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GOP lawmaker: 'Men are more motivated' than women

SheWolf said:
Yeah, as if he will get back to me. You could of have just said you didn't know of any study or research that provided evidence of his statement. No offense, but I am not going to waste my time in emailing him, so no thanks.
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No offense taken. Im not the one looking for answers from him.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Late night talk show comedy writers couldn't write this stuff. GOP lawmaker: 'Men are more motivated' than women | Early & Often
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Well that's not what he said but what he said is correct.

The so called gender pay gap is documented by the US department of Labor unfortunately what the progressive liars leave out is why the gap exists.

The same study from the US department of Labor shows that shows men work more overtime and pursue dangerous jobs more then women. Men will choose jobs which require a long commute or extended periods of travel more than women do. And of course more women choose to stay home and raise kids.

The gender pay gap is a gap measured between all women and all men. It is the result of individual choices people make in their jobs and lives.

All the NH representative did was to remind people of these facts and shut down the false narrative about gender discrimination.
 
SheWolf said:
On what grounds is he making this statement though... where is the evidence that this is true???
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I'm pretty sure it's just that dude's opinion likely based on personal experience. :dunno:

I'd like to see hard proof that women are paid a lesser rate than men when all things, position, experience, performance, education, etc. are equal. At every place I've ever worked, that has never been the least bit true.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Not me, bub.
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But I didn't reply to you, you replied to me. I was replying to those who said he was wrong, I was not replying to his position on the legislation.

You STILL don't get your IRONY!

Yet...here you are....the IRONY!

And CARING to COMMENT...LOL.
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You don't seem to be understanding basic ideas right now. I don't care what some stupid state legislator said. I only came into the thread because I thought it was a Congressman who made this claim. Once I was in the thread and read some of the comments, I made my own comment. You then replied to me. I now care about correcting your statements about what I said.

Seriously, this isn't hard.

No, I took issue with the untruth of his statements.....and those who choose to defend him/his statements.
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But it wasn't untrue. There is a very real bias in America regarding men and working/making money. I don't agree with the lawmaker it should preclude women from earning equal money, but he is right where there is more societal pressure to make money.

Well, there you are. I had thought you avoided stupid argument, and never imagined you to defend it.
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I'm not defending anything but the truth. If me speaking the truth causes some random person on the Internet to lose some imagined respect for me, I honestly could not care less. The fact is the man's premise, at least what was posted in the video, is correct. I don't agree women should not receive equal pay, but I do agree men are historically more motivated to try and earn money, due to the traditional role of the man as the provider.

But, you are not, you cannot separate his argument from false use of "facts"....unless you are going to blindly ignore his objective.
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Why are you struggling with something so simple? What he said is correct. I do not agree with his overall position.

For example, it is a women earn less than men. It's a fact. But if someone used that fact and said women are inferior workers because they don't earn as much, I would disagree completely with that statement. One can agree to a fact while not agreeing to a position.

FFS, you are discussing platform if you are discussing "planks".
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No, no you are not. The plank is one part of a platform. The platform, according to what you said, is this lawmaker's opposition to equal pay. One of the planks to the platform, one of the things he uses to justify his position, is the fact men are traditionally more likely to be seen as providers for the family.

This is BS, and Im going Godwin here, to support a plank of NAZI propaganda is a very dangerous thing to do.
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Yeah...you don't seem interested in rational discussion if you think a statement of historical accuracy is Nazi propaganda.

You are IF YOU ARE USING IT AS A RATIONALE FOR NOT ENFORCING EQUAL PAY.
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But I'm not. Or, so you may understand, BUT I'M NOT.

In an argument to not enforce equal pay.
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Which I'm not defending. All I'm saying is his statement was mostly accurate.

It is a GENERALITY that creates a false description of US rates of pay. For single women, there is a REAL pressure to provide, not some imagined, vague "societal pressure".

When you come up with a real description of "societal pressure", let me know.

