GOP lawmaker: 'Men are more motivated' than women

tres borrachos · Apr 25, 2014

Gimmesometruth said:
LOL...this is an opinion piece from.....wait for it....2 GOP NH Reps opposed to the legislation.

Color me unconvinced.

ps....working link:

Another View -- Regina Birdsell and Laurie Sanborn: It's a job gap, not a wage gap | New Hampshire Columns

Laurie Sanborn is awesome. She & her husband Andy are friends of ours. Laurie had a very successful career as an HR executive here in NH and now they own a restaurant, also here in NH. She's forgotten more about employment in NH than you'll ever know, considering you don't even live here.

Gimmesometruth · Apr 25, 2014

Slyfox696 said:
But one can agree with facts, regardless of position.

2=2+4 is a fact, but it is irreverent to the debate. Lack of motivation is not the reason for gender pay gap.

Because the thread title said GOP lawmaker...it didn't say "GOP state lawmaker".

Um, you were stating that he is a Senator, in fact he is a Rep in the state house.

Once I was here, I commented.

So you DO care.

It's not like I saw a state senator said something stupid and decided to make a thread about it.

AGAIN, State Rep, and you are piling on to his stupidity. If you don't care....stop. If I were you I would stop anyway since your standing, a least with me, is in serious decline with your chosen line of argument.

It is possible to look at parts of an argument to determine their accuracy, without passing judgment on the position as a whole. That's what I'm doing.

You are not.....AND....you are ignoring there invalidity...AND his motivation.

If you want to join in his position, to fight AGAINST equal pay, then continue. It is NOT reflecting well.

Are you disputing there is generally more societal pressure on the man to be the financial provider for the family?

For many women, who are head of households, who are poor, this is not a reason, a rationale, to be paid LESS for equal work.

Stop trying to wiggle away from GOP action to limit equal pay.

Gimmesometruth · Apr 25, 2014

tres borrachos said:
Laurie Sanborn is awesome. She & her husband Andy are friends of ours. Laurie had a very successful career as an HR executive here in NH and now they own a restaurant, also here in NH. She's forgotten more about employment in NH than you'll ever know, considering you don't even live here.

Whats wrong, you cannot answer a question directed to you....you instead give opinion on editorial?

Answer this that was directed to YOU:

tres borrachos said:
tres borrachos said:

I don't think he expected any sympathy from you, unless you know him? Or did you vote for him?

This isn't even making local news. It's only the left wing media and some partisan posters who are upset by what he said, which makes it even more ironic.

As I said, it won't hurt him at all in the state. He lives in a very Republican district.

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Gimmesometruth said:

What he said is to support his opposition to equal pay for equal work.

Is your opinion that women should not be paid equally for equal work?

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tres borrachos · Apr 25, 2014

Gimmesometruth said:
Whats wrong, you cannot answer a question directed to you....you instead give opinion on editorial?

Answer this that was directed to YOU:

I don't care what he said. He's not my rep. But I do like him. Especially now that I know the left is obsessing over him.

I live in NH. I'm a woman. I make more than my husband.

buck · Apr 25, 2014

Gimmesometruth said:
I don't have to rely upon court cases filed in NH (which has very high levels of burden to bring) to know whether gender pay discrimination exists or not in NH.

My level of denial is not that great.

Basically, You know it's true and lack of evidence will not change your mind.

You probably still beleive the 77 cent statistic that the democrats use in support of this bill. Shrug.

Gimmesometruth · Apr 25, 2014

tres borrachos said:
I don't care what he said. He's not my rep. But I do like him. Especially now that I know the left is obsessing over him.

I live in NH. I'm a woman. I make more than my husband.

I did not ask who you like or your income relative to your husband.

I asked:

Is your opinion that women should not be paid equally for equal work?

tres borrachos · Apr 25, 2014

Gimmesometruth said:
I did not ask who you like or your income relative to your husband.

I asked:

Is your opinion that women should not be paid equally for equal work?

No, I think work should be based on performance. I make more than my husband and work less than he does so to me income isn't an issue in this wonderful state.

Must be a slow news day if people in the southwest are obsessing about a low level lawmaker in a little state in the northeast.

Gimmesometruth · Apr 25, 2014

buck said:
Basically, You know it's true and lack of evidence will not change your mind.

I am not so entrenched in denial to think that NH is an outlier from the rest of the US

You probably still beleive (sic) the 77 cent statistic that the democrats use in support of this bill. Shrug.

