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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Seriously?
Cliven Bundy is a vile, poisonous racist bastard. He's one of the group of humans who needs to be silenced, shunned, ostracised and completely forgotten after he dies. He and all like him, and all who support and/or agree with him, are the worst examples of humanity's most abysmal failure.
Is that clear enough for you?

You need more diversity in your avatar.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Really, Excon? You honestly believe Cliven Bundy's words about Negros (Blacks) were truly out of concern for us? Let's re-examine what he said:



If he were truly concerned, why choose slavery as a way we, Black people, can improve our upward mobility? Why not just say "...are they better off working minimum wage jobs..." or take the Newt Gingrinch approach of janitorial work instead? Hell, I'd even accept him having said "sharecropper" over "slaves". At least then I could buy into the idea that somehow Blacks stood a marginal chance of having something for themselves. But as slaves? Really? You really want (Black) people to believe he spoke out of genuine concern?

Really?

Go back and read the history of this post, he's been factually proven wrong so many times it's sad. I refuse to indulge him anymore, he's one of those who refuses to admit when he's seriously in error.

How totally unintelligent can one be to attempt to foist on intelligent people that this man was speaking out of love and respect for Black people?...it's so preposterous as to be insulting.

Then he wanted to start the "Black people on welfare" meme, that didn't work out well for him either.

Save yourself the time, don't waste it on him. Intellectual honesty escapes some.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Go back and read the history of this post, he's been factually proven wrong so many times it's sad. I refuse to indulge him anymore, he's one of those who refuses to admit when he's seriously in error.
You are the one who has been shown to be in error and proven wrong and shown to make dishonest arguments.
And would be the only reason why you wont indulge me, if that is even taking place. iLOL
:doh


How totally unintelligent can one be to attempt to foist on intelligent people that this man was speaking out of love and respect for Black people?...it's so preposterous as to be insulting.
See here is another dishonest argument by you.
I have never said out of love and respect. So you were just telling another of your untruths.


Then he wanted to start the "Black people on welfare" meme, that didn't work out well for him either.
More dishonesty from you as I started nothing. I made reply showing someone was wrong in what they said.
You then involved yourself and made ridiculously false claims, much like you are doing now. Go figure.
And then were unable to support your position, simply because it was wrong.

Try addressing the topic and not me.
 
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

You are the one who has been shown to be in error and proven wrong and shown to make dishonest arguments.
And would be the only reason why you wont indulge me, if that is even taking place. iLOL
:doh



See here is another dishonest argument by you.
I have never said out of love and respect. So you were just telling another of your untruths.


More dishonesty from you as I started nothing. I made reply showing someone was wrong in what they said.
You then involved yourself and made ridiculously false claims, much like you are doing now. Go figure.
And then were unable to support your position, simply because it was wrong.

Your issue seems to be that you want to address me and not the topic.
Very odd behavior.

Yep...so goodbye. You can stop posting to me now, I wasn't posting to you.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Yep...so goodbye. You can stop posting to me now, I wasn't posting to you.
Doesn't matter if you were posting to me or not.
Do you really not know that?
Especially as you were speaking about me.
Do you really not know that as well?
Wow! :doh
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Seriously?
Cliven Bundy is a vile, poisonous racist bastard. He's one of the group of humans who needs to be silenced, shunned, ostracised and completely forgotten after he dies. He and all like him, and all who support and/or agree with him, are the worst examples of humanity's most abysmal failure.
Is that clear enough for you?

Why not copy, paste and bold his racist comments? There is the full quote below.

The quote is not racist... so hop to it... prove your point in the simplest way possible... point out the very phrases he spouts that are racist.

Frankly, it is folks who criticize people who are not racist as being racist, and sick pricks like the NYT who quote him out of context that are on par with racists. It is an equally sick segment of society.

... and so what I've testified to you -- I was in the Watts riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen that last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people are thinking they don't have their freedoms, they didn't have these things, and they didn't have them.

