Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:212]

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Filthy McNasty said:

Are you confused about the difference between Benghazi and Cairo? One is in Libya and the other is in Egypt. Also, did you work out yet that there was no protest at the embassy we are discussing? Or is this Cairo canard supposed to make up for that somehow? This is your brilliant argument, you tell us. This should be entertaining yet ignorant as hell.

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OH, but your "Smoking Gun" was an email that said:

"And to underscore that these protests are rooted in an internet video; and not a broader failure of policy"

Yes there were protests: Yes those protesters attacked a US embassy (Cairo). And yes they were motivated by an internet video and not a broader failure of policy.
Them are facts.

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Mithros said:

OH, but your "Smoking Gun" was an email that said:

"And to underscore that these protests are rooted in an internet video; and not a broader failure of policy"

Yes there were protests: Yes those protesters attacked a US embassy (Cairo). And yes they were motivated by an internet video and not a broader failure of policy.
Them are facts.

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There were no protest at the Benghazi embassy. Period. So you know, plug in your brain. Or is that expecting too much of you?

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What is amazing to me is how anyone - liberal, conservative, or any other affiliation - can brush aside the slaughter of 4 Americans who were BEGGING for help

It is clear to anyone that Obama was running on defeating terrorists, he bellowed over and over how he had them on the run. And to salvage an election and his ego, has lied over and over again and is continuing to give a one finger salute to the families of the murdered men

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ecofarm said:

I'm commenting on your source. I understand if that presents an embarrassment for you and you'd rather not address it.

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Sorry. I forgot I was dealing with a disillusional nonthinking conservative drone who doesn't acknowledge that something happened unless their overload at Fox News decrees it from upon high.

I had assumed that an article written in the vicinity of the Cairo protests by a more sympathetic source would present a more valid representation of the motivations of the Cairo protests because they would be more closely attuned to the protesters. But this is all for naught as you don't even acknowledge that the protests happened in the first place.

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Filthy McNasty said:

There were no protest at the Benghazi embassy. Period. So you know, plug in your brain. Or is that expecting too much of you?

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Where in the smoking gun email does it say BENGAZI PROTESTS???

It doesn't. It says protests. There WERE protests. Denying reality doesn't help your cause.

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Mithros said:

Sorry. I forgot I was dealing with a disillusional nonthinking conservative drone who doesn't acknowledge that something happened unless their overload at Fox News decrees it from upon high.

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I haven't owned a TV in over 15 years. I have no idea what's on Fox.

I'm vegan, atheist, pro-legalization, pro gay rights and adoption, pro green and anti-death penalty.

You, sir, are full of ****.

I had assumed that an article written in the vicinity of the Cairo protests by a more sympathetic source would present a more valid representation of the motivations of the Cairo protests because they would be more closely attuned to the protesters.

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Bull****. You were looking for the most neanderthal sympathetic fish rag you could find.

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ecofarm said:

I haven't owned a TV in over 15 years. I have no idea what's on Fox.

I'm vegan, atheist, pro-legalization, pro gay rights and adoption, pro green and anti-death penalty.

You, sir, are full of ****.



Bull****. You were looking for the most neanderthal sympathetic fish rag you could find.

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So were there protests in Cairo?
Yes or no.. It's a very simple question.

(and sorry, supporting certain policies don't make you a freethinker... in fact, it works quite the opposite.)

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Mithros said:

So were there protests in Cairo?
Yes or no.. It's a very simple question.

(and sorry, supporting certain policies don't make you a freethinker... in fact, it works quite the opposite.)

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Do you have a map? Go get it.

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Mithros said:

OH, but your "Smoking Gun" was an email that said:

"And to underscore that these protests are rooted in an internet video; and not a broader failure of policy"

Yes there were protests: Yes those protesters attacked a US embassy (Cairo). And yes they were motivated by an internet video and not a broader failure of policy.
Them are facts.

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Which internet video are you referring to??

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I do wonder if anyone outside of Democrats and Republicans really care what caused the asinine talking points of the video did it. I head all of this on the news today, shrugged my shoulders and went on about my normal business. I also saw on the news a poll which showed that in May of 2013, August of 2013, and last month that 60 percent plus of Americans think the Obama administration is covering something up when it comes to Benghazi. Perhaps, but what? Then what does with so many of thinking something is being covered up, why don’t most of us care? Perhaps we all have been numb or immune to cover ups and lies. No one really cares anymore, that is except those of the other party.

