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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
Figures.
You are wrong again as previously shown.
He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.
To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
It is dishonest to say otherwise.
Still wanting to go round and round.
Figures.
You are wrong again as previously shown.
Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.
To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
It is dishonest to say otherwise.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
So if I said, "I'm very concerned about the blacks. Ever since we decided they were ready to leave the plantation, it's all been downhill. Unfortunately for the blacks, they have yet to understand how to be civilized and are still little more than violent, primitive animals who are incapable of anything other than murdering white people."
That's permissible speech, right? I'm speaking out of concern, not disparagement, hatred, or intolerance. Just because Bundy apparently believes that all black people are on welfare and approve of abortion and violence - and believes that they are better off as slaves - doesn't mean he's racist! It just means that he... what does it mean?
I'm still waiting for you to provide that context that says he was only talking about some black people. Because I saw his entire speech, and nowhere did he specify who he was talking about, but at multiple times he expressly implied that he was talking about the entirety of the black population. Of course, such generalizations are usually meant to only apply to the vast majority, but I don't think that's an important distinction. Either way, what he said was either ignorant or racist. And if it was ignorance, it was the type of ignorance that comes from a lifetime of living among racist people. You picked a really awful person to defend.
So if I said, "I'm very concerned about the blacks. Ever since we decided they were ready to leave the plantation, it's all been downhill. Unfortunately for the blacks, they have yet to understand how to be civilized and are still little more than violent, primitive animals who are incapable of anything other than murdering white people."
That's permissible speech, right? I'm speaking out of concern, not disparagement, hatred, or intolerance. Just because Bundy apparently believes that all black people are on welfare and approve of abortion and violence - and believes that they are better off as slaves - doesn't mean he's racist! It just means that he... what does it mean?
I'm still waiting for you to provide that context that says he was only talking about some black people. Because I saw his entire speech, and nowhere did he specify who he was talking about, but at multiple times he expressly implied that he was talking about the entirety of the black population. Of course, such generalizations are usually meant to only apply to the vast majority, but I don't think that's an important distinction. Either way, what he said was either ignorant or racist. And if it was ignorance, it was the type of ignorance that comes from a lifetime of living among racist people. You picked a really awful person to defend.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
Another racist would not find what Bundy said being racist at all, to them he is simply speaking the truth. I will leave it at that.
Another racist would not find what Bundy said being racist at all, to them he is simply speaking the truth. I will leave it at that.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
Well Gollllieee! The dang feds ought to be a payin' Bundee fer all that there free bull shat he's bin a givin' em!
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
Yes you is wrong, as previously shown.
He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.
To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
It is dishonest to say otherwise.
He was specifically speaking of those on welfare.
Because it sure looks that way, and then sounds like the Gov has taken advantage of him.
He provided lawn care services and instead of paying, they want to charge him for it. What a shame.
Yes you is wrong, as previously shown.
Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.
To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
It is dishonest to say otherwise.
No you are not. It has already been provided.
He was specifically speaking of those on welfare.
Then you choose not to see what is there.
You are simply wrong.
Are you saying that he didn't provided lawn care services for the land?
Because it sure looks that way, and then sounds like the Gov has taken advantage of him.
He provided lawn care services and instead of paying, they want to charge him for it. What a shame.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
I've heard if you gather them, and place them neatly, by stacking, they make really nice and warm and cozy huts. Kinda like a igloo, 'cept it's probably called a pooploo.
I've heard if you gather them, and place them neatly, by stacking, they make really nice and warm and cozy huts. Kinda like a igloo, 'cept it's probably called a pooploo.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
I believe Mr. Bundy may still be a better man than most of those of the opposing view who only claim to have a clue and a Cause.
I believe Mr. Bundy may still be a better man than most of those of the opposing view who only claim to have a clue and a Cause.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
They ot ta put him in charge of HUD! Then them thare negras he cares so much about will have a nice place ta live fer free!
A corse we know they'd be much happier as slaves tho!...
Yeeee-Fuggun-Haaaaw
Whell lookie thare ... thet Bundee feller dun give them thare feds sum free housin' as whell as free ferterlizer.
They ot ta put him in charge of HUD! Then them thare negras he cares so much about will have a nice place ta live fer free!
A corse we know they'd be much happier as slaves tho!...
Yeeee-Fuggun-Haaaaw
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
Brown igloo, :lamo
Brown igloo, :lamo
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
You have a really tough time understanding how to argue your case. Over and over and over again, you make a HILARIOUS attempt at logic when you say that Bundy's comments couldn't be racist because they were "words of concern." Then I point out that words of concern can still be incredibly racist, and you abandon ship. Excon, you should really stop copying and pasting the same argument over and over again if you can't defend it. Don't get me wrong, I think it's funny that you never even thought your argument through before making it over and over and over again, but I feel a little embarrassed for you.
Now as to your assertion that Bundy was only talking about black people on welfare. Now, he starts this diatribe with: "Where is our colored brother?"
