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Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

Is there any footage of the roadblocks? Not saying it isn't true...
 
"....we are not to pull over civilians without, you know, reasonable cause...."



There have been serious threats made already, including a bomb threat.

Making a police report or any other noticeable fuss may just get them killed.

No wonder why they aren't complaining.
 
Jerry said:
If an armed non-LEO civilian stops me under threat of lethal force, yes, that's exactly how it works.

These 'militia's are not militias no matter what they name themselves, since they don't have proper authority. They're just armed protesters, little better than street gangs.
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I totally agree they aren't legit at all in any sense of the word and should be busted up, but you can't take that authority into your own hands. You would be charged with murder if you knowingly sought out someone with the purpose of engaging them in a lethal exchange, even if you provoke them into attacking first or provoked them into trying to illegally detain you. At best you'd be charged with vigilantism, which is a crime, at at worst you could be charged with first degree murder because here you are conspiring to kill someone
 
Wiseone said:
I totally agree they aren't legit at all in any sense of the word and should be busted up, but you can't take that authority into your own hands. You would be charged with murder if you knowingly sought out someone with the purpose of engaging them in a lethal exchange, even if you provoke them into attacking first or provoked them into trying to illegally detain you. At best you'd be charged with vigilantism, which is a crime, at at worst you could be charged with first degree murder because here you are conspiring to kill someone
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I retain the right and authority to defend myself from illegitimate armed militia stopping me on the road. That is, in fact, the very reason why I carry in the first place. Road rage, gangs, riots...killing these people is why we have the 2nd Amendment; defending delinquent ranchers is not.
 
The political fall-out from these 'militia' is going to be huge. We can expect sweeping gun control after the election.
 
Wiseone said:
Concerns growing about militia members at Bundy ranch - 8 News NOW

So like I said in other topics about this developing story, its gone beyond the unpaid fees for gazing on Federal land and turned into a question of whether or not we are going to allow an active insurgency to operate within this country.

Also, is it more ironic or sad that these folks who claim to want freedom are acting in exactly the manner of an authoritarian?
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This country was created by an armed insurgency.
 
jonny5 said:
Case in point. More ad hominem attacks.
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That high horse is looking like a donkey without an argument. ;) When you're ready to tell us if you have a right to freeload, you're welcome to come back.
 
Jerry said:
I retain the right and authority to defend myself from illegitimate armed militia stopping me on the road. That is, in fact, the very reason why I carry in the first place. Road rage, gangs, riots...killing these people is why we have the 2nd Amendment; defending delinquent ranchers is not.
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You don't have the right to seek out and attempt to create a situation where you are compelled to kill someone to save your own life, thats what you're not understanding.
 
mac said:
This country was created by an armed insurgency.
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Don't forget the other minor details like the Continental Congress and state legislators, it was more than just a bunch of guys protesting gazing fees.

Also the fact that Americans engaged in insurgent warfare during our war of independence in no way automatically justifies the use of such tactics by anyone else.
 
mac said:
This country was created by an armed insurgency.
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Which still fails to lend credibility to modern day dopes who fancy themselves to be revolutionaries. Stand on the merits of your position in the here and now.
 
Wiseone said:
You don't have the right to seek out and attempt to create a situation where you are compelled to kill someone to save your own life, thats what you're not understanding.
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Unless you are in Florida, anyway.
 
Wiseone said:
Don't forget the other minor details like the Continental Congress and state legislators, it was more than just a bunch of guys protesting gazing fees.

Also the fact that Americans engaged in insurgent warfare during our war of independence in no way automatically justifies the use of such tactics by anyone else.
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a351 said:
Which still fails to lend credibility to modern day dopes who fancy themselves to be revolutionaries. Stand on the merits of your position in the here and now.
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So, without a bunch of rich (racist) gentleman farmers to lend it some credibility....it's just a bunch of dopes with guns, eh?
 
mac said:
This country was created by an armed insurgency.
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And tax (or fee) evasion is not a moral reason to start a war.
 
mac said:
So, without a bunch of rich (racist) gentleman farmers to lend it some credibility....it's just a bunch of dopes with guns, eh?
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You're being deliberately obtuse. I don't believe you can't see or don't understand any difference between the Revolutionary War and the situation around Bundy's ranch.

In other words youre just a troll right now
 
Wiseone said:
You're being deliberately obtuse. I don't believe you can't see or don't understand any difference between the Revolutionary War and the situation around Bundy's ranch.

In other words youre just a troll right now
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Bet you're a fan of Che Guevara.
 
DiAnna said:
Except it'll probably go down in history as Whacko and the Cow Huggers.
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I cracked up when I read that. And you are right. ;) :lol:
 
Wiseone said:
You're being deliberately obtuse. I don't believe you can't see or don't understand any difference between the Revolutionary War and the situation around Bundy's ranch.

In other words youre just a troll right now
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mac said:
Bet you're a fan of Che Guevara.
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Moderator's Warning:
Knock it off you two. Stick to the topic, which incidentally is not about each other.
 
Wiseone said:
You don't have the right to seek out and attempt to create a situation where you are compelled to kill someone to save your own life, thats what you're not understanding.
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I don't claim such a right. That's what you're not understanding. I don't do only those things I have a right to do. I can also choose to do things I think I can get away with, or am willing to accept the consequences for, rather I have a right to do it or no.

If I chose to act as so described, I would do it in such a way I could get away with it, and be willing to accept the consequences if I didn't. As it happens I have no love for either side, and so I'll take no action, but not because I have no right.
 
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