I think there can be good cover ups and good lies, bad cover ups and bad lies. The good cover ups and lies consist when a president is doing something to help make America safer and/or our intel services are doing something to gain intelligence to help protect us. The bad cover ups and lies deal with a president trying to hide embarrassing information or to gain political advantage for himself and his party. An example of the first and I am showing my age was President Eisenhower lying to the American people about the U-2 incident. The over flights of Russia by our spy planes. IKE originally said it was one of our unarmed weather observation planes that strayed off course. But when Russia paraded Francis Gary Powers, the pilot of the U-2 in front of the TV cameras in Moscow, there could be no doubt that IKE lied. But IKE fessed up and all was forgiven. But that cover up and lie dealt with national security and IKE’s attempt to make us safer. Watergate is an example of the later and I am sure all here know about it.

If the video lie was about protecting CIA assets or intelligence gathering, I have no problem with that. In my opinion that is a good lie, but the White House should have been able to come up with a better one. If on the other hand it was a lie to obtain political advantage or to maintain political advantage for the upcoming election, shame on the president. Then he should be held accountable. But until I know for sure one way or the other, I am able to live quite comfortable with the lie. After all, politicians make their living lying to us, why should this president be any different that all others.

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Mithros said:

Where in the smoking gun email does it say BENGAZI PROTESTS???

It doesn't. It says protests. There WERE protests. Denying reality doesn't help your cause.

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Then why didn't the WH make these E-mails avalailable to the Senate Committee who investigated the Terrorist attack ?

Why did it take a Court Order to get E-mails that discussed other protest ?

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Cut out the personal stuff and debate the topic.

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Perotista said:

I do wonder if anyone outside of Democrats and Republicans really care what caused the asinine talking points of the video did it. I head all of this on the news today, shrugged my shoulders and went on about my normal business. I also saw on the news a poll which showed that in May of 2013, August of 2013, and last month that 60 percent plus of Americans think the Obama administration is covering something up when it comes to Benghazi. Perhaps, but what? Then what does with so many of thinking something is being covered up, why don’t most of us care? Perhaps we all have been numb or immune to cover ups and lies. No one really cares anymore, that is except those of the other party.

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My point, exactly.

If the video lie was about protecting CIA assets or intelligence gathering, I have no problem with that. In my opinion that is a good lie, but the White House should have been able to come up with a better one. If on the other hand it was a lie to obtain political advantage or to maintain political advantage for the upcoming election, shame on the president. Then he should be held accountable. But until I know for sure one way or the other, I am able to live quite comfortable with the lie. After all, politicians make their living lying to us, why should this president be any different that all others.

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I don't get it, either.
If everything Obie is suspected of on this thread is true, he'll just be revealed as a conniving pol.
Who would be surprised?
If his actions/inactions can be shown to have caused the 4 American deaths, that would be a different story.

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Mithros said:

Where in the smoking gun email does it say BENGAZI PROTESTS???

It doesn't. It says protests. There WERE protests. Denying reality doesn't help your cause.

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Oh excuse me! I did not realize you were gloaming on to Jay Carney's idiotic attempt to claim the emails specifically procured by Judicial Watch via a FOIA lawsuit about the Bengazi embassy attack were now supposed to be about someplace, anyplace else. I mean that is asinine on a level that has been much discussed since Carney laughablly tried to float the idea yesterday. Carney did not even get away with that idiocy at the press briefing he tried to float it in! Even the "mainstream" media like ABC, CBS and NBC pointed out the absurdity of the idiotic attempt to try and change the subject. So tell me, why are you trying to float that laughably idiotic horse feces 24 hours later?

Seriously, is this your idea of a really intelligent debate? Pretending that redacted emails about the Benghazi embassy attack, brought to light only by an actual FOIA lawsuit, were really about someplace, anyplace, else? You really sure you want to triple or quadruple down on that complete idiocy? Why?

EDIT: Oh my I forgot, even the NYT jumped on Carney's idiotic attempt to do what you just tried to, yesterday. Pull your head out.

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radioman said:

I don't get it, either.
If everything Obie is suspected of on this thread is true, he'll just be revealed as a conniving pol.
Who would be surprised?
If his actions/inactions can be shown to have caused the 4 American deaths, that would be a different story.

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This goes well beyond "conniving", and not all politicians are like Barry Obama. There are many with honor.

With the WH trying to keep everything a secret it is hard to know what went on but there is already enough to know that these 4 Americans died alone, though help was available, and that the WH lied.

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tecoyah said:

One is left to wonder....if there will come a time that the rabid GOP can accept that the horse is dead.

You guys are embarrassing to the sane wing.

