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NIMBY said:

At least two New Benghzi threads, running back-to-back on SPY.
The desperation is oozing from the far-right as they see their election dreams slipping away .

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Why the **** is it that whenever something like this is going around, both sides claim the other is desperate.

What the ****?

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The Mark said:

Why the **** is it that whenever something like this is going around, both sides claim the other is desperate.

What the ****?

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I don't think this has sank in to most on the left yet... They are still running around believing that this is all a right wing conspiracy and there is no evidence of a cover up by Administration...

Give them time, because eventually they will be forced to deal with reality and come to term with the fact that the Obama administration has once again been caught lying and /or deceiving the American public.

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Grim17 said:

I don't think this has sank in to most on the left yet... They are still running around believing that this is all a right wing conspiracy and there is no evidence of a cover up by Administration...

Give them time, because eventually they will be forced to deal with reality and come to term with the fact that the Obama administration has once again been caught lying and /or deceiving the American public.

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ARG.

Do you have any clue how much irony your statement just provided?

:lamo

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eohrnberger said:

I dispute the premise. If you recall, the post 9/11 congress, who should be a balance to the executive branch, agreed by a majority that Afghanistan and Iraq military engagements. I have the Democratic leader's quotes, if you like.

You may also recall that it was far from just the president and his administration that contributed the intelligence information that supported the main reason for invading Iraq, which was suspected WMDs. The Yellow cake may have been a misreading of intelligence gathered, or may have been something else. That, obviously, was faux pas.

In the ensuing occupation of Iraq, traces of WMDs were found (I have a link to the Wired article as well as the WikiLeaks inforation), so those weapons were in Iraq at one time, possibly moved over to Syria which may have used on protesters / rebels by Assad.

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Excellent post, and accurate! I have also offered to provide pages of impassioned speeches by Democrat leaders on why we should invade Iraq, including Kerry and Hillary, but so far not a single Dem on DP has asked to see them! Ironic, but totally understandable - how can they castigate Bush when they gave him the authority to do what they asked him to do? Weaseling and squirming after the fact makes them look foolish, when the facts show the truth. Hey that's life sometimes!

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

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eohrnberger said:

I dispute the premise. If you recall, the post 9/11 congress, who should be a balance to the executive branch, agreed by a majority that Afghanistan and Iraq military engagements. I have the Democratic leader's quotes, if you like.

You may also recall that it was far from just the president and his administration that contributed the intelligence information that supported the main reason for invading Iraq, which was suspected WMDs. The Yellow cake may have been a misreading of intelligence gathered, or may have been something else. That, obviously, was faux pas.

In the ensuing occupation of Iraq, traces of WMDs were found (I have a link to the Wired article as well as the WikiLeaks inforation), so those weapons were in Iraq at one time, possibly moved over to Syria which may have used on protesters / rebels by Assad.

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Of course traces of WMD were found, we helped supply them during the Reagan presidency.

The truth is that Bush could have used the War Powers Act to attack Iraq. But what he did instead was to make politically hard for the Democrats to vote against, so he and his administration spend the fall of 2002 scaring the public. Being politicians they voted for the resolution. That resolution, BTW, required Bush to find a peaceful solution by having UN inspectors search for WMD. The UN inspectors were in the country but required some more time which Bush of course denied.

Now you say President Obama lied because there was and election coming. HOWEVER, YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF THAT. NONE!!!! Face it man, this story is a ratings bonanza for Fox, that's all it is.

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Grim17 said:

I don't think this has sank in to most on the left yet... They are still running around believing that this is all a right wing conspiracy and there is no evidence of a cover up by Administration...

Give them time, because eventually they will be forced to deal with reality and come to term with the fact that the Obama administration has once again been caught lying and /or deceiving the American public.

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LMMFAO, I don't think you realize that this is a ratings booster for the "fair and balanced" Fox News channel.

Fox Gets The Special Benghazi Committee It Demanded | Blog | Media Matters for America

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pbrauer said:

Does this idiot know President Bush said he would get Osama Bin Laden "Dead or Alive" yet just 6 months later he tells the world he doesn't care about him any more? As for Obama doing more, Former Sec of Defense Robert Gates disagrees.

