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Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA[W:545]

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First Amendment rights do not enter into this scenario at all.
True, except that there seems to be some people who disagree with such concepts.

What's next, thought police?
 
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True, except that there seems to be some people who disagree with such concepts.

What's next, thought police?

"Thought Police" is just another meaningless buzzword.
 
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"Thought Police" is just another meaningless buzzword.

Ignorance drives the discussion in these things when they say things like this.
 
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If they start voting people out..............well, everyone could get a turn at the chopping block sooner or later for just about anything.

That's not true. You're presuming that 75% of the owners would be willing to go along with a frivolous action. Really, you're belittling what Sterling did and is, as if it could be "just about anything". Like what he did is really not a big deal. Why are you downplaying what he did?


The NBA should disenfranchise him, leaving him with nothing - a total loss. Someone else can build a new team in LA.
 
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That's not true. You're presuming that 75% of the owners would be willing to go along with a frivolous action. Really, you're belittling what Sterling did and is, as if it could be "just about anything". Like what he did is really not a big deal. Why are you downplaying what he did?


The NBA should disenfranchise him, leaving him with nothing - a total loss. Someone else can build a new team in LA.
Okay, so the next issue becomes gay marriage, Orlando's owner is a traditionalist so he could be next. Then when that is settled there could be a war on drunk driving, the NBA gets on board and an owner slips up and gets caught DWI, that becomes a morals clause violation and then the owners decide "in the best interest of the league" that he shouldn't own a team anymore. Next thing you know, an owner forgets to take a gun out of his suitcase traveling and he "disgraced the league", someone might say something a little too harsh concerning Obama, or may question an action by the active commissioner of the league................................

What Sterling did was reprehensible, there isn't a question about that, and he already got smacked down hard by not being able to participate in his teams anything, plus a 2.5M$ fine. Taking his team by decree is on the table now and because it's a majority vote, any owner could slip up in any way that isn't PC and face the same fate. Honestly, he is going to probably have to sell without that vote because he is going to lose his customer base, let the market decide that.
 
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Okay, so the next issue becomes gay marriage, Orlando's owner is a traditionalist so he could be next. Then when that is settled there could be a war on drunk driving, the NBA gets on board and an owner slips up and gets caught DWI, that becomes a morals clause violation and then the owners decide "in the best interest of the league" that he shouldn't own a team anymore. Next thing you know, an owner forgets to take a gun out of his suitcase traveling and he "disgraced the league", someone might say something a little too harsh concerning Obama, or may question an action by the active commissioner of the league................................

You're just belittling what Sterling did. You're trying to equate it to minor things. You're apologizing for racism. You're pretending racism is not a big deal. Perhaps it's not, for you, but it is for the rest of us. We don't consider it a minor sociological thing and we don't compare it to drunk driving.

What's next, you're gonna compare racism to a stubbed toe? Perhaps we should compare it to wearing red. You know, just to make it absolutely clear that we don't think it's a problem.

And if the NBA decides to become ultra-PC... too bad. It's a private organization. Why do all the racist cries of "freedom of association" vaporize when it's a racist that no one wants anything to do with? Oooh... I know! Because racists are full of crap.


Freedom of association!! Except... racists must be tolerated in private organizations!!

Hypocritical scumbags.
 
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Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

Honestly, he is going to probably have to sell without that vote because he is going to lose his customer base, let the market decide that.
This is all the farther anyone should expect. Those of you wanting more, maybe you should check you vengeance...
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

You're just belittling what Sterling did. You're trying to equate it to minor things. You're apologizing for racism. You're pretending racism is not a big deal. Perhaps it's not, for you, but it is for the rest of us. We don't consider it a minor sociological thing and we don't compare it to drunk driving.
No, I've used the words reprehensible, abhorrent, horrible, racist, and scumbag to describe the actions and character of the man and I stand by every one of those. What I think people need to realize is that even in the face of the disgusting things he said, precedents can be used to expand this to others later so be careful how you treat this case, that in no way minimizes the awful things Sterling said, IOW, him being banned and the fine, I'm good with, forcing him to sell by league decree may be a bit too far and the market is going to do that anyway.
 
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No, I've used the words reprehensible, abhorrent, horrible, racist, and scumbag to describe the actions and character of the man and I stand by every one of those.

And you think getting a DUI is on the same level? How about wearing a belt that doesn't match the shoes?

What I think people need to realize is that even in the face of the disgusting things he said, precedents can be used to expand this to others later so be careful how you treat this case,

That's BS. First, you're making false comparisons resulting in the minimizing of racism. Second, it's a private organization. What happened to "freedom to associate!!11!!"

that in no way minimizes the awful things Sterling said,

Yes, it does. You're pretending that minor crap will be treated the same. This clearly implies that racism is a minor thing, or at least comparable. That's minimizing racism.

IOW, him being banned and the fine, I'm good with, forcing him to sell by league decree may be a bit too far and the market is going to do that anyway.

They shouldn't force him to sell. They should disenfranchise him, leaving him with nothing to sell. Someone can build a new team and he gets nothing.

Flush 500m of his, see what he thinks about that.
 