You can play with all the straw you care to. It will destroy your argument, though.

buck · Apr 25, 2014

tres borrachos said:
Laurie Sanborn is awesome. She & her husband Andy are friends of ours. Laurie had a very successful career as an HR executive here in NH and now they own a restaurant, also here in NH. She's forgotten more about employment in NH than you'll ever know, considering you don't even live here.

I just noticed, that's not even the article I cited:

State House Memo: Equal Pay Law works in New Hampshire but we can make it clearer | Concord Monitor

This one was written by ANDY SANBORNm, who also is a republican in NH.

Slyfox696 · Apr 25, 2014

Gimmesometruth said:
2=2+4 is a fact, but it is irreverent to the debate.

Agreed, but there are people in here arguing that 2+2=/=4. That's what I'm discussing.

Um, you were stating that he is a Senator, in fact he is a Rep in the state house.

My mistake, he is just a rep. All the more reason to wonder why people care.

So you DO care.AGAIN,

No, I don't care. State lawmakers say stupid things all the time. But I was already here so I commented. You took issue with the fact what he said is true (even if he said it poorly) so now I care about what you said.

If I were you I would stop anyway since your standing, a least with me, is in serious decline with your chosen line of argument.

With all due respect, I'm not really that concerned about my standing with anyone. It's just a forum.

You are not.....AND....you are ignoring there invalidity...AND his motivation.

Yes, I told you I'm ignoring his position. That's the point.

As I said, one can discuss the planks without passing judgment on the platform. That's what I'm doing here.

If you want to join in his position, to fight AGAINST equal pay, then continue. It is NOT reflecting well.

I'm doing no such thing, and I've said multiple times now I'm not commenting on his platform. What's not reflecting well is the fact you don't seem to understand this very basic concept.

For many women, who are head of households, who are poor, this is not a reason, a rationale, to be paid LESS for equal work.

I never said it was. What I said was that his statements were not incorrect, that there is definitely more pressure on the male to provide financially.

Stop trying to wiggle away from GOP action to limit equal pay.

The only wiggling being done here is you, as you failed to answer my question. I'll ask it again:

Are you disputing there is generally more societal pressure on the man to be the financial provider for the family?

Gimmesometruth · Apr 25, 2014

tres borrachos said:
No, I think work should be based on performance.

Which is a provision in the bill.

tres borrachos · Apr 25, 2014

buck said:
Basically, You know it's true and lack of evidence will not change your mind.

You probably still beleive the 77 cent statistic that the democrats use in support of this bill. Shrug.

And all it says is that they make less than men on average. It gives no breakdown by job.

In New Hampshire, on average, a woman who holds a full-time job is paid $41,021 per year while a man who holds a full-time job is paid $53,033 per year. This means that women in New Hampshire are paid 77 cents for every dollar paid to men, amounting to a yearly gap of $12,012 between men and women who work full time in the state.1

Gee, the female hairdressers make less than the men who are lawyers in Boston. Color me surprised!

I wonder how many of them here are as concerned about the income disparity in the Obama WH as they are about the income disparity in NH?

tres borrachos · Apr 25, 2014

Gimmesometruth said:
Which is a provision in the bill.

The women in NH don't seem as concerned about the issue as you are. Did you change your sex and move to NH?

I know that more women are pissed about the gax tax increase that the Dems just rammed through and our governor is about to sign into law than they are about this.

buck · Apr 25, 2014

Gimmesometruth said:
I am not so entrenched in denial to think that NH is an outlier from the rest of the US

No, but you are so entrenched that even though there is zero proof of the issue, you are still certain.

You probably still beleive (sic) the 77 cent statistic that the democrats use in support of this bill. Shrug.

Sadly, it is a completely debunked statistic that democrats keep using to gain support for this bill and declare republicans are waging a war on women.

New Hampshire Gov. Maggie Hassan (D) has also expressed support for the measure, pointing to negative fiscal impacts related to the state's gender pay gap.

Today, well over half of the women in our state are either the primary or co-breadwinners in their families,” Hassan said in January. “And yet, on average, women in New Hampshire earn 77 cents on the dollar compared to what men earn in comparable jobs. This disparity ... also puts further strain on our state budget and hurts our local businesses by taking money out of the pockets of consumers."

But, at least we now know that the op was actually correct, despite democrats attempts to spin it into somethign he didn't say.

buck · Apr 25, 2014

tres borrachos said:
Gee, the female hairdressers make less than the men who are lawyers in Boston. Color me surprised!

Such trivialities. What is important is that the reuplbicans are in a war against women.

tres borrachos · Apr 25, 2014

buck said:
Such trivialities. What is important is that the reuplbicans are in a war against women.