It is a BS argument, the economic pressure to provide is a real thing, and is more pronounced upon those with unequal pay.
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So you ARE saying there is not a societal pressure for the men to be providers for the family? That a stay at home mom isn't cherished while a stay at home dad isn't a bum? That men aren't seen as the ones required to put bread on the table? There's no pressure on males to pay for dates? Women don't traditionally seek a marriage partner who can provide for them? You don't believe any of these things are ideas reinforced in our society?

Of course you do. You know it's accurate. That doesn't mean women don't work hard or don't deserve equal pay, but a stay at home mom is an accepted lifestyle, while a dad who stays at home is traditionally a deadbeat. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, only that it's true.

I don't know what bug has crawled up your rear end, but it's causing you to react in less than flattering ways.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
I was replying to those who said he was wrong, I was not replying to his position on the legislation.
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Lets get back to your original statement, because frankly, you have forgotten what you said:

Slyfox696 said:
Third of all, disingenuous parsing of his words is disingenuous. While he said it very poorly, and said it in ways which can be considered offensive, it doesn't change the fact his general point is not necessarily wrong. .
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You see, his general point....is to oppose the equal pay legislation.

His supporting argument to support his position, his "general point", is to use non-sequitur argument...such as:

Representative Will Infantine said:
Men by and large make more because of some of the things they do. Their jobs are, by and large, more riskier

They don’t mind working nights and weekends. They don’t mind working overtime, or outdoors in the elements.
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These are arguments that do not apply to RATE OF PAY. Women who do these same risky jobs, put in the same hours, should not be denied the same RATE OF PAY. His argument conflates length of time worked with rate of pay.

So you see, it truly is his "general point" that is "disingenuous".

You can try to argue that you are not replying to his position on the legislation, but really, you are, when you talk about his "general point". A legislator who is on the floor speaking to the body, expressing his or her support or opposition to legislation before the body.....is making his or her "general point", ie their position, known. To try to wiggle away with any other description of this is disingenuous.




Slyfox696 said:
He said it in a terrible way, but for anyone to deny society historically (and presently) expects far more from the man than the woman, in terms of work and pay, is to simply deny reality
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Here is your biggest problem...he did not say that. You are making this up, this is you talking....and the funny thing is, it again is a non-sequitur since it is not a rationale for denying equal pay to women....you know, HIS GENERAL POINT, which he is wrong about.


And just to put a cherry on top:

On Friday, Infantine told News 9 that he does not believe what he was saying on Wednesday. He was just reading from a government report.

Infantine told News 9 he wants to clarify that the views he expressed are not his own.


Infantine said he believes women and men should have equal pay.

"Of course they should," he said. "I've said this before. I have a mother, a sister, a wife and two daughters. Why would I think my female relatives or anyone I know -- including my staff here who's been inundated with nasty phone calls -- why should they not receive the same pay as a man? They should. I've never been against that."

On Wednesday, Infantine voted against the Paycheck Equity Act.



Read more: State rep. tries to clarify comments on equal pay | Politics - WMUR Home​
 
tres borrachos said:
And this affects you how.....?
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Your being unable to know the concerns of women who are not paid equally?

Your ignorance on this matter has no effect on me......should it? I would think it should effect you in some manner....like maybe finding out about it....instead of denying it.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Your being unable to know the concerns of women who are not paid equally?

Your ignorance on this matter has no effect on me......should it? I would think it should effect you in some manner....like maybe finding out about it....instead of denying it.
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What about men who aren't paid equally to women? I know some of them.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
And I have posted the legislation that SAYS exactly that, yet you are defending a GOP NH House member that opposes it with arguments USING DATA THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE LEGISLATION.
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LOL, you keep laying out the facts of the legislation this representative is trying to defeat, and nobody even notices. It's like they collectively put their fingers in their ears and went, "lalalalalala, I can't hear you!" :lol:
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Your being unable to know the concerns of women who are not paid equally?

Your ignorance on this matter has no effect on me......should it? I would think it should effect you in some manner....like maybe finding out about it....instead of denying it.
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Apparently it isn't a big issue here in NH. I haven't seen any data that show that women in jobs in NH are paid less than men for the same jobs. Can you produce that data since this issue is of such concern to you?

Two days later and this still isn't being discussed by people in our state, just on message boards by Liberal men who live in the opposite corner of the country, and a few left wing sites. Nobody up here cares. Including me.