So you're thinking that somebody literally has a colored brother? He isn't talking about all black Americans, like... like it's obvious he's talking about? He's just talking about one person?
Dude go take a vacation. You're only digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself.
You have a really tough time understanding how to argue your case. Over and over and over again, you make a HILARIOUS attempt at logic when you say that Bundy's comments couldn't be racist because they were "words of concern." Then I point out that words of concern can still be incredibly racist, and you abandon ship. Excon, you should really stop copying and pasting the same argument over and over again if you can't defend it. Don't get me wrong, I think it's funny that you never even thought your argument through before making it over and over and over again, but I feel a little embarrassed for you.
Now as to your assertion that Bundy was only talking about black people on welfare. Now, he starts this diatribe with: "Where is our colored brother?"
So you're thinking that somebody literally has a colored brother? He isn't talking about all black Americans, like... like it's obvious he's talking about? He's just talking about one person?
Dude go take a vacation. You're only digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
This morning, while having a cup of coffee, I was thinking about this thread, and then I thought, which came first, the chicken, or the egg.
Then I thought, which came first, the racist, or the racist comments (Bundy)
This morning, while having a cup of coffee, I was thinking about this thread, and then I thought, which came first, the chicken, or the egg.
Then I thought, which came first, the racist, or the racist comments (Bundy)
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
If anyone is being dishonest here, it's you.
Your logic is faulty.
If anyone is being dishonest here, it's you.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
Your comment lacks logic.
As previously shown.
He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.
To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
It is dishonest to say otherwise.
Anybody that says they were racist is wrong.
That is what you apparently do not understand.
If anybody abandoned ship, it was you when you went overboard and left your absurd words behind.
They were not even relevant to this case or even close to what he said.
He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.
To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
It is dishonest to say otherwise.
And I am not embarrassed for you making your false claims. I am saddened by it.
Yet we have folks that do not understand that, and want to take what he said out of context to say he was speaking about all.
Well they are just wrong.
He was specifically speaking of those on welfare.
Refusal to see that is willful blindness.
Your inability to discern what has been said in context, has already been noted.
And now you show that you can not even distinguish between what he says at one point, and what he says at another.
Pretty sad. :doh
All you are doing is squawking nonsense.
Wrong.
Your comment lacks logic.
As previously shown.
Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.
To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
It is dishonest to say otherwise.
Apparently it is you that keeps failing.
His words were of concern, not disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
Anybody that says they were racist is wrong.
That is what you apparently do not understand.
Wrong.
If anybody abandoned ship, it was you when you went overboard and left your absurd words behind.
They were not even relevant to this case or even close to what he said.
The words defend themselves.
Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.
To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
It is dishonest to say otherwise.
What is funny is you making false assertions and failing to support them.
And I am not embarrassed for you making your false claims. I am saddened by it.
And he was, it became clear as soon as he said "government houses" and was even more clear when he said "on government subsidy". Those were the "negros" he was speaking about in context.
Yet we have folks that do not understand that, and want to take what he said out of context to say he was speaking about all.
Well they are just wrong.
He was specifically speaking of those on welfare.
Refusal to see that is willful blindness.
:doh
Your inability to discern what has been said in context, has already been noted.
And now you show that you can not even distinguish between what he says at one point, and what he says at another.
Pretty sad. :doh
All you are doing is squawking nonsense.
You clearly are the one who has dug a hole, and I would recommend you take your vacation there.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
Look at the full quote in context and it is obvious the man was pissed off at what the government had done to black families in north Vegas. But you, and many like you are too blind to see that.
You and others like you fail to read the full quote, notice his concern and put the bit about "wondering" in context of how government assistance has been a wrecking ball. Or do you think the government has done a bang up job assisting black families?
Any time the government says they want to help, you can replace "help" with an f-bomb and you'll get the real picture.
You have been poisoned by the same evils that exist between the walls at the NYT.
Look at the full quote in context and it is obvious the man was pissed off at what the government had done to black families in north Vegas. But you, and many like you are too blind to see that.
You and others like you fail to read the full quote, notice his concern and put the bit about "wondering" in context of how government assistance has been a wrecking ball. Or do you think the government has done a bang up job assisting black families?
Any time the government says they want to help, you can replace "help" with an f-bomb and you'll get the real picture.
You have been poisoned by the same evils that exist between the walls at the NYT.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
Incorrect.
It does not.
You never showed any such thing. Repeating something does not equal evidence.
I can and will say that his words were of concern, that he unintentionally disparaged black persons with his words, and that you are completely incorrect in your claim that I am taking his words out of context.
Yes he was.
Yes he was.
Absolutely there were.
Nope. Repeating a lie such as this does not make it true.
If anyone is being dishonest here, it is you - repeatedly posting the same fallacious response to whatever I say.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
Your comment lacks logic.
His words in context, is the evidence.