As a woman in NH, I will run to the nearest male Democrat for protection. What would we weak NH women do without those big hanking hunks of Democratic men to protect little old us from those big bad Republicans?

Gimmesometruth · Apr 25, 2014

Slyfox696 said:
Agreed, but there are people in here arguing that 2+2=/= 4. That's what I'm discussiong.(sic)

Not me, bub.

My mistake, he is just a rep. All the more reason to wonder why people care.

You STILL don't get your IRONY!

No, I don't care

Yet...here you are....the IRONY!

State lawmakers say stupid things all the time. But I was already here so I commented.

And CARING to COMMENT...LOL.

You took issue with the fact what he said is true (even if he said it poorly) so now I care about what you said.

No, I took issue with the untruth of his statements.....and those who choose to defend him/his statements.

With all due respect, I'm not really that concerned about my standing with anyone. It's just a forum.

Well, there you are. I had thought you avoided stupid argument, and never imagined you to defend it.

Yes, I told you I'm ignoring his position. That's the point.

But, you are not, you cannot separate his argument from false use of "facts"....unless you are going to blindly ignore his objective.

As I said, you discuss the planks without passing judgment on the platform. That's what I'm doing here.

FFS, you are discussing platform if you are discussing "planks". Facts are NOT 'planks". Stop with the false parsing and misuse of language.

I'm doing no such thing, and I've said multiple times now I'm not commenting on his platform. What's not reflecting well is the fact you don't seem to understand this very basic concept.

This is BS, and Im going Godwin here, to support a plank of NAZI propaganda is a very dangerous thing to do.

I never said it was

You are IF YOU ARE USING IT AS A RATIONALE FOR NOT ENFORCING EQUAL PAY.

What I said was that his statements were not incorrect, that there is definitely more pressure on the male to provide financially.

In an argument to not enforce equal pay. It is being used as a rationale. It is a GENERALITY that creates a false description of US rates of pay. For single women, there is a REAL pressure to provide, not some imagined, vague "societal pressure".

The only wiggling being done here is you, as you failed to answer my question. I'll ask it again:

Are you disputing there is generally more societal pressure on the man to be the financial provider for the family?

When you come up with a real description of "societal pressure", let me know.

It is a BS argument, the economic pressure to provide is a real thing, and is more pronounced upon those with unequal pay.

Gimmesometruth · Apr 25, 2014

tres borrachos said:
The women in NH don't seem as concerned about the issue as you are.

Sure, as if you know the concerns of women who are not paid equally.

Go ahead an deny their existence.

FFS.

tres borrachos · Apr 25, 2014

Gimmesometruth said:
Sure, as if you know the concerns of women who are not paid equally.

Go ahead an deny their existence.

FFS.

And this affects you how.....?

SheWolf · Apr 25, 2014

HenryChinaski said:
This is what he said.

They are pretty much arguing that kids are a dead weight for women.

SheWolf · Apr 25, 2014

On what grounds is he making this statement though... where is the evidence that this is true???

tres borrachos said:
What he said was ""Women make half of what men do because of flexibility of work, men are more motivated by money than women are,". Why was that left off the headline in that link? (Rhetorical question, not to you).

Men being more motivated by money doesn't broadly mean "men are more motivated".

tres borrachos · Apr 25, 2014

SheWolf said:
They are pretty much arguing that kids are a dead weight for women.

Who is "they"?

tres borrachos · Apr 25, 2014

SheWolf said:
On what grounds is he making this statement though... where is the evidence that this is true???

His contact information is online. You can email him and ask him. I wouldn't know. It's not news in NH.

SheWolf · Apr 25, 2014

Gardener said:
My own isn't based upon the amount of money I make or the resulting material success, but on the work, itself. There is almost no distinction between what I do and who I am.

I might never retire.

I feel the same way, and I have a vagina.... and I am straight... :shrug:

I have always loved money. When I was a kid, I had my grandpa invest my allowance. I am like my grandpa in the sense that I don't like spending or care much for materialism. I like high quality stuff. When I have a practical need to purchase something, I'l get high quality and expensive... but I don't spend money just for the materialism and consumption of it. I don't like to spend, but I like to make it and invest it.

SheWolf · Apr 25, 2014

tres borrachos said:
His contact information is online. You can email him and ask him. I wouldn't know. It's not news in NH.

Yeah, as if he will get back to me. You could of have just said you didn't know of any study or research that provided evidence of his statement. No offense, but I am not going to waste my time in emailing him, so no thanks.

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