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" Dudex President Bush was like 5 years ago..."

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pbrauer said:

LMMFAO, I don't think you realize that this is a ratings booster for the "fair and balanced" Fox News channel.

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The Obama administration is a ratings Booster for the Fox News Channel.

And they're a ratings killer for MSNBC.

The distinction ? People dont like being lied to.

You DO realize that before the attack was even over, Hillary Clinton put out a press statement blaming the attack on a "VIDEO".

Yep.

But recently released E-mails show the State Department knew almost immediately that it was a TERRORIST attack.

State Dept cables from the State Dept to the Lybian Govt correctly stated that a Terrorist group associated with Al Qaeda was responsible.

Still don't think the WH lied ?

Do YOU like being lied to ?

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Fenton said:

Do YOU like being lied to ?

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:shrug: Apparently he is willing to be. I think we'll see that a lot - given the emotional investment so many on the left made in Obama, we can expect a lot of battered-wife syndrome.

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Fenton said:

Do YOU like being lied to ?

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It's quite funny. When it is a Republican President the right doesn't mind being lied to in fact they will vote for the liar a second term. When it is Democrat President the left doesn't mind being lied to in fact they will vote for the liar a second term. Amazing that BOTH the left and right are zombies when it comes to their own lying to them, in fact they make excuses such as "Well the other side would be worse". That has happened numerous times. Anyone that votes Dem or Rep are nothing but idiots IMO and deserve the government they vote in.

It seems that whether Dem or GOP, the biggest selling point isn't vote for their side because they are the best, it is don't vote for the other side cause they are worse. That's where the duopoly fails because no matter who you pick, the candidate is bad for America and the people.

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cpwill said:

:shrug: Apparently he is willing to be. I think we'll see that a lot - given the emotional investment so many on the left made in Obama, we can expect a lot of battered-wife syndrome.

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The lies are coming from the Fox News Channel, they're the ones promoting this crap. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves using the death of four dead men for political gain. What sick bastards.

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Grim17 said:

I don't think this has sank in to most on the left yet... They are still running around believing that this is all a right wing conspiracy and there is no evidence of a cover up by Administration...

Give them time, because eventually they will be forced to deal with reality and come to term with the fact that the Obama administration has once again been caught lying and /or deceiving the American public.

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Mornin' Grim. :2wave: Looks like they will be forced to come to terms with it a lot sooner than they thought.



House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) is announcing today that he intends for the House to vote to create a new select committee to investigate the September 11, 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya that killed four Americans. He released the following statement:

“Americans learned this week that the Obama Administration is so intent on obstructing the truth about Benghazi that it is even willing to defy subpoenas issued by the standing committees of the People's House. These revelations compel the House to take every possible action to ensure the American people have the truth about the terrorist attack on our consulate that killed four of our countrymen. In light of these new developments, the House will vote to establish a new select committee to investigate the attack, provide the necessary accountability, and ensure justice is finally served.

“The administration's withholding of documents – emails showing greater White House involvement in misleading the American people – is a flagrant violation of trust and undermines the basic principles of oversight upon which our system of government is built. And it forces us to ask the question, what else about Benghazi is the Obama administration still hiding from the American people?


- See more at: Boehner to Establish Select Committee on Benghazi | Speaker.gov

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...n/192770-select-committee.html#post1063227965



Should put an end to all that talk about desperation by those on the Right. I am surprised that none on the Right aren't using what I and others have put up.

Its all good material and a lot comes from the State itself. Each and every time the left keeps coming up with the same arguments. Same sources that Team O produced and they still can't get around what we have up already.

Other than the bloviating talk about how we got nothing. Well we showed we have a whole hell of a lot. Yet for some reason they still can't get around whats up. So why are we back to arguing a point that's been proven. We have the Timelines, Overseas Government Sources, and all of our own. Anything I have put up I would hope those on the Right use and even send to their Congressman. To their Senators......give them the material and let them do what they need to do. Telling them to do what they need to do. Remember they are Servants of the People. Treat them so.