We've progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don't want to go back. We sure don't want the colored people to go back to that point. We sure don't want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

Let me tell, talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro. When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids -- and there's always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

You know they didn’t get more freedom, they got less freedom -- they got less family life, and their happiness -- you could see it in their faces -- they wasn't happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips -- so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.
Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know, I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people -- and I’ve worked side by side a lot of them.

Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Read the context again, God my 4 year old nephew even understood it.

It isn't the System's fault the person is on welfare. That is personal responsibility. However, just because it isn't the System's Fault, doesn't mean the system is without faults. You are claiming I said something which I didn't.

Again, I didn't say the system had no faults, I said it wasn't the system's fault the person is on welfare.
And the faults of government in this case are egregious.

Q: How bad was the state of the welfare system in 1996?

A: There was all but universal agreement in 1996 that the nation's cash welfare program, Aid to Families with Dependent Children, was broken. It contributed to families becoming dependent on welfare and it provided cash to young people, including adolescents, who had babies outside marriage.
Interview: Welfare reform, 10 years later | Brookings Institution
Sounds like something Bundy witnessed and commented about in north Vegas. The ghetto's, a product of public housing created by government. It's not just here... The Projects and assistance in France have had the same result. Government celebrated these projects when they started, but as JFK stated... failure is an orphan... except it's not. It's the product of Socialist thinking and socialist parties.

Newt Gingrich accused the President of stalling on welfare and proclaimed that Congress could pass a welfare reform bill in as little as 90 days. Gingrich promised that the Republican Party would continue to apply political pressure to the President to approve welfare legislation.[17]
Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Clinton was dragged to welfare reform. Yes he campaigned on it, but that was slick Willy at his best. He had no intention of doing it until dragged to it after the historic 1994 Midterm Sweep and Contract with America.

10-years after signing it, he takes credit for its success... LOL.

Republican Contract with America
Furthermore, its provisions represented the view of many conservative Republicans on the issues of shrinking the size of government, promoting lower taxes and greater entrepreneurial activity, and both tort reform and welfare reform.
Contract with America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Clinton Signs Welfare Reform Bill, Angers Liberals
AllPolitics - A Sweeping Welfare Change - Aug. 22, 1996
Said Clinton: "Today, we are taking an historic chance to make welfare what it was meant to be, a second chance, not a way of life."
 
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Doesn't matter if you were posting to me or not.
Do you really not know that?
Especially as you were speaking about me.
Do you really not know that as well?
Wow! :doh

Yep, ok goodbye...sense a pattern here?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

And the faults of government in this case are egregious.

Doesn't change the fact that if a person decides to stay on welfare that is a PERSONAL CHOICE they make and is NOT the system's fault.

You cons hate personal responsibility when it doesn't suit your agenda.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Doesn't change the fact that if a person decides to stay on welfare that is a PERSONAL CHOICE they make and is NOT the system's fault.

You cons hate personal responsibility when it doesn't suit your agenda.
You tried to pivot but broke your ankle in the process. This is so ridiculously simple it really doesn't warrant an answer, but... here we go...

Conservatives are for personal responsibility, but you seem to want to ignore the obvious, that government is responsible for fomenting the ill. Welfare reform illustrated this fact, and Clinton eagerly took credit for it 10-years after its implementation.

Hell... even Leftist Brookings admits the evils created by government intrusion.

Government added massively to the problem. They bred it.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

You tried to pivot but broke your ankle in the process. This is so ridiculously simple it really doesn't warrant an answer, but... here we go...

Conservatives are for personal responsibility, but you seem to want to ignore the obvious, that government is responsible for fomenting the ill. Welfare reform illustrated this fact, and Clinton eagerly took credit for it 10-years after its implementation.

Hell... even Leftist Brookings admits the evils created by government intrusion.

Government added massively to the problem. They bred it.
Sorry Con, the ankle broke is yours.