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Ignorance drives the discussion in these things when they say things like this.

Only if your thought don't line up with the liberals. Otherwise everyone is a bigot racist and redneck.
 
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No, its more like your crowd doesn't believe in personal responsibility. What you are really advocating is that people be free of the consequences of their choosing to exercise their free speech rights. No one is curtailing Sterling at all. He remains free to say whatever the hell he wants.

By that notion, it would be ok by you for the government to punish public speech.

The reality, is that you people are all for personal responsibility, as long as it's someone you like. I havent seen any calls for Jesse Jackson to be banned from all NBA events.
 
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And you think getting a DUI is on the same level? How about wearing a belt that doesn't match the shoes?
No I do not, but I can tell you that when I was a professionally licensed insurance agent had I gotten one the state could have suspended or revoked it. Here is what concerns me, the commissioner is asking the owners to act "in the best interests of the league". While I feel that he has a very valid point, it is chilling to think of "the league's best interests" being expanded to the cause du jour. At the end of the day, the man said horrible things but still has property at stake.



That's BS.
It's a valid concern.



Yes, it does. You're pretending that minor crap will be treated the same. This clearly implies that racism is a minor thing, or at least comparable. That's minimizing racism.
It's just thinking ahead. I listened to some people saying in media that Orlando's owner "could be a target" because he supports traditional marriage and the owners don't like his stance either. So that is another issue "to be dealt with at a later time", there are lots of things that aren't PC that a lot of people could be "guilty" of. Sterling well may deserve the vote against him, but it could set a precedent of eliminating anyone who doesn't tow the line.


They shouldn't force him to sell. They should disenfranchise him, leaving him with nothing to sell.
I don't know if that's even feasible under the charter, but then you have a vacuum in that a team just disappears, that would hurt the league just as much with relocation, finding ownership, etc.
 
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No I do not, but I can tell you that when I was a professionally licensed insurance agent had I gotten one the state could have suspended or revoked it. Here is what concerns me, the commissioner is asking the owners to act "in the best interests of the league". While I feel that he has a very valid point, it is chilling to think of "the league's best interests" being expanded to the cause du jour. At the end of the day, the man said horrible things but still has property at stake.

So what. "Freedom of association" remember??

It's a valid concern.

It's not a valid concern. It's a private organization and they can do what they want. Such action requires 75% of the owners to agree. Who the hell are you to decide what's best for them and their private organization?

It's just thinking ahead. I listened to some people saying in media that Orlando's owner "could be a target" because he supports traditional marriage and the owners don't like his stance either. So that is another issue "to be dealt with at a later time", there are lots of things that aren't PC that a lot of people could be "guilty" of. Sterling well may deserve the vote against him, but it could set a precedent of eliminating anyone who doesn't tow the line.

Good! It's the organization's right. I don't see you complaining about churches excluding gays. You SUPPORT racial discrimination in business. But NOW you have a problem with "freedom of association"? Why? Because now it's the scumbags that are getting a taste of it?

I don't know if that's even feasible under the charter, but then you have a vacuum in that a team just disappears, that would hurt the league just as much with relocation, finding ownership, etc.

I heard they can disenfranchise him. The void would be nothing. People are falling over each other to get this kind of a trophy possession.

I think it's the right thing to do. 2.5m is nothing, but 500m would be the kick in the pants he deserves.
 
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So what. "Freedom of association" remember??
Just association I agree. We are talking about a property issue though so it gets more complex.



It's not a valid concern. It's a private organization and they can do what they want. Such action requires 75% of the owners to agree. Who the hell are you to decide what's best for them and their private organization?
They can do as they wish, it isn't my consequence to bear. I can also point out the potential pitfalls.


Good! It's the organization's right. I don't see you complaining about churches excluding gays. You SUPPORT racial discrimination in business. But NOW you have a problem with "freedom of association"? Why? Because now it's the scumbags that are getting a taste of it?
I support property rights even when I think a decision is unfair or outright stupid, I can see more than one side of issues.



I heard they can disenfranchise him. The void would be nothing. People are falling over each other to get this kind of a trophy possession.
They may be able to, I'm not all that familiar with their charter and still learning stuff about it.
I think it's the right thing to do. 2.5m is nothing, but 500m would be the kick in the pants he deserves.
The guy is a billionaire, I don't really think he would care about that more than just being forced to sell.
 
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Just association I agree. We are talking about a property issue though so it gets more complex.

There's no complexity. He signed a contract.

They can do as they wish, it isn't my consequence to bear. I can also point out the potential pitfalls.

But it's not a potential pitfall. It's just minimizing racism.

I support property rights even when I think a decision is unfair or outright stupid, I can see more than one side of issues.

Do you also support people being held to contracts they sign?

They may be able to, I'm not all that familiar with their charter and still learning stuff about it.
The guy is a billionaire, I don't really think he would care about that more than just being forced to sell.

Oh, I think he'd care about losing nearly a third of his wealth. The NBA should do it.
 
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Okay, so the next issue becomes gay marriage, Orlando's owner is a traditionalist so he could be next.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the NBA's customer base is more black than it is gay
 
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