But at all makes for good political theater - and a chance for left wing sites to put words into a GOP lawmaker's mouth.
 
Soupnazi630 said:
Well that's not what he said but what he said is correct.

The so called gender pay gap is documented by the US department of Labor unfortunately what the progressive liars leave out is why the gap exists.

The same study from the US department of Labor shows that shows men work more overtime and pursue dangerous jobs more then women. Men will choose jobs which require a long commute or extended periods of travel more than women do. And of course more women choose to stay home and raise kids.

The gender pay gap is a gap measured between all women and all men. It is the result of individual choices people make in their jobs and lives.

All the NH representative did was to remind people of these facts and shut down the false narrative about gender discrimination.
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The left needs to obfuscate the truth about the "gender wage gap" to appease incredibly stupid women. Anyone with a shred of research ability knows that the myth is dispelled, but it's a huge talking point for liberals. They need the myth to perpetuate.

They do the same thing with African-Americans.
 
No politician is more motivated than Old Hillary and we all know it.
 
The Man said:
At every place I've ever worked, that has never been the least bit true.
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How would you know? Do you have access to every single employees salary listings AND reviews to make that claim?
 
The Man said:
Doesn't matter.

Where's the evidence that women are paid less when all things are equal?
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Actually it does matter because I think you are lying.
 
The Man said:
I don't care if you think I'm lying. Where's your proof that women are paid less than men when all things are equal?
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You demand proof when you can't answer the basics. Sorry, not playing that game son. You lied and that's all I need to know about you. Conversation is over because you can't even be trusted.
 
The Man said:
Doesn't matter.

Where's the evidence that women are paid less when all things are equal?
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And more specifically, the evidence that it's happening all the time here in NH, which is where this story is based. I looked all around and can't find any evidence except that men make more money on average then women across the entire country. Which proves nothing, because it doesn't say "at the same job".
 
TheNextEra said:
You demand proof when you can't answer the basics. Sorry, not playing that game son. You lied and that's all I need to know about you. Conversation is over because you can't even be trusted.
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I didn't lie about anything.

You're so dishonest about your position that you're now running away from a simple question. Nice.
 
tres borrachos said:
And more specifically, the evidence that it's happening all the time here in NH, which is where this story is based. I looked all around and can't find any evidence except that men make more money on average then women across the entire country. Which proves nothing, because it doesn't say "at the same job".
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Where I work, there are women who make more than men with all criteria equal.
 
tres borrachos said:
And more specifically, the evidence that it's happening all the time here in NH, which is where this story is based. I looked all around and can't find any evidence except that men make more money on average then women across the entire country. Which proves nothing, because it doesn't say "at the same job".
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And not only the same job, everything has to be equal to compare, experience, performance, education, etc., otherwise it's apples to oranges, can't compare.
 
The Man said:
Where I work, there are women who make more than men with all criteria equal.
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I live in NH, and posted a few pages back that a few years ago I worked in an NH-based company a few years where we had 2 EVPs, one male and one female. They did the same work, had the same reponsibilities, but the female EVP made MORE than the male in spite of being at the company 3 years less.

I make more money than my husband even though he works harder and longer than I do.

You can find just as many examples in NH of women getting paid more than men as you would men getting paid more than women at the same job.
 
tres borrachos said:
I live in NH, and posted a few pages back that a few years ago I worked in an NH-based company a few years where we had 2 EVPs, one male and one female. They did the same work, had the same reponsibilities, but the female EVP made MORE than the male in spite of being at the company 3 years less.

I make more money than my husband even though he works harder and longer than I do.

You can find just as many examples in NH of women getting paid more than men as you would men getting paid more than women at the same job.
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That's exactly correct. I have no idea who thought up this whole 'women get paid a lower rate than men' schtick, and I really can't believe that there are so many stupid people who buy into it.
 
The Man said:
That's exactly correct. I have no idea who thought up this whole 'women get paid a lower rate than men' schtick, and I really can't believe that there are so many stupid people who buy into it.
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It makes for good political theater apparently.
 
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