You blame the system and not the person. You lack personal responsibility because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Pathetic attempt at that. But that is what I am used to with rabid Cons that hate anything unless it has an "R" in front of the name.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Sorry Con, the ankle broke is yours.

You blame the system and not the person. You lack personal responsibility because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Pathetic attempt at that. But that is what I am used to with rabid Cons that hate anything unless it has an "R" in front of the name.

You play ignorant and accuse a man who points out the obvious of racism. You ignore what Lib think-tanks report.You ignore Clinton's celebration.

Pathetic is your type. Government foments and enables such destruction. Of course folks like you are unwilling to accept the destruction because it destroys the perverse ideology you support.

You're fundamentally dishonest.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

You play ignorant and accuse a man who points out the obvious of racism. You ignore what Lib think-tanks report.You ignore Clinton's celebration.

Pathetic is your type. Government foments and enables such destruction. Of course folks like you are unwilling to accept the destruction because it destroys the perverse ideology you support.

You're fundamentally dishonest.

More mantrums from a con when he can't refute the fact that the person is at fault for staying on welfare.

Go whine and cry elsewhere con, you bore me now cause you can't refute what I said.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

More mantrums from a con when he can't refute the fact that the person is at fault for staying on welfare.

Go whine and cry elsewhere con, you bore me now cause you can't refute what I said.

Even Clinton and Brookings admitted to the negative effects welfare had on society.

The ignorance and denial is all yours.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Even Clinton and Brookings admitted to the negative effects welfare had on society.

The ignorance and denial is all yours.

Yet again, saying that it is a person's fault that they are on welfare for years is not saying the welfare system doesn't have it's faults.

Your dishonesty and ignorance shows again Con. Your mantrums are getting hilarious. :lamo
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

You play ignorant and accuse a man who points out the obvious of racism. You ignore what Lib think-tanks report.You ignore Clinton's celebration.

Pathetic is your type. Government foments and enables such destruction. Of course folks like you are unwilling to accept the destruction because it destroys the perverse ideology you support.

You're fundamentally dishonest.

You twist the objections made to statements that were specifically made about blacks into an attempt to defend gov't dependency on "safety net" programs. Take off the blinders and, even you, can see that what Cliven Bundy said was not a uniform condemnation of welfare and its affect on all Americans and their families - it was specifically presented as a racial (racist?) issue implying that it affects blacks differently.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Yet again, saying that it is a person's fault that they are on welfare for years is not saying the welfare system doesn't have it's faults.

Your dishonesty and ignorance shows again Con. Your mantrums are getting hilarious. :lamo

You're right...The welfare system allows it...By who's design is that?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Even Clinton and Brookings admitted to the negative effects welfare had on society.

The ignorance and denial is all yours.

That (bolded above) is true, yet they did not say on only, or even mostly, blacks in society. That is the entire point of contention - Cliven Bundy sees a racial component to welfare that simply does not exist.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

You're right...The welfare system allows it...By who's design is that?

There isn't just ONE person or ONE side's design. Its the combined fault and mismanagement by our reps (both Dem and GOP) for letting the situation decline.

Welfare needs reform, yet the right is more concerned about abortion and keeping gays from marrying, while the left is more concerned about SSM being legal and gun laws than welfare reform.

Then you have the very large chunk of people in the U.S. that don't give a **** about ANYTHING as long as "Dancing with the Stars" is on and they can watch their porn on the internet.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

That (bolded above) is true, yet they did not say on only, or even mostly, blacks in society. That is the entire point of contention - Cliven Bundy sees a racial component to welfare that simply does not exist.
He is taking about Watts, continues to say we don't want to go back... blacks or Mexicans... and says we need to fix government... then he talks about what he obviously knows and has seen in north Vegas...

It is what he has seen, and he reflects upon the damage government has done.

That isn't racist, it's coming from 1st hand experience...