Oh and we need these guys to not talk about themselves or just be about chastising someone. Get in there with the material. Bust them out and hopefully they will lie Right there under oath and in front of the American People.

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pbrauer said:

The lies are coming from the Fox News Channel, they're the ones promoting this crap. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves using the death of four dead men for political gain. What sick bastards.

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:doh We know the administration lied, pbrauer. They knew it was Ansar Al Sharia that day. And yet still they went out and talked about a video, and arrested a guy for making it. It's in the documents they released. And they know that they lied, which is why they initially covered it up.

MMC said:

Looks like they will be forced to come to terms with it a lot sooner than they thought.

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See pbrauer's response. No they won't. This will become like the Alger Hiss case, where even when he was found guilty, and even after the Soviet Union fell and the documents proving beyond any kind of doubt came out that he was a spy, the left just Refused To Believe Their Lying Eyes, because they had emotionally invested in the argument.


Conservatives were willing to reject Bush after things like the immigration reform push and the Harriet Meyers nomination. It seems that there isn't (at the very least, present in this issue) a similar ability to weigh one's support of a President in the light of new evidence among our friends on the left.

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cpwill said:

:doh We know the administration lied, pbrauer. They knew it was Ansar Al Sharia that day. And yet still they went out and talked about a video, and arrested a guy for making it. It's in the documents they released. And they know that they lied, which is why they initially covered it up.

See pbrauer's response. No they won't. This will become like the Alger Hiss case, where even when he was found guilty, and even after the Soviet Union fell and the documents proving beyond any kind of doubt came out that he was a spy, the left just Refused To Believe Their Lying Eyes, because they had emotionally invested in the argument.

Conservatives were willing to reject Bush after things like the immigration reform push and the Harriet Meyers nomination. It seems that there isn't (at the very least, present in this issue) a similar ability to weigh one's support of a President in the light of new evidence among our friends on the left.

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Mornin' CPW. :2wave: Well with BO care failing......the economy not moving and jobs not being created. Foreign Policy failing and having to be reset for each theater of Operations. 61% of the country thinking their man will do nothing but lie.

I think it has rattled them somewhat.

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pbrauer said:

The reason Nixon quit was because he knew if he was impeached, he would likely not have the Republican votes in the Senate to save his ass.

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Stay tuned. This is worse than watergate. Americans don't care for liars.

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j-mac said:

Stay tuned. This is worse than watergate. Americans don't care for liars.

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Unfortunately, I don't think it will... That's because we have a media that has proved they will go to great lengths to protect this president, so there won't be the feeding frenzy like there was with Watergate.

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pbrauer said:

Of course traces of WMD were found, we helped supply them during the Reagan presidency.

The truth is that Bush could have used the War Powers Act to attack Iraq. But what he did instead was to make politically hard for the Democrats to vote against, so he and his administration spend the fall of 2002 scaring the public. Being politicians they voted for the resolution. That resolution, BTW, required Bush to find a peaceful solution by having UN inspectors search for WMD. The UN inspectors were in the country but required some more time which Bush of course denied.

Now you say President Obama lied because there was and election coming. HOWEVER, YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF THAT. NONE!!!! Face it man, this story is a ratings bonanza for Fox, that's all it is.

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Obama has a track record of lying when politically convenient. That's without a shadow of doubt.

It is known to the administration that within hours after the start of the attack on the Libyan embassy that it was a coordinated terrorist attack, yet what are the talking points prepared by the reelection campaign leaders to administration personnel (Rice) (that's be a felony violation of the Hatch Act BTW)?

Start the Internet video meme. Once that fell apart, the next unlikely meme was proffered. All the while the administration had knowledge that it wasn't any of these memes, but an organized terrorist attack.

I don't see how you can consider this as the administration being truthful.
I don't see how you can consider this as anything but misleading the nation to protect the reelection campaign.
I don't see how you can consider this as anything but lying when politically convenient, which is this president's and this administration's track record.