Your inability to see that is your fault.
My repeating what the evidence shows is factual.
You keep taking it out of context to say otherwise.
Wrong.
You are the only one with fallacious claims.
As already shown multiple times.
In addition.
For your viewing pleasure.
Yes, you are incorrect.
Your comment lacks logic.
It most certainly does.
:lamo:lamo
His words in context, is the evidence.
Your inability to see that is your fault.
My repeating what the evidence shows is factual.
Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
And you are wrong. As already shown.
And you are wrong again, as usual.
And you are wrong again, as usual.
Absolutely they were not.
Which is why you are continuously wrong.
You keep taking it out of context to say otherwise.
:doh
Wrong.
You are the only one with fallacious claims.
As already shown multiple times.
He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.
To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
It is dishonest to say otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.
To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
It is dishonest to say otherwise.
In addition.
For your viewing pleasure.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:
It's amazing, truly amazing, that you argue with facts and decide that facts are "racist". Unbelievable. It's what makes you impossible to take seriously.
The facts that Excon posted are facts. You are trying to change facts with sociology. You can't.
It's amazing, truly amazing, that you argue with facts and decide that facts are "racist". Unbelievable. It's what makes you impossible to take seriously.
The facts that Excon posted are facts. You are trying to change facts with sociology. You can't.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:
The only ones who decide facts are racist are racists.
I'm not shocked that you don't get it. And I don't really care. If you rely on Excon, you've no hope. Spew racist crap all you want.
The only ones who decide facts are racist are racists.
I'm not shocked that you don't get it. And I don't really care. If you rely on Excon, you've no hope. Spew racist crap all you want.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:
Ah, so you're a racist then. Got it.
Ah, so you're a racist then. Got it.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:
Irony
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:
The opinions Excon posts are facts, too. According to him. He's lucky, he doesn't even have to provide valid arguments in support of his claim, because he is incapable of being wrong. That's made for some stimulating debate on this subject!
It's totally irrelevant to what you said, but a fitting end to this awful, awful thread. And since you were debating the numbers with those guys, I just want to to be aware that you shouldn't be looking at which race has the highest poverty level (or receives the most welfare). The easiest way to guess whether or not a person is poor - if they are a single mother or the child of a single mother. I've often wondered if single mothers would be better off as slaves.
The opinions Excon posts are facts, too. According to him. He's lucky, he doesn't even have to provide valid arguments in support of his claim, because he is incapable of being wrong. That's made for some stimulating debate on this subject!
It's totally irrelevant to what you said, but a fitting end to this awful, awful thread. And since you were debating the numbers with those guys, I just want to to be aware that you shouldn't be looking at which race has the highest poverty level (or receives the most welfare). The easiest way to guess whether or not a person is poor - if they are a single mother or the child of a single mother. I've often wondered if single mothers would be better off as slaves.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:
Secondly, you have yet to make a valid argument in or position or rebut the numbers (facts).
That would be because you can not.
Which is what you did in the following post.
That is you deciding facts to be racist, which according to you, makes you a racist.
This isn't about me. Or haven't you been taught yet to remain on topic and not discuss others?
Secondly, you have yet to make a valid argument in or position or rebut the numbers (facts).
That would be because you can not.
Which is what you did in the following post.
That is you deciding facts to be racist, which according to you, makes you a racist.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:
A) I wasn't aware that this was your forum
B) You clearly think that I'm somebody else. I never denied that there are a higher percentage of impoverished black people than white people. But I don't think that the color of their skin causes them to be poor. I know that you are much likely to be a poor adult if you are a born into a poor family. Like I said, single mothers and their families - as a group - are more likely to need government assistance than black people. In other words, single mothers are better off as slaves. By which I mean we should enslave them. Because when people say "better off as slaves," it doesn't mean "the government is keeping them down." If that's what I meant, I'd say "they'd be better off if welfare was abolished." So clearly, what I mean was literally "they are better off as slaves." Do you see what I did there?
And when you respond to every sentence that disagrees with you using brilliant rebuttals such as: "you are wrong. I am right and it cannot be disputed," you really, really deserve to get some grief.
A) I wasn't aware that this was your forum
B) You clearly think that I'm somebody else. I never denied that there are a higher percentage of impoverished black people than white people. But I don't think that the color of their skin causes them to be poor. I know that you are much likely to be a poor adult if you are a born into a poor family. Like I said, single mothers and their families - as a group - are more likely to need government assistance than black people. In other words, single mothers are better off as slaves. By which I mean we should enslave them. Because when people say "better off as slaves," it doesn't mean "the government is keeping them down." If that's what I meant, I'd say "they'd be better off if welfare was abolished." So clearly, what I mean was literally "they are better off as slaves." Do you see what I did there?
And when you respond to every sentence that disagrees with you using brilliant rebuttals such as: "you are wrong. I am right and it cannot be disputed," you really, really deserve to get some grief.