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Are you kidding? When Your elected officials are willing to fabricate stories for political gain! Then go as far as to speak those lies to international bodies such as the UN, release press statements to foreign countries apologizing for free speech, and declare "what difference does it make". I don't know about you and your ilk but I care a little more about integrity and life than that. What you call sane, I call immoral.

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j-mac said:

Just as previously thought, and expressed by ANYONE with eyes, and ears....

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tecoyah said:

One is left to wonder....if there will come a time that the rabid GOP can accept that the horse is dead.

You guys are embarrassing to the sane wing.

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As much as the lefties would like to wish it all away, the smell is just too strong. It's now plain that the WH was pushing hard for a story that was simultaneously unsupported by evidence and politically congenial. That looks like manipulation for political gain. Then there's the fact that the latest email had to be pried out by Judicial Watch court action. That elevates the level of misbehavior to something perilously close to lying, and there's no way for the WH to plausibly claim to have been acting in good faith.eace

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Grant said:

This goes well beyond "conniving", and not all politicians are like Barry Obama. There are many with honor.

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I would disagree with the "many".
These guys get elected and immediately start fund-raising for re-election.
Whether that's because of a lack of honor or because of a corrupt system, I don't know.

With the WH trying to keep everything a secret it is hard to know what went on but there is already enough to know that these 4 Americans died alone, though help was available, and that the WH lied.

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If there was, as you say, help available.
What would the WH's upside be for not sending the available help?
I think the GOP would be focusing on an "Obama let them die" meme if that was the case.
Why waste time on a political spin effort if the Prez has blood on his hands?

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radioman said:

I would disagree with the "many".
These guys get elected and immediately start fund-raising for re-election.
Whether that's because of a lack of honor or because of a corrupt system, I don't know.



If there was, as you say, help available.
What would the WH's upside be for not sending the available help?
I think the GOP would be focusing on an "Obama let them die" meme if that was the case.
Why waste time on a political spin effort if the Prez has blood on his hands?

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It seems you missed this earlier evidence. Emotional Intelligence Director Confirms Hillary Did Not Tell Truth to Benghazi Families

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johndylan1 said:

Are you kidding? When Your elected officials are willing to fabricate stories for political gain! Then go as far as to speak those lies to international bodies such as the UN, release press statements to foreign countries apologizing for free speech, and declare "what difference does it make". I don't know about you and your ilk but I care a little more about integrity and life than that. What you call sane, I call immoral.

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White House: GOP fabricated leaked Benghazi email | TheHill
It's sad when elected officials fabricate stories for political gain.

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:lamo:lamo:lol:Sorry, I can't help myself. These emails that were released by a court order? Well they are not really about the Benghazi attack! Nobody who filed the lawsuit to procure them noticed they were filing a lawsuit for emails about the Cario embassy instead, they are horrible spellers and geographers at Judicial Watch! Nobody at the court noticed it either, I guess neither did the judge. :2funny:

Thank goodness Jay Carney and Mithros did! You would think making up feces this stupid would be difficult. Turns out not so much.uch:

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radioman said:

My point, exactly.





I don't get it, either.
If everything Obie is suspected of on this thread is true, he'll just be revealed as a conniving pol.
Who would be surprised?
If his actions/inactions can be shown to have caused the 4 American deaths, that would be a different story.

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I tend to agree. One reasons historians rate LBJ as average is he was a conniving politicians who lied like all get out about Vietnam. He was also a very vindictive politician. But he did get quite a lot accomplished, who knows if he hadn't been vindictive and conniving if he could have accomplished half or a quarter of what he did? History will let us know about Obama.

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Mithros said:

White House: GOP fabricated leaked Benghazi email | TheHill
It's sad when elected officials fabricate stories for political gain.

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Not sad, it is immoral (no matter who does it) and those who engage in such do not deserve elected office. However I must say after reading the story, this new email kinda proves that Ben Rhodes was involved in distributing the lies, therefore this year old story is also suspect. Is it so insane to expect honesty?

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Mithros said:

White House: GOP fabricated leaked Benghazi email | TheHill
It's sad when elected officials fabricate stories for political gain.

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This latest episode suggests that it was the WH lying all along.eace

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johndylan1 said:

Not sad, it is immoral (no matter who does it) and those who engage in such do not deserve elected office. However I must say after reading the story, this new email kinda proves that Ben Rhodes was involved in distributing the lies, therefore this year old story is also suspect. Is it so insane to expect honesty?

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You are asking a poster who spent part of his day pretending the emails were not about the Benghazi attack and who also posted a year old article, if it is insane to expect honesty. I'd say if you are expecting it from this poster? Yeah it is clearly too much to ask.