid militia, they are a gang.
 
I'm rarely a fan of conspiracy theories, but I'm starting to wonder if this Cliven Bundy guy might not be an undercover agent. I mean, surely the militia type can't be this loco, right? ...right??
 
Lachean said:
Anyone have any video or images of them detaining people while pointing their guns?

The Federal and BLM response over these fees or turtles, especially the treatment of protesters, pointing guns and stating that they will fire was very heavy handed to me. It made me sympathetic to Bundy despite his being in the wrong legally speaking (state issues of Federal land ownership aside.) Then his racist comments made me less inclined to defend him or those who came to protect him from such heavy handed efforts. The fact that the NYT omitted his pro-hispanic and black comments softened that inclination....

But once you go "Papers please?" you've lost my support. That is no longer acting in defense.
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Post # 82 & 88.

Or, Google "Bundy militia stopping motorists" in the Google Image data base.
 
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apdst said:
It's still state/county property, which means it's outside the jurisdiction of the Feds.
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The federal government has the constitutional authority to suppress insurrection.
 
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