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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
However, his lack of knowledge led him to make statements which disparaged black persons.

Thus, unintentionally disparaging of black persons.
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And again you are wrong. You have to take his words, which are of concern, out of context to say otherwise.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
And again you are wrong. You have to take his words, which are of concern, out of context to say otherwise.
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I am not taking his words out of context.

I completely agree that he was speaking with concern.

However, his lack of knowledge led him to make statements which disparaged black persons. Thus, unintentionally disparaging, and in turn, unintentionally racist.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Objective Voice said:
Cliven Bundy was wrong no matter how hard you try to defend him.

With that, I'm done with this conversation.
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When Hanity tossed the the towel in on him it was pretty obvious the guy was wrong.

There is no need to debate it as it has been already proven.
Next chapter.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
I am not taking his words out of context.
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Yes you are.
In context, his words are of concern, not disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You claim unintentional disparagement when none exists.
To claim any such absurd thing, you first have to take his words out of context.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
Yes you are.
In context, his words are of concern, not disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You claim unintentional disparagement when none exists.
To claim any such absurd thing, you first have to take his words out of context.
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How else can I interpret things when his statements clearly display a lack of knowledge combined with faulty assumptions, specifically about black persons, which disparage them?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
How else can I interpret things when his statements clearly display a lack of knowledge combined with faulty assumptions, specifically about black persons, which disparage them?
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There was no faulty assumption in context of that which he spoke.

I would suggest that we just agree to disagree because all we are going to do is keep going around in circles like we have.
But I wont because you will just try to slip on you faulty opinion anyways.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
There was no faulty assumption in context of that which he spoke.

I would suggest that we just agree to disagree because all we are going to do is keep going around in circles like we have.
But I wont because you will just try to slip on you faulty opinion anyways.
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When he described the situation of black persons, he made several faulty assumptions and generalizations.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
When he described the situation of black persons, he made several faulty assumptions and generalizations.
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Not in context of that which he was speaking.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
Not in context of that which he was speaking.
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Perhaps you are aware (or THINK you are aware) of context beyond that which I am aware of.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
Perhaps you are aware (or THINK you are aware) of context beyond that which I am aware of.
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No, it is you who are trying to say he was unintentionally disparaging, when you have to take his words of concern out of context for that to happen.


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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
No, it is you who are trying to say he was unintentionally disparaging, when you have to take his words of concern out of context for that to happen.
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Yet I did no such thing.

His words of concern were unintentionally disparaging. I'm saying that he's concerned, but disparaging at the same time. Unintentionally.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
Yet I did no such thing.
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Yes you did.


The Mark said:
His words of concern were unintentionally disparaging.
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NO they weren't.
Words of concern which are not disparaging, are words of concern which are not disparaging.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they were disparaging.
And that is exactly what you are doing.


The Mark said:
I'm saying that he's concerned, but disparaging at the same time. Unintentionally.
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And you are wrong.



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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
*snip*
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It appears to me that our main point of disagreement is over what the context of Bundy's statements are.

I heard hims making somewhat confused statements of concern about the lot of black persons, which were unintentionally disparaging of them due to several faulty assumptions and generalizations.

You apparently only heard him making somewhat confused statements of concern about the lot of black persons.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
It appears to me that our main point of disagreement is over what the context of Bundy's statements are.

I heard hims making somewhat confused statements of concern about the lot of black persons, which were unintentionally disparaging of them due to several faulty assumptions and generalizations.

You apparently only heard him making somewhat confused statements of concern about the lot of black persons.
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And you were already shown to be wrong. Nothing he said was disparaging.
In context, it was of concern for specific segments of the US population.

You have to take the words out of context for them to be considered disparagement, which is what you are doing.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
*snip*
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One of us is applying additional context or ignoring part of the actual context.

I don't think it's me.

But, in order to determine whether I am correct in that thought, could you describe what you think Bundy said in your words.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
One of us is applying additional context or ignoring part of the actual context.

I don't think it's me.

But, in order to determine whether I am correct in that thought, could you describe what you think Bundy said in your words.
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We have already been over this for days.
You are wrong.
His words were of concern, not disparagement, hatred or intolerance.

Get over it and drive forward.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
We have already been over this for days.
You are wrong.
His words were of concern, not disparagement, hatred or intolerance.

Get over it and drive forward.
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You have only convinced yourself and a few others that I am wrong. Several other people, including myself, agree with my position.
Simply stating that I am wrong does not make it so.

I'll get over it if/when I am convinced that I am wrong, or that you are wrong.
As it stands, I think it's just a miscommunication of contexts.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
You have only convinced yourself and a few others that I am wrong. Several other people, including myself, agree with my position.
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I care not that those who are wrong like you, think you are right.

It is kind of funny that you would think that.

The Mark said:
Simply stating that I am wrong does not make it so.
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Simply stating that you are wrong after you have been shown to be, is more than sufficient to bring the point back around.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
I care not that those who are wrong like you, think you are right.

It is kind of funny that you would think that.

Simply stating that you are wrong after you have been shown to be, is more than sufficient to bring the point back around.
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You have yet to show me to be wrong, unless I missed it.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
You have yet to show me to be wrong, unless I missed it.
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Yay!

Around and around we go.


Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
Yay!

Around and around we go.


Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
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I do not.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
I do not.
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Do not?
Yes you have taken them out of context to suggest such.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
:shock:
Do not?
Yes you have taken them out of context to suggest such.
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I have not. I keep telling you, I listened to bundy speak, and have been telling you what I heard.

Concern and unintentional disparagement of black persons.

How can I be taking the video of his statements out of context? He didn't say anything immediately before or after to provide additional context.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
I have not. I keep telling you, I listened to bundy speak, and have been telling you what I heard.

Concern and unintentional disparagement of black persons.

How can I be taking the video of his statements out of context? He didn't say anything immediately before or after to provide additional context.
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And I told you that you were wrong and why.
So around and around we go.
There was no disparagement, deliberate or otherwise.

Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
And I told you that you were wrong and why.
So around and around we go.
There was no disparagement, deliberate or otherwise.

Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.
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You are wrong.

You have not shown me to be wrong.

If you claim to have done so, you are lying and/or deluding yourself.


Either that or you somehow have access to contextual data that I have not encountered.
 
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