That is why copying, pasting and bolding the text is important. It doesn't get sliced and diced to pervert what he says as the NYT and many Libs here have done.

... and so what I've testified to you -- I was in the Watts riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen that last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people are thinking they don't have their freedoms, they didn't have these things, and they didn't have them.

We've progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don't want to go back. We sure don't want the colored people to go back to that point. We sure don't want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

Let me tell, talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro. When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids -- and there's always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

You know they didn’t get more freedom, they got less freedom -- they got less family life, and their happiness -- you could see it in their faces -- they wasn't happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips -- so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.
Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know, I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people -- and I’ve worked side by side a lot of them.

Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

He is taking about Watts, continues to say we don't want to go back... blacks or Mexicans... and says we need to fix government... then he talks about what he obviously knows and has seen in north Vegas...

It is what he has seen, and he reflects upon the damage government has done.

That isn't racist, it's coming from 1st hand experience...

That is why copying, pasting and bolding the text is important. It doesn't get sliced and diced to pervert what he says as the NYT and many Libs here have done.

OK then here it is:

Let me tell, talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro. When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids -- and there's always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

Now explain why if that applies to all on welfare he chose to make it about negroes. ;)
 
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As you are the one who was destroyed, they are more than appropriate to laugh at your further and repeated denials.


There you go again with your ridiculously false claim of denial and illogically using it to deflect.
No one is denying that at times whites may be the majority receiving certain benefits.
It has been acknowledged and stated that whites should make up a greater number.
Yet you repeatedly ignoring that in favor of your ridiculous position. D'oh!
And frankly, whether or not you think factual information is disparaging, matters not.
It is factual.
Trying to dismiss factual information is ridiculous.

The breakdown of those numbers is what matters.


And that doesn't hold true for tanf benefits, but you wont let that stop your absurd claims.


And as the information already provided shows that blacks receive "over all welfare" in greater numbers.
As previously provided by two others, apparently on opposite sides of the coin.
Welfare Statistics | Statistic Brain
Which gives us the following numbers.

Welfare Demographics
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %




So you have nothing but snap benefits to refer to.
And then blacks receive them in far greater numbers by population than white do by their respective population.
That breakdown of numbers is what matters.

As it was calculated, those numbers for the respective black population show that roughly 26% of the black population receive benefits.
While roughly only 7% of whites do.

Do you really not understand that?
Those are the facts.
Deal with them.



iLOL
:lamo
Not by respective population. Which is what matters. And not by the over-all numbers provided from the others.

Excerpts of your other posts;

A larger percentage of the black population is on welfare when compared to the percentage of white population on welfare.
That is honest. And you don't like it.
Too bad, your dislike of facts is meaningless.
And as the information already provided shows that blacks receive "over all welfare" in greater numbers.
And then blacks receive them in far greater numbers by population than white do by their respective population.
Thanks for providing the updated information showing that by respective population, blacks make up a disproportionately higher number on welfare than whites.
Total population of the US of A 317 Million

There are 223,550,265 Whites
There are 44,456,009 Blacks
If 38.9% of whites are on welfare, that means there are 87,184,603 white welfare recipients. 38.9% was rounded off to 39%.

If 39.9% of blacks are on welfare, that means there are 26,673,605 black welfare recipients. 39.8% was rounded off to 40%.


This means that there are 60,510,990 more whites on welfare, than blacks. Forget the percentages, think of it as numbers of individuals, the population.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

By Bundy's words in context.
I apparently heard something different in bundy's words than you did.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

OK then here it is:



Now explain why if that applies to all on welfare he chose to make it about negroes. ;)

You did not use the full quote, and that full quote sets up what follows. What is so difficult about using the full quote?

Won't respond until it is there in full.

Cheers.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

You need more diversity in your avatar.

I and the guy beside me are Scottish by descent but the guy in the background is from a German family. At that time, in that place, that counted as diversity.
 
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