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pbrauer said:

The lies are coming from the Fox News Channel, they're the ones promoting this crap. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves using the death of four dead men for political gain. What sick bastards.

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Still dodging the entire knowingly misdirecting of the entire nation by this administration all for protecting the reelection campaign. Sacrifice the truth over politically expediency. Yeah, what sick bastards.

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pbrauer said:

LMMFAO, I don't think you realize that this is a ratings booster for the "fair and balanced" Fox News channel.

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If it is a 'ratings booster' it only demonstrates that many good Americans want to discover what happened before, during and after Benghazi and feel they have a right to know. You obviously feel otherwise and want to brush it aside and cover it up.

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pbrauer said:

The lies are coming from the Fox News Channel,

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Which lies are they?

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cpwill said:

Mistakes aren't the issue. I think there have been enough policy failures in the ME for both parties. It's the cover up in and lying to the American people and the families of the victims because you valued an easier re-election more than them that's the issue.

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As far as I can tell, the "coverup" is of the motives, still unknown, of the terrorists who attacked U.S. interests, and this so-called 'coverup' lasted a few DAYS.

A comparable 'scandal' could be generated over why we were attacked on 9/11/2001. Bush said, "America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world." Well, that's total horse manure. We were targeted because of our decades long meddling in the affairs of sovereign countries, including siting U.S. military bases and 10s of thousands of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia. The attacks were in retaliation for identifiable acts by the U.S.

So is this scandalous? Why not - it's a bigger lie, repeated for YEARS. In some ways the lies were scandalous, but we didn't hold hearings about who crafted those talking points. We all understood that was 'normal' politics of war. What mattered most was terrorists attacked and killed thousands of Americans - the motives of these people attacking the U.S. was secondary at best.

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JasperL said:

As far as I can tell, the "coverup" is of the motives, still unknown, of the terrorists who attacked U.S. interests, and this so-called 'coverup' lasted a few DAYS.

A comparable 'scandal' could be generated over why we were attacked on 9/11/2001. Bush said, "America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world." Well, that's total horse manure. We were targeted because of our decades long meddling in the affairs of sovereign countries, including siting U.S. military bases and 10s of thousands of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia. The attacks were in retaliation for identifiable acts by the U.S.

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It's been well documented that Americans were attacked. What interests many Americans is why the White House lied to them and who was responsible. Was Obama giving the orders? Clinton? Or the press agents?

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j-mac said:

Stay tuned. This is worse than watergate. Americans don't care for liars.

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Anyone who compares this to Watergate reveals themselves to be a hopeless partisan, or knows really nothing about the Watergate scandal and can't take 10 minutes to look it up.

If you want to compare Benghazi to Watergate, the crime must be whatever the CIA was doing in those outposts - something we still don't really know - and the various descriptions of motive efforts to hide those crimes. But that's not what you right wingers focus on. Have there been ANY hearings demanding to know what we were doing there, calling St. David to the stand, threatening him with contempt unless he explains what his guys were doing that got our ambassador killed? No. All we know is we weren't attacked over a video (supposedly), but no one seems to give a damn the real reason why. Heck, all Obama had to do, apparently, was just call this random terrorism and he'd have been fine. We're used to swallowing that BS without a second thought....

That's why the fact the right wing ignores Petraeus is so telling. If there is a scandal, it's in what we were doing. But the guy directing what we were doing there, the DCI, doesn't get even a nod from you guys.

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Grant said:

It's been well documented that Americans were attacked. What interests many Americans is why the White House lied to them and who was responsible. Was Obama giving the orders? Clinton? Or the press agents?

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Giving what orders? The military response? Since when do we expect Sec. of State and/or POTUS to meddle into how our trained military responds to battles as those battles are taking place? THAT would be a scandal, IMO. It's why we have a Sec. Def, JCOS, command centers, chains of command, staffed by some of the best in their fields in world history.

And you just ignored the example of the OTHER 9/11. Do you care why you were lied to by Bush? Or do you actually believe we are targeted for terrorist attacks because